Christy BSalt Lake City, Utahno conference championships of usIt's unfortunate that fellow hill dwellers have become so arrogant
and condescending, yet so thin-skinned and petty, that we're incapable of
admitting when we're wrong. The explanations Duckhunter has presented are
candid and straightforward. Please stop with the silly denials.________Yeah! Duckhunter was candid and straight forward without
facts. And you are backing that up! Please stop with the silly denials. I'm
really tired of the self proclaimed experts around here.And
what's with the cut & paste posting? Can't come up with anything
no conference championships of usIt's unfortunate that fellow
hill dwellers have become so arrogant and condescending, yet so thin-skinned and
petty, that we're incapable of admitting when we're wrong. The
explanations Duckhunter has presented are candid and straightforward. Please
stop with the silly denials.BYU made the right choice sticking with
Nike and we're just trying to save face by pretending that we're
please with our UnderwearArmor duds.
Recently I read an article about the NCAA Tournament where 16 schools were
referenced as Tier 1 Elite, with uniforms made by Nike. Will have to remember
and post the link.Its unfortunate that fellow BYU fans like Duck
have to be so condescending. Does not make comments look good or contributing at
all. I give credit to those that correct themselves. You have yet to show anyone
here to admit when you are wrong. I don't expect fellow BYU fans to act
above others. Please stop.I would prefer that BYU be different and
move away from Nike anyway.
Nightowl,I find it very interesting that you slam Duck for not backing up
his assertions, and yet you do nothing to back up your own except to say
"look it up". Well, I did look it up. I found articles that Baylor and
OSU were moved up to tier 1. I found nothing of your claim about UConn womens
bball. What I did find out is that Nike is very quiet on the subject and
releases very little information, if any.
DuckhunterWhen the kids on the hill get their feelings hurt, they
respond with 2B-like hyperbole.Nike is in the business of
"exposing" its brand, nothing more. Nike's choice to invest in any
particular school is a direct reflection of the "value" in terms of
exposure that school will bring to Nike.
@nightowlIt isn't something you can "look up" if so
please post an explanation with quotes. The tier are based on dollars given, is
your assertion really that a womens basketball program gets enough money from
Nike to make it a tier 1 sponsored school? You realize these schools are getting
10's of millions of dollars from Nike don't you? Do you really think
Uconn's womens basketball is sponsored by Nike to the tune of 10's of
millions of dollars?LOL!I wasn't trying to be
provocative by the way, I was simply posting some knowledge here, but I
shouldn't be surprised some utah "fans" like yourself got your
feelings hurt over it. But the facts are the facts, the tiers are based on
dollars given, nothing more, and that is based on the exposure Nike feels they
receive for giving that money to those schools. Uconns womens basketball
doesn't quite add up to say Michigan or Texas for exposure. Nice try
though, now head on back to hurt feelings city.
Ducky....LOL! You don't fool anybody.I'm good friends with
Dr. Hill, Tom Holmoe, Bronco, Kyle, Gary Anderson, KOC, Ty Corbin, Brian
Johnson, Paul Millsap, Robert Anae, Greg Miller and Enes Kanter. I'll ask
them how this stuff works and update everybody after. Actually I
already know BYU gets about 5.6 Billion from Nike and Utah gets 20 bucks and a
jaw breaker from under armour. But to confirm I'll run it by all my good
friends and post it.
If BYU is making more money than USU, I want a break on my 10 percent I pay
every month so I can help out my Aggies.
Duckhunter said"Of the schools you listed only 3 are tier 1 Nike
schools, Oklahoma, Ohio St. and Texas, none of the others are tier 1 and most
aren't even tier 2. And Oklahoma and Texas didn't just get
"upgraded" to anything, they have been tier 1 all along. And
it is just football schools that are tier 1 and tier 2 for that matter. The
tiers are set by the amount of dollars given to the school in sponsorship money
and equipment. There is no need to give large amounts of gear to schools like
Gonzaga and Georgetown that don't even play football.It is
quite obvious you don't know what you are talking about here.
Sorry."Wrong! It's quite obvious you quoted my previous
post incorrectly. Baylor and Oregon State were just upgraded to tier 1 status.
Look it up yourself. The fact remains that there are tier 1 non football
schools. Nike considers Gonzaga a "top tier, elite school." UConn is
tier 1 school due to women's bball. And you like to exaggerate and mislead.
Duckhunter"It is quite obvious you don't know what you are
talking about here. Sorry."As usual!
@nightowlOf the schools you listed only 3 are tier 1 Nike schools,
Oklahoma, Ohio St. and Texas, none of the others are tier 1 and most aren't
even tier 2. And Oklahoma and Texas didn't just get "upgraded" to
anything, they have been tier 1 all along. And it is just football
schools that are tier 1 and tier 2 for that matter. The tiers are set by the
amount of dollars given to the school in sponsorship money and equipment. There
is no need to give large amounts of gear to schools like Gonzaga and Georgetown
that don't even play football.It is quite obvious you
don't know what you are talking about here. Sorry.
ScandrusThe annual exodus from the train wreck on the hill has
already started - they no longer care about round ball under the crimson bubble.
@UteJunky70, BYU has a ton 10 recruiting class in basketball coming in next
year. How is the BBall program on the hill doing?
I would like to see more companies compete with Nike on the uniform level. They
are in everything.Duckhunter there are way more than 7-8 tier one
schools. Baylor and Oregon State were just upgraded to that status.Texas,
Duke, UConn, Gonzaga, USC, Oregon, Michigan St., Georgetown, N. Carolina, UK,
Syracuse, Oklahoma, Auburn, Ohio St.,... and more. It's not just football,
there are non-football tier one as well.
Nike is all about seeing the swoosh when it matters. Bowl games and post season
tournaments matter. BYU delivers on both fronts.
To those that have failed miserably at reading comprehension: 1.
Where in the article does it state the value of apparel contracts for any of the
schools? Where does it mention this value is related to apparel sales?2. Where in the article does it state that BYU's recruiting success is
only limited to football? BYU is more than a football school with hundreds of
student athletes. NIKE outfits all of their nationally ranked teams (Volleyball,
Women's Soccer, Xcountry, Track and Field, Football, (5 of past 7 years),
etc...) as well as high profile athletes like Jimmer who was splashed everywhere
with Nike gear. Nike has also enjoyed the benefit of seeing their SWOOSH on 40%
of all MWC championship teams and athletes when BYU was in the league winning
those league championships.I look forward to some interesting
DuckhunterThanks for your explanation of the tiered-system and
sponsored apparel versus fan gear.Christy is going to be so
disappointed to learn that her fantasy is BYU's reality.
UteJunky70"The Nike contract has been a factor in BYU's
recruiting success. What recruiting success?"They've
successfully (and continually) out 2-star recruited their big brother on the
Hill. Smashing success!
@Wiscougarfan"The first four posts on an article about "Utah
schools" (BYU, USU, and Utah) are all from anti-BYU trolls."Yeah, and every comment since the first four are all from anti-Utah trolls.
The only conclusion we can draw from this is the anti-BYU trolls type faster
than the anti-Utah trolls.And the reasons people talk about BYU are
the same reasons they talk about a bad car accident they saw on the way home.
@ FelizO yeah, well my dad could beat up your dad!
continued from aboveAfter submitting what they want Nike then
supplies them with it, this is a yearly budget. For instance BYU baseball got
all of its uniforms, gloves, baseballs, bats, and whatever else they wanted
completely paid for by Nike, they just ordered it out of the catalog.It is the same with all of the sports BYU sponsors. They are each given a
budget, which is a percentage of the overall sponsorship dollars Nike gives to
BYU, and they "buy" what they want with it.Now this is
different than apparel and fan gear, those are not "sponsored" items,
this is purely about sponsor dollars. Everyone that has fan gear and apparel has
a deal worked out as to how much they get for each item of clothing sold, etc.
But that is a seperate issue from direct sponsorship dollars.I would
be very surprised if either utah or usu's sponsorship deals are worth more
than BYU's considering BYU status as a tier 2 Nike school, that's
fairly elite status actually. Under Armor admits they can't match Nike. I'm sure utah switched to under armor because they were a low tier
school for Nike.
Actually christina is probably wrong but it looks like we are going to find out
over the next few days as these articles are posted. But I can tell you how
BYU's Nike contract works.One of my good friends was a baseball
coach at BYU until last year. Part of his responsibilities were uniforms and
equipment. He told me how it works.Nike has a tiered system for the
schools it sponsors and BYU is a 2nd tier school. There are only about 7-8 top
tier schools, then there are maybe 10-15 2nd tier schools and all the rest fall
below that. The top tier schools obviously get the most money/equipment etc. but
the 2nd tier schools all get more than anything a school with another apparel
dealer gets IN SPONSORSHIP dollars. I do not know the value of BYU
total sponsorship but for baseball they got a couple of hundred thousand. The
coaches get their budget from Nike then they get catalogs of all Nike's
gear, uniforms and apparel. They go through the catalog and pick what they want
then submit it to Nike.Continued
Well my dad is better than all of yours!
@Two For FlinchingI don't know the numbers on how much either
school makes so I'm not going to pretend like I do but your logic is flawed
until we know what agreements each school has in place. Every school does not
get the same percentage of revenue from merchandise sold. As was mentioned
above, the President of Nike Brand is a USU graduate and former Aggie Football
player. It's been mentioned quite a bit that he helped USU a ton with the
rebranding and part of that help might have been in giving USU better revenue
off of their merchandise than what most schools get.
Ahbye"Actually Mr. B., I can verify for a fact that you do NOT
make more money on apparel."_________Yet you DIDN'T
verify it. Please take a minute to do so, then we'll be happy to take your
@ AhbyeUSU does not sell more apparel than the U, which means you
don't make more money on apparel.
The first four posts on an article about "Utah schools" (BYU, USU, and
Utah) are all from anti-BYU trolls. It's unfortunate that little brother
cannot move on, but nice to know that BYU is the only school worth
talking/writing about. Go Cougs!
Christy BIt wasn't just your "lame UnderwearArmor" that
kept U out of a bowl game.
Actually Mr. B., I can verify for a fact that you do NOT make more money on
apparel. Being that the President of Nike, Charlie Denson, graduated from Utah
State, we're doing just fine, thank you. Your underweararmour contract is
a joke in comparison.
Sadly, our lame UnderwearArmor kept us out of a bowl game last season.
"I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess Utah makes the most money
from apparel sponships of any team in Utah."Chris,You are
right about one thing....you are guessing. Show some verifiable stats before you
go popping off about something that may or may not be true.By the
way, talking to recruits last week, they all agreed on one thing. Nike has a
better product line in selection and quality.
With each Bleacher Report article that the Des News does it just kills their
credibility. I guess they don't really care though.
@UteJunky,Well said! After losing the recruiting battle this year
to Utah(again) as well as powerhouses like a 1-11 Kansas team and Kentucky, can
you imagine what byu's recruiting would have been WITHOUT these apparel
contracts that supposedly help?LOLYes, byu lost the
recruiting battle to Utah and a 1-11 BCS Kansas team.LOL
Isn't Nike a liberal brand? I don't like my school being associated
The Nike contract has been a factor in BYU's recruiting success. What
recruiting success? I say again. What recruiting success?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess Utah makes the most money from
apparel sponships of any team in Utah.Just another reason I love my
BCS pac 12 membership. Go Utes!