Are Democrats ducking from Obamacare?

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  • Whatever Springville, UT
    March 30, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    Every year my company pays more money for less healthcare coverage because of insurance companies raising their rates. They have NEVER once given us a break on cost. So now Obamacare kicks in and we are all somehow surprised that costs are going up? They always go up anyway! This is somehow news??

    You fox parroting tea partiers have no shame. You all spout off about charity but then in your urge to be on the team against the president essentially say that all poor people without coverage should have no other recourse but to die.

    You know, its no surprise that people in Utah hate the president that's old news, we get it, but you know your bunch of obstructionists in congress have offered absolutely nothing to fix the health care issue... They don't have a plan, they have never have had a plan to fix that, or anything else for that matter. So just sit there and parrot what your fake news masters tell you and just hope that you don't ever get really sick and find out what insurance in this country is really like. It's real noble work you're doing.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 29, 2013 10:18 p.m.


    I actually have to agree with you on this one. A single payer systems would be better than what this million page train wreck called 'Obamacare' has turned out to be. It's driving up insurance rates and putting people out of work. Not exactly what was promised by Barack. Recall he told us all we would be paying on the average 2500 less per year each and the total cost would only be 800 billion. Well we are probably closer to paying 2500 MORE per year and the new CBO cost estimates are 2.8 trillion with a T! I honestly don't know if America could afford a single payer system like some of the small European countries have - but it appears we are headed in that direction regardless so we just have to hope we don't end up like most of Europe is today with their entitlement nightmare.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    March 28, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Dems should just legistlate away high prices.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 28, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Will someone please define affordable.

    Obama said affordable insurance is what he'll bring to everyone, plus cutting the deficit in half.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 28, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    thank you for admitting BO is deceitful. I think that's the main reason he won re-election.

    Thank you for not trying to refute that Obamacare is a lie.

    Thank you for not trying to refute that Obamacare is failing.

    So if the election and the SCOTUS telling us we can be taxed for not eating brocolli (another Dred Scott decision) means that we WANT socialized medicine, why doesn't BO have harry introduce it in the senate?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 28, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    lost in DC - I guess you were on vacation during the Supreme Court decision last year and then there was an election, sometime in November, in which that deceitful president was re-elected and his oppostion in the Congress had their numbers significantly decreased. You should have been there. It was breathtaking!

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    March 28, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    For all you people who think Obamacare is going to work for all, I can tell you from actual family experience that there are procedures being denied old people now that were not denied only a couple of years ago. Death panels anyone? Socialized medicine is medicore medicine, and not for all at that. That is real life folks, not political philosophy. But you can just bet that the rich Democrats who foisted this mess on us will have their concierge doctors for their needs, and won't be denied any medical care they want. Amazing to think that Democrats have made people believe they care about people more than Repbulicans do. The big lie!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 28, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    thank you for being upfront and recognizing this is just a lie to push us to a socialized system. But I disagree with you about the desirability of a socialized system. Since BO and the dems could not foist such a system on us, and the dems were soundly routed in 2010 because of Obamacare, it appears the majority of the citizenry also oppose such a system.

    I see you could not answer ANY of the headlines indicating Obamacare is a failure and a lie.

    By failing to do so, you admit Obamacare IS a failure. Thanks

    BTW, I do not watch Fox and I have other sources than the DN. But if you think the DN is so unreliable, what are YOU doing here?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 28, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    Raising premiums? Obama? Why didn't you keep your promise?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 27, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    Obamacare is a fraud, sold with lies and based on lies, or at least total ignorance or willful disregard of the facts of how health care is actually delivered and paid for.

    Repeal it now. Every last word, every last tax, fee, mandate or provision. Everything!

    Obamacare has taken more money out of the pockets of patients, employers and providers, and provided exactly ZERO new doctors, nurses or hospitals, or steamlined any bureaucracy. He has institutionalized every bad feature, and made everything worse.

    If you though health care was expensive then, just compare the cost and services provided to now when it is "free!"

    Repeal Obamacare immediately!

  • SajuaroSteve Tucson, AZ
    March 27, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Lost in watch too, much Fox News and only read Desert News. Republicans are driving around in circles with each other. Get out and talk with your fellow citizens and educate yourself. You too can learn!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    Obamacare has a waiver in it that lets states bail out of Obamacare as long as they design their own plan that covers at least as many people and is no more expensive than Obamacare. So far only Vermont has gone this route. I don't see Utah working on a solution so I guess they either don't have one, or frankly don't give a darn about healthcare for the poor and those with preexisting conditions.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    Obamacare is successful?

    then why are dems ducking it?

    why is it still unpopular?

    Why do the headlines read, "Millions face sticker shock of health exchanges", "Obama's health care law to raise claims cost by 32%", "Obamacare insurance plans may be expensive", "insurance premiums may rise for 80% of Americans under age 30", and "millions left uninsured by gap in Obamacare"?

    Those types of headlines do not indicate a successful program.

    But then I guess if you get a sliver in your finger and you cut it your arm off, you can say you were successful in preventing any infection from your finger from spreading. That's a pretty pathetic definition of success!

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 27, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    lost in DC 12:26 - Wow. You must know the DN monitor. If I use that many capital letters I get totally censored! =)

    But seriously, I'm going to be totally upfront with you. As much as I defend the president on the issue of the ACA, I would like nothing more than for it to fail and have us turn to a single payer national healthcare plan. Every industrialized nation in the world, except us, has that type of plan and they do it for less money and in many cases, maybe most, the healthcare they offer is better. Oh sure, I might have to wait a week to have a hip replaced instead of having it done this afternoon but it works better than ours and for less money. That's because they have discovered that the health of our their citizens should be provided without a profit motive involved. As I've said before, healthcare as a for profit business is immoral. That doesn't mean doctors and other healthcare professionals shouldn't be well compensated but the people that make the most money in our system are insurance company executives. For doing what?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    We need a single payer system (MEDICARE FOR ALL!), but the insurance and health care industries had to retain their respective pieces of the action, so we ended up with Obamacare, so-called. Flawed as it is, I don't want to go back to thke old days when insurers could deny access, cut off benefits and condemn people to death.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 27, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    In my career in business I have seen my share of plans for accomplishing something. None was ever perfect. Unintended consequences were common. Those plans that became successful were those that were supported and allowed to evolve over time.

    However, even the best of plans were no match for a lack of support. Everyone agreed afterwards that they knew all along that the plan would fail. On the other hand there were unimpressive plans that were highly supported that were very successful. We all knew that they would be.

    If your intent is to stonewall the Affordable Care Act at every turn, you're right. It will likely fail. Should you support it and do what you can to make it successful, it will be. Over time it will evolve into something we can be proud of.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    When obamacare fails. They'll need to find a group of people or someone to blame. Let's dig through the democrat arsenal of Talking Points of Blame: "ATMS" "Tsunmai" "Old white people" "Republicans" "Bush" "Fox News" "Not big enough" "Tea Party" "Assault Rifles" "High capacity clips" "Sugar" "Racists cops" "Clinging to guns and religion" "Not enough welfare" "Congress".....hmmmm or maybe they'll go back to obama's "gutsy" call that no one else would have made to go after osama (it's not related, but, it's the only positive thing that has happened).

  • SajuaroSteve Tucson, AZ
    March 27, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    What scares living daylights out of repubs is ObamaCare is sucessful., people get coverage, and pre existing conditions are history. All their anti-american winning will be exposed. Thank you President Obama for your leadership on this issue.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    March 27, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Can't blame this one on Bush! Look at the rats run for cover!! And they really can't figure out why the unemployment rate isn't coming down much, even though the rest of the economy is getting "so much better". Go figure?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 27, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    why would they "duck" away from Obamacare? It's popular - right???

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    Yes. Just like the cowards they are. Although bo is a little smarter than the average democrat. He quickly blames anyone else that he can possibly pass it off to.

    Now they're claiming obummercare is a failure because it isn't big enough and they were thwarted at every step.

    Really? When you control the majority of Congress the majority of the Senate and control the office of President in the White House. And you can push your agenda through without a single Republican vote. It is all yours dependentcrats. All of the glory and all of the blame that goes along with your march in step to your liberal drummer.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 27, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Lobbyists OWN the healthcare delivery system.

    The only way the American consumer will ever not be at the bottom of the "pecking order" in terms of dollars spent wisely on healthcare is if the lobbyists are shut out of the process totally!

    Pick 4 Repubs, and 4 Demos. along with 5 DRs. (notice 13 people - no tie votes)put them in a room and tell them to improve the healthcare delivery apparatus. No lobbyists allowed.

    All we're doing up to now is taking money from the "left pocket" instead of the "right pocket" in terms of funding/payments to the medical profession and health insurance companies.

  • happy2bhere LAYTON, UT
    March 27, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    No matter how much some of you may believe that the Republicans are more to blame, just remember, it is Obamas health plan, passed in Congress with arm twisting and only Democrat votes. If there had been some sort of bi-partisanship when passing the biggest, most expensive government legislation in history, then maybe you could criticize the Republicans. But they were left out and told to go pound sand when it passed. It is a totally "partisan" program. That whole operation to get it passed by Reid and Pelosi was hardly "working together".

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Any thoughtful person should have read and understood a complex law affecting 1/6 of our economy before they passed it.

    Too bad your subservience to the DNC and MSNBC does not allow you to see that the repubs DID offer alternatives, but they were ignored or relegated to the back of the bus.

    BO never wanted this to work; he and the dems WANT it to fail so we will run gladly into socialized medicine with all the ills and shortcomings associated therewith.

    Regardless of whether or not premiums would still be rising without the law, BO LIED!!! He said costs would go down. And the reason for rate of increases slowing was BO’S POOR ECONOMY, not the effects of this bad law. The contention that they would have increased anyway comes from federal regulators, WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN SEEING Obamacare SUCCEED!!!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    March 27, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Just wait until people sell their homes and get 3% of the sales price deducted from their check. This 3% is part of how the Democrats expect to help pay for this rammed-down-our throats law. I will guarantee that 90% of the citizen's are not aware of this tax. They will scream and rant, but where were they when Congress was asleep at the wheel when passing this bill. Did they write a single letter to their congressional representative stating their opposition to this tax or this bill. Doubt it.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    March 27, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    They all gave themselves exemptions from the Obamacare law. This news is 3 years old. Why are you only reporting it now?

  • Blacksunshine Taylorsville, UT
    March 27, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    I haven't had health insurance for me or my family now for 10 years. Anything is better than nothing. I have' always thought, people that don't like United Health Insurance....must have health insurance. Reform has to happen....The fact that the two parties can't work together in order to reform anything in a way that will benefit humanity is gross, and has been the pattern. Revise it and put it on his desk, but has anything happened? Nope. Doesn't even make it to the mans desk. It's a joke.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 27, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    In his effort to tell the truth to his readers, Mr. Schulzke should take time to present more than the information that will support his previously established premise. Of all publications, the conservative National Review even quoted a NYT article that included this paragraph:

    "The double-digit requests in some states are being made despite evidence that overall health care costs appear to have slowed in recent years, increasing in the single digits annually as many people put off treatment because of the weak economy. PricewaterhouseCoopers estimates that costs may increase just 7.5 percent next year, well below the rate increases being sought by some insurers. But the companies counter that medical costs for some policy holders are rising much faster than the average, suggesting they are in a sicker population. Federal regulators contend that premiums would be higher still without the law, which also sets limits on profits and administrative costs and provides for rebates if insurers exceed those limits."

    That last sentence is the most telling - "...premiums would be higher still without the law...". Yes preiums have raised and will raise but not because of the ACA. Journalism 101 - tell the whole story.

  • Anne26 West Jordan, UT
    March 27, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    The company my sister has worked for for the past 15 years, has decided that under ObamaCare, they can no longer afford to provide health insurance for their employees. They have decided that paying the penalty would end up being a much cheaper option for them. They have left hundreds of employees and their families without any form of healthcare coverage.

    I am beginning to believe that Obama never cared whether Americans had health coverage or not. He created a system wherein the government would actually benefit from employers discontinuing coverage. You fail to buy health insurance for your employees? Then the government collects money from your company by way of a penalty. It is a win/win for them. Obama can look like a hero, while collecting new revenue (tax) for his pet programs. It sickens me.

    What we need is actual reform, which this is not. People, open your eyes.

  • NK84 layton, UT
    March 27, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    I agree with Ajax that there needs to be a healthcare reform. But in my humble opinion this isn't the way to go about it. Anyone who has ever worked in the medical field knows that the insurance companies have all the power. And now, we are going to pay them more money in premiums? How does that seem fair for all of us who currently have medical insurance. I have no problem helping people out who need it, but not when it is going to make someone else rich because of it.

    How about we crack down on insurance companies and hold them to do what they say that they are going to do? Help pay for the medical expenses of people who pay them every month? I think that would be a start in healthcare reform.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    March 27, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    One, two, three say it: "Ohh Bummer!" Better still, let's call it ObamaDare!

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    March 27, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Of course they are. Today, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius acknowledged that Obamacare is raising premiums. We all knew this was going to happen when the bill was passed, but the Democrats put their heads in the sand and voted to approve the bill anyway. Nancy Pelosi famously said, "we need to pass the bill to see what is in the bill". They didn't even read the bill before voting on it. This was legislating at its worst. When you get your bill this month, or your employer begins to take more from your paycheck this month to cover health, thank the Democrats!

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 27, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Any thoughtful person should recognize that we are desperately in need of health care reform. So I find comments like, "Republicans have been aggressively jumping on any sign of weakness in the new (affordable care) law" very disappointing. If there are problems why not join in and work together to achieve a responsible solution. I'm always troubled by how politically motivated, self-serving and plainly destructive the Republican response has become. Don't they have any feelings or sincere ideas of what might actually be in the best interests of we Americans? The usual Republican refrain of, "Well, our motivations may not always be the best but the Democrats are far worse" is wearing a bit thin.

  • happy2bhere LAYTON, UT
    March 27, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    They probably will be by next election.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    March 27, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    I can't predict the future. I have said before in posts here that we cannot afford this law. Affordable Care Act--what a bunch of bologna. I hope that things will change, but we just cannot afford this law. It may seriously hurt the economy of this country and put business' in a position where they stop offering health insurance. The company that I work for right now is considering stopping their health insurance coverage for employees. So if this is the case with my company what is the point of Obamacare to just get everyone on the government exchanges? I'm not happy with this so perhaps I need to try to do more within my sphere of influence. As I have said before we CANNOT afford the Affordable Care Act. It is a sick joke meant to destroy us and give too much power to the government.