I believe in the second amendment. I was raised in a home with a father and
brothers who hunted and continue to take care of their guns responsibly. That
being said, anger and guns are a deadly combination. Police officers are trained
for these kind of situations, and vigilante justice is never appropriate.
Calling 911 and giving himself time to cool down and think more clearly would
have been the right and legal thing to do, since the girls were not in immediate
danger. It is so easy to let our emotions get the best of us, especially
concerning our children. This is why people unemotionally involved and far
better trained with firearms must be allowed to do their jobs.
If you want to protect your daughter, you do not bring her along as you confront
the suspect. This was about a vigilante acting out his own drama, high on a
gun-induced rage state. If he had not been allowed to have a gun, this would
never have happened. Support gun control!
If he hadn't stopped this scumbag a liberal judge would have had him back
on the streets in a few months and he would have been stalking MORE girls.This man did what he should have done, rendered JUSTICE.
This man is a HERO! If the scumbag had gone after my daughter he would have
died SLOWLY and PAINFULLY!
Thing is, before he shot anybody, he had seen that all the young ladies had made
it home. If I understood the article correctly, the only girl out was his own
daughter, I must assume to help him find the guy in his vehicle while Daddy
drove. That's how I read it. There was no reason, since no girls were in
danger, why this dad couldn't have simply called the cops on his cellphone
and reported his whereabouts. He could have also reported the information on his
vehicle from his home, or done both, whatever the police preferred. It's a
shame this had to happen. And as to the presence of guns, did both men have a
carry permit? In the real old west, anyone coming into town had to leave their
weapons at the Sheriff's office--of course, they couldn't keep dead
bodies cold very well in those days...something to think on...
I forget why this guy thought leaving the house with his gun was a better option
then calling the police???
Can we really trust the Utah Attorney General's Office?
@ CWEB: How did the father know the man was a sexual predator? Oh, wait -
that's right - he didn't.The father knew nothing about the
men who were following his daughter and her friends. And with this complete
lack of knowledge, he put a loaded gun in the car - with his daughter, whom he
was soooo desperate to protect, and went looking for the vehicle his daughter
said had been following her. When he excited his car, he took the loaded gun
with him.Regardless of which story you buy, he had his gun with him
when he got out of his car after cutting the other vehicle off and forcing it to
stop.He knew nothing about the men in the vehicle, or why they were
following the girls, and he got out of his car with a gun.Nothing
that had happened up to that point that evening justified his behavior.
Campos shouldn't have let his temper get the best of him and he was wrong
for taking his gun out but I don't believe the problem would have been
solved by calling the police either. Serbeck would probably still be roaming
around with his gun under the guise of neighborhood watch and terrorizing
people. The cops would have told Campos the girls were acting suspicious and it
was a misunderstanding. We had an incident where a man followed my husband into
our neighborhood because of road rage and threatened his life. My husband had
done nothing wrong and we called the police as we watched him stalk up and down
in front of our house raging and punching his fist into his hand. The man spoke
to police first and lied and my husband was threatened with charges. He had done
nothing wrong and was depending on police to solve the problem and not take
things into his own hands. My husband has a completely clean record. I reminded
the police officer we had called and did not engage the man but she just smirked
at me. Nothing was done.
Most truthful and patriotic:Call me sentimental, mushy, whatever. I
still have to hope that I can find the good and the blessings in whatever
circumstance I find myself due to the unexpected paths I may be (and have
been)thrown into. Can't imagine going through life with a bitter attitude
about the hand one is dealt. I would like to give Mrs. Campos the benefit of the
doubt, that as she has chosen to make lemonade out of lemons so far, she will
continue to do so. She sets a good example. I wish only the best for her and
AS the father of a son who was molested, I'm on the side of the
Father...Sexual Predator with a gun? Why? He got out with a gun? How aimlessly we excuse the poor sexual predator...and jail the Dad...lovely.
Just lovely.Praying for the family and the man...holy ghost or not.
Okay, let me point out something. The guy who got shot, Serback, if he had shot
Campos and killed him or injured him he would have got off on a self defense
charge. Campos chased him down, cut him off and forced him to stop, and then got
out of his vehicle with a gun. Serback would have very much been within the law
to "let him have it."Something else, Campos did all this
with his daughter in his vehicle. Really? What was he thinking there? The dude
is worried enough that a situation might get violent that he has a gun, yet he
still confronts Serback with his daughter in the vehicle?Another
thing, there was someone else in Serback's vehicle. Right? I imagine he
also testified in court. And he would have had a front row seat, as it were.
I am interested in this story for one reason, I can see myself doing something
similar if a creep had been chasing my daughter. I don't believe for a
minute this man grabbed his gun to go enact vigilante justice. He grabbed the
gun because he knew that chasing down criminals was dangerous and he might need
to protect himself, which he did. This guy doesn't belong in jail. We all
know the police are stretched thin sometimes and calling them might have solved
nothing. I have chased vandals out of my yard with my gun before. This could
easily have been me. Sad this family is ruined because a good Dad went with his
heart. This other guy was a sexual stalker and predator, a scum. I hope this
dad gets set free...and fast.
Schutzengel: First, he did not even attack these girls - he was only following
them after they were in his neighborhood - so to say he had attacked or would
attack anyone else is a false accusation. Then you say: "And
when would the other girls have ever been able to come forward, if this man
hadn't been put in a place where he could not HURT THEM anymore."When did he actually hurt them? I did not read anywhere where he
actually "hurt them." Where is the testimony of what happened from the
other male person he had with them? I didn't read what he said. And Mr.
Campos knew none of this man's history prior to shooting him!This is a case where most of you, without having been at the trial, are taking
into account a person's history and then convicting that person for
something he didn't do, at least to these girls!
Folks, Serbeck was not alone in his car.He was not following
Campos' daughter -- he was following a GROUP of girls, in an area where
there had been burglaries.Those girls were later found in a car matching
the description of the suspect car.That car drove to the Campos
home.Whatever Serbeck is guilty of, is not connected to the night
where Campos shot him.
Our prayers are with you and your family! A mistake was made, yes,
but in defense of his daughter. It wasn't an excuse to use a gun, or to
stir up trouble.(Honestly, why would a father with a family to care for want to
find an EXCUSE to shoot someone?) Yes, he should have stayed home and called the
cops. But he didn't, that's not what happened. So he got some time.
But attempted murder? Don't be ridiculous.Serbeck had only been
in the neighborhood a little while; who's to say he wouldn't have
attacked more young girls here? And when would the other girls have ever been
able to come forward, if this man hadn't been put in a place where he could
not HURT THEM anymore. THIS is why Mrs. Campos feels it was "meant to
be." Because even at the sacrifice of having her husband gone from her for a
few years, Serbeck was caught in his run.But as I said. A few years.
We hope the trial this morning was a just and fair trial.
Yahoos with guns. Nothing good will ever happen.
JJJHS--I don't know that you and I see eye-to-eye on everything, but I
think you are spot on with this one. It was a mistake of the highest order to
get his gun, leave the house, and go looking for this guy. I am a gun owner,
with two daughters, and am not insensitive to his feelings. But, his emotions
got the better of him (and, unfortunately, his family). He should have just
called 911. There was no immediate danger to his family when he left his home.
The judge in this case was right when he said Campos couldn't use a
BleedsBlue --The wife may feel differently, when her husband gets out of
prison.I know a woman who stuck with her husband while he was in
prison, but after he got out, found that he couldn't get a job to support
the family. She still has to carry all the household expenses, is still paying
off attorneys fees ... and now believes that she wasted 15 years of her life.She's 65 now, and can't even retire. She'd lose her
home, which she had to mortgage to pay off attorneys.
This was not a "mistake" as Mrs Campos claims.Her husband's
actions resulted from a series of purposeful actions.None of this
would have happened, if he had just called the police when his daughter reported
being "followed".But in Utah's gun-happy culture, the armed
need to find a reason to use their guns.Please, save us from the
vigilantes....and I hope Mrs Campos finds peace while her husband is in
prison.She should be thinking about past incidents in their lives, and
deciding whether this is a marriage she wants to maintain -- because she's
the loser in all of it.
"This is a perfect example of what happens when everybod is
carrying."Tens of thousands of Utah's citizens have conceal
carry permits and own firearms. Four years ago one of them guns down another
and you conclude that is what happens when everybody has a weapon. Thousands of
gun owners and thousands of hours of neighborhood watch hours without incident
and one isolated tragedy four years ago makes you think vigilante justice is
replacing the rule of law. Did you miss the part where both men are in prison?
Now that is what I call a serious lack of perspective.
Not wanting to pass judgement on the circumstances of this case, I do want to
say that I have to admire the attitude of the wife in being able to choose not
to stay in an attitude of bitterness and depression and to be able to see the
good that has come out of an extremely difficult situation. I hope I could do
"He then grabbed his gun and his daughter to went back out to search for the
vehicle that had been following them." A very, very unfortunate story across
the board. But this statement says is all for me. Nothing would have happened
that night if Dad had simply called police to inform them of the situation. Dad
had his daughter home safe and sound. Tuck her into bed and go to bed yourself.
As citizens we simply can't take the law into our own hands in such a
situation. Let the cops take care of this. So, self-defense or attempted murder,
this should have never risen to such a level.
You can't shoot a person who has a history of DUI for being at someones
home with alcohol in it. You can't punish someone because they may at some
point commit a crime. He is not innocent of shooting someone. The
only question is whether he was justified in shooting. What if a sex offender
moves onto a block. Does a neighbor have the right to shoot them because they
sit in the front yard when their kid walked past on the way to a friends
house?The wife doesn't have to feel remorse. Just the husband.
Another great argument for gun control. Two machos in the night. What a perfect
combination for trouble.
I know people who know both parties in this situation. They believe Campos not
the other guy. Their feelings about this stituation were validated by the sex
crime conviction.Me personally? The truth is somewhere in the
middle. The dude should be out of prison soon, but they most likely won't
let him out because he isn't showing any remorse. That is how the board of
pardons works. No remorse, no parole. Doesn't matter if you are guilty or
The vigilante mentality is going to wreck a lot more lives. One of the most
alarming ironies I live with in this community is being surrounded by people who
go to Church on Sunday but worship guns the rest of the week. Folks, we have a
police force. If there's a problem, call them and let it go from there.
Hard to judge as none of us were there. Would like to hear the 16 year olds
side of the story. She was there. I think most agree he should have
called police and stayed home. If we are honest most of us dads would want to go
find the person following our daughters. Stupid but true. In this case it
turned out bad. If there were no guns then there might have been a fight. And
that would have proved little at best too. Personally I see fault on both sides
as I think was shared in the article. Sounds like we have a good guy who lost
his temper and better jugement deal with a preditor who was out looking for
victims (or no good) who also had a gun. Why was he on the streets chasing girls
with a gun? A bad guy out looking for bad guys? Come on. So what
was the proper sentance here? There is some liability for the Dad but I see
more to the story on the other guy especially now that we have more of his
story. Bottom line it is as ad story. Hope it has a happy ending.
I really do feel bad for the family, but this guy belongs in prison. You
can't chase after someone, cut them off and force them to stop, and then
shoot them. How is that self defense? Even the judge said the claim was
pathetic. This whole piece was really strange. I understand feeling
sympathy for the family, and their strength in the church. But don't try to
make it sound like the guy got a raw deal.
doingmybest needs to understand that her three-hour drive is at full speed,
65-75 mph. The cost of gas for that drive is a big burden for someone working
part-time (see article), regardless of how much love is involved.
Sounds like the police were jealous that Campos was doing their job for them.
It's hard to judge a guy when it's your daughter that is the one being
followed. Yea, he should have called the police but we all know that would have
gone nowhere and there would have been more girls targeted and maybe one of them
The first thought that came to me was , this guy needs some anger management
real bad. He wouldn't be in jail if he had used control and common sense.
The sexual predator got out of his car with a gun. If the dad would not of
stopped him - what was his intentions? He waa stalking girls and was committed
enough to chase them in his truck and get out of his car and flash his gun. This
started the self defense dynamics. He was probably shocked that a male got out
with a gun also and then it is "He said - He said" claim. The Sexual
predator sounds like he was trying to find girls to molest/rape and then it is
validated in 2012 with the charges being brought against thie perp that landed
him in prison. Under age girls were molested. The dad probably wished he would
of called police, but this sexual perp was brazen enough to stay in the area and
keep chasing under age neighborhood girls. I know I would of defended my
neighborhood. I definitely believe the fathers story and logic more than the
sexual perps and would of defended my neighbors daughters as much as my own
children. We all just can not stay in our houses while bad things are happening
around our neighborhoods.
I think this man had the best of intentions, but he used bad judgment in what he
did. I'm glad the real bad guy was convicted, but Compos should have just
called the police that night. I believe he probably told the truth about what
happened at the scene, but it would have been better if he had just avoided the
confrontation and called the police.
NeilTThe only problem is, the court got involved.We need more of
this type of thing, to start sending a message to the purps.
I don't presume to know all of the circumstances in this situation, but
visiting him only once a month when you only have to drive three hours? Sounds
like there are other reasons you're not visiting the man you love every
week...I drive three hours to work (one way)some days!
It is relevant that he made a choice to take a gun to go search out a threat to
his daughter,but it is also relevant that the man later proven to be a sexual
predator also had a gun. And if he had left it up to the police to find the man
following the girls, what would they have charged the predator with?
There's something to be said for prompt action. If nothing happened that
day, the liklihood that a few girls would have been victimized seems pretty
high, doesn't it? If my mail had been stolen and my garage burglarized,
I'd be doubly alert to threats specifically against my family, too. Why do
we think that a bad guy has to bust into our homes before we do anything about
it? The predator had made the threat clear by following the girls. I don't
argue that once he'd identified the man's vehicle that he should have
called the police and the story doesn't mention how many times he fired,
but I think the verdict of attempted murder is probably too harsh.
As I recall, he could have received a lighter sentence had he apologized but
instead he demanded (..by the power of the Holy Ghost) to have the judge set him
free. Sorry man, that is not how the Holy Ghost works. If we could link
articles here I would.I support responsible gun ownership. I
support neighborhood watch programs. I support the right of a homeowner to do
whatever is necessary to neutralized a threat inside a home. I do not support
hopping in your car to chase a guy down when your daughter is already in the
house. If he had come in the house chasing your daughter then by all means
"Let him have it".Last thing I would do if I were his wife
is to bring attention to myself or my family after a mistake like this. If life
is good for them great, but somehow this story comes across as missing the point
of being preventable. What of the guy shot was shot had been arrested that
night for stalking? The charges in the other case may have still come forward.
Beats sitting in jail with murderers and rapists, that's for sure.
This is a perfect example of what happens when everybod is carrying. Guns and
out of oontrol emotions are not a good combination. I am not anti-gun. Just
concerned that we as a society are moving towards vigilante justice instead of
rule of law.
The point isn't his life changed in an instant. It's that her life and
the life of her kids changed in an instant.
It will be interesting to see John Swallow's Attorney General Prosecutorial
process in this case of he said and they said type of thing. However, gun
ownership doesn't mean you can be a vigilante group when cell phones and
911 are only one tap away. If a gun was in a locked box in the bedroom, it
doesn't take forethought to get it out and use it and that is the concern
for some that are fearful of gun owners taking the law into their own hands.
Neighborhood watch doesn't mean that you are an authorized
deputy of the law authority for the area. I had an employee who was a reserve
officer in a sheriff's department and authorized to carry a weapon when
on-duty. However, when he showed up at work with a weapon he was authorized to
have as a deputy on-duty, he was not authorized to have it at his place of
employment for me. It was against the law for that and he was let go for that
action as it was against the law, since he had other violations of having a
weapon and threatening with it.
The whole dream home thing is lame.The CPA went postal.
A crime is never meant to be. Should of called police. Meant to be I think is
justification for a crime.
Excessive presence of guns and the accompanying attitude. No good comes from it.
My goodness, what a devastating turn of events, all because one person let his
emotions get control over him for just a moment. You would think that somebody
smart enough to be a CPA would be wise enough to call police rather than pull a
gun. This is what most people would have done and certainly the wise thing to
do. But being smart and being wise are all too often independent. My heart goes
out to this family. While it is good to try to find some good in situations like
this, the only reason it happened is because of very, very bad judgement. Guns
and bad judgment are a devastating combination.
An unfortunate situation brought on by the understandable impulses of a father
wanting to protect his daughter.But storming out of the house with a
gun to go on a vigilante chase across the neighborhood when your daughter is
already safe with you at home...What other kind of result do you expect? Someone
shot. Someone jailed. A morally muddied situation where family members are left
searching scriptures for some kind of meaning behind it all. There was no
likely positive outcome from Campos's decision, and no defense for it. What
he did was inexcusable.
My heart aches for you, and I do understand how you feel. My husband was
convicted of a crime he did not commit, but we could not prove he had not done
what our granddaughter accused him of doing. He spent 6 months in jail, on
probation for 5 years, and is now on the sex offenders' registry for 10
years. While he was in jail, I lost my job, and it took about 6 weeks before I
found another one. He has been through a High Council court, and they found him
not guilty, which was a blessing. Doesn't help the legal problems, but it
validated what we already knew to be true. I do know about the depression and
frustration, and even anger that you feel. But I paid my tithing, attended the
temple and church meetings, and we survived. However, it will be a life sentence
for him, and for our family, in many ways. And this experience changed our lives
in so many ways. We learned to never take each other for granted, and never miss
a chance to say "I love you." Best wishes to you and your
family, and God bless.
I've never been charged (or guilty) of anything criminal. However, even in
small claims court for me, and in accusations of others in school matters, etc,
I have seen enough times when "the law" is not a matter of
"justice", but more a matter of "legal zeal". The article is
written certainly to favor the Campos side of things. With that said, however, I
would, if I were making the decision at his hearing, likely give him, and what
happened to Mr Campos in court, the benefit of the doubt. (Not just because his
wife is LDS, but mostly because his version of the story, especially given his
accuser's apparent other misdeeds, to me, tells me Campos' version is
more likely to be the truth. The way that prosecutors prosecute, and the way
stories are conveyed via the media, often, IMO, convey to most viewers to
believe that what people are accused of is so. I've come to appreciate that
VERY MANY of the stories in all media are often distorted at best, and
completely misleading and wrong at worse. Judges can and do do many things
wrong, and juries can and do often enough misjudge.
"It is appalling how crime victims are being persecuted and
prosecuted."He left his home to look for a man and cut his car
off and got out with gun pointed. That is not a lawful act. Had he called
police and sat in his home, he would be a free man today instead of a convicted
criminal. He is lucky the other guy didn't die or else he would be in jail
even longer. Also, if the other guy had died, he would not have been prosecuted
for crime against a minor.I appreciate that the family is trying to
be resilient but I am not going to excuse criminal behavior.If the
guy had chased your daughter into your home then by all means use whatever force
necessary but that is not what happened.
If he is innocent and this was destined tohappen, this implies her husband
had badkarma he needed to deal with.That is the other half of
what she is saying.
Prayers are with you and your family. You display such an incredible strength. I
hope that your husband finds mercy in the court. It is appalling how crime
victims are being persecuted and prosecuted.
WHile it is nice they are experiencing some good thing, the mistake by her
husband was to leave his own home and pursue when he should have called the
police. Would she be saying the same thing if the family had completely come
off the rails?I'd rather not be in jail and be there for my
family then let them flap in the wind hoping things turn out ok.