Utah Compact gets little love from Utah County GOP committee

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  • LisaMShepherd Provo, UT
    March 28, 2013 1:17 a.m.

    This question wasn't a matter of IF the members thought we shouldn't be compassionate, it seemed that the members agreed by a super majority that unifying behind a "partisan" statement to be inserted into our Platform is exactly the purpose of adopting a Platform. I believe the closing argument shared by Senator Margaret Dayton was the key to help undecided members. The debate point she stated was that a Partisan Party's Platform is no place for a bi-partisan statement.

    The Compact states it is a "guide to begin the discussion on immigration". The UCRP Platform is a statement that is far beyond beginning a discussion. A Platform is and should remain a firm declaration of Republican values and principles.

  • LisaMShepherd Provo, UT
    March 28, 2013 1:05 a.m.

    The Compact states that it is a "guide to begin the discussion on immigration". The UCRP Platform is a statement that is far beyond beginning a discussion. A Platform is and should remain a firm declaration of Republican values and principles. We expect our elected officials to work toward enacting laws consistent with our Party's Platform.

    The last sentence of our Platform reads: "All Republican elected officials, candidate and party officers are expected to endorse these principles and agree to be held accountable to the people and to the party."

    In 2011, the Utah County and State delegates passed resolutions in support of the County, State and National Immigration Platform planks because the legislature departed from our Platform.

  • kberry Tooele, UT
    March 26, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    Does the Utah Compact stand for an American citizen to illegally enter and live in another country, refuse to take personal responsibility to learn and speak the native language, and to respect and honor local laws?

    Illegal immigration is wrong ... it is not something that should just be discouraged but the law should be honored and enforced. The law often is not enforced because politicians are more worried about their popularity than in serving the public!!!

  • LisaMShepherd Provo, UT
    March 25, 2013 8:07 p.m.

    Clear and Reasoned,
    At at time when the nation is fighting over immigration, it is ultimately important that Utah County UNIFIES and that the Central Committee did. It is very difficult to obtain a 2/3rds majority. I'm very proud of our committee for choosing to UNIFY.

    I hope this helps to understand what really happened to this proposal. It had a fair normal path in being presented at the first chance after being processed and then voted upon. Now it's time to UNIFY.

    I'm sorry you were misinformed.

    Most sincerely,

    Lisa M Shepherd
    UCRP Constitution & Bylaws Committee Chair

  • LisaMShepherd Provo, UT
    March 25, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    Clear and Reasoned, I'm sorry you have been misinformed about the process followed to bring the proposals to the Central Committee for a vote.

    The Compact proposal was submitted in December. The first opportunity for it's presentation was March 23, 2013 as the CCC agenda for February 2, 2013 didn't allow for any C&B or Platform business since the Executive Committee previously set a date of March 23 for the C&B business to be considered.

    Knowing that we had two polarizing documents between the current language (which remains if the delegates don't ratify P106 by a simple majority vote) and that of the Utah Compact and those who submitted the Compact proposal didn't want to edit language, I asked the Platform Sub-Committee to come up with a proposal that would blend the sentiment of the Compact and the current language that could be acceptable to provide a UNIFYING statement from the Utah County Republican Party. This task was accomplished by many who favored the original language. It's important that we be a Party of unifying instead of continuing the fight against each other.

  • Wm. VanderWerff Draper, Utah
    March 25, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    When ever I see all of our so called leaders come together and endorse a document like the Utah-Compact, I can't help being suspicious of their, self promoting, motives. The Utah-Compact has no standing in law, is full of high sounding fluff, and fails to suggest solutions. Our founders were not so vague. They were precise and to the point. Their arguments and declarations took positions that jeopardized their lives and fortunes. More importantly the were meaningful and fruitful.

    A sovereign nation's most defining aspect is citizenship and border definition. The failure on the part of our leadership to uphold both values is criminal and traitorous. That said, we are where we are. The remedies taken should not punish the children for the sins of their parents. Deporting those, who have lived their formative years here, brought here by law breaking parents, is a violation of common sense and righteous principles; however, any path to citizenship for the children should include rigorous indoctrination of our constitutional principals and the history of it's founding. The parents should not be given citizenship but should have probationary visas without recourse to full citizenship or the right to vote.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    March 25, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    the criminal elements of the latino communities hide behind those who are here to work and have a legitimate desire to participate in our communities and society as a whole. it's time to take away their hiding place, and provide legal means for illegals who are serious about contributing to society, so that we can clean up the illegals who aren't.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 25, 2013 4:42 a.m.

    anti-liar, it's about time America's silent majority spoke up. That was a well reasoned post.

    Start enforcing the laws and stop trying to flood the labor market. The Compact is nothing but a marketing ploy.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 24, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Thank you. Very well put.

  • so-what Hurricane, UT
    March 24, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    I am extremely worried about the "HARD-CORE" criminal element imbedded among the millions of illegal aliens who will obtain amnesty.

    Everyone, seems to be "assuming" that amnesty will be granted to "hard-working, decent, law-abidng, etc." illegal aliens. This assumption is TOTAL BS!

    The Mexican drug cartels need their imbedded criminals to "work" in the USA in order to launder money, smuggle drugs and people, and infiltrate and corrupt our political and economic systems.

    As far as I can tell, our Stupid, ignorant, or "paid-off" politicians are crafting laws that do NOT take into account the illegal aliens deeply involved with Mexican drug Cartels and Latino criminals in the USA (street and prison gangs, for example).

    And, please, don't give me that BS that our politicians are going to design-in "safeguards" to prevent illegal alien criminals from getting amnesty. My dear readers, This category of illegal alien will most likely make it "in" because he/she is well connected to money and power via the drug cartels' funds. These nefarious criminals will easily pay our greedy and complicit immigration lawyers to "fix" things expeditiously so that they look like potentially great future American.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 24, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    It sort of sounds similar to the GOP State Convention with he said and she said type of process, such as the Chris Stewart process. What really happened may never be known, again. This appears to be a Chicago type of political process but with the power players out of the circuit.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 24, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    "I was personally disgusted by the booing..."

    Many of us are personally disgusted by the lies and manipulation which surround the immigration debate.

    Among these is the Utah Compact itself.

    - It cunningly erases any distinction between legal and illegal immigration, in order to subtly convey a message that there is no legal nor moral difference between the two. It implies that both should be celebrated and embraced.

    -- It hijacks and co-opts the terms "compassion," "caring," "welcoming, "reasonableness," and "humanity" and perverts these to mean "looking the other way at illegal immigration."

    -- It gives lip service to the rule of law. It real purpose is to undermine the rule of law.

    -- It deceitfully implies that illegal aliens do not commit crime. In fact, illegal entry and visa fraud are crimes. The typical illegal alien embarks upon a veritable career of dishonesty and felony crime (fraud, perjury, etc.) once in the nation's interior.

    -- It subtly implies that anyone who opposes illegal immigration is "uncivil" and "unreasonable."

    -- It puts law-abiding Americans on trial, instead of holding illegal aliens accountable.

    -- It subtly suggests that the praise of the world is more important than law and order and doing what is right.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    March 24, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    "I highly resent us having to have this discussion. It is a result of failed federal policies," said Sen. M. Dayton.

    And I highly resent the GOP extreme's unwillingness to work with moderates to get something accomplished - and that they get re-elected every time for what they say, not what they do.

  • provo.res Provo, UT
    March 24, 2013 12:47 a.m.

    Congress is going to pass immigration reform, and probably this year. And about time too. It looks like Utah County Republicans are out of step judging by the report in the article about what they did put in their platform. Where did they get that language anyway? Phew.

  • Rod Mann Highland, UT
    March 23, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    I too am disappointed with the lack of balance in the article. By a nearly 2 to 1 margin 250+ people on the Utah County GOP Central Committee rejected the proposal to include the Utah Compact in its platform. Was it because they are not compassionate, caring people, or because the don't like immigrants or are racists?

    As a member I listened to the arguments on both during the meeting and read numerous pro/con emails before. The pro compact side arguments tended to follow two lines of reasoning. 1) The Compact is an inspired document that provides a framework for law makers to create a compassionate solution to immigration and 2) it must be good because it has the approval so many including President Obama, the NY Times editorial board, multiple churches, business organizations ... . The argument to me were not substantive.

    The oppositions arguments were that while the sentiment behind the document may be good the document itself is vague and has a lot of internal inconsistencies and therefore is not suited to provide a standard against which that actions of elected Republican officials can be compared. Specific examples were cited to illustrate these points.

  • loveacoralreef Highland, UT
    March 23, 2013 10:56 p.m.

    Booing only happened once, when someone tried to use the LDS Church as a weapon during debate. Bringing the LDS church into it was totally out of line. The Compact adoption proposal should have been defended based on its merits not on who was backing it.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    None of the 4 main Utah immigration bills signed in 2011 followed the 1st principle of the Utah Compact.

    Contrary to Mr. Shurtleff's public comments, it wasn't a key in what was passed. Member of the legislature in 2011 and 2012 received hundreds of emails saying to vote for something that followed the Utah Compact, apparently encouraged by both the Salt Lake Chamber and also the Sutherland Institute.

    Since there were no bills that followed the first principle of the Utah Compact, nor could there be at a state level, It only made me wish the document was never created.

    The local Catholic Bishop didn't come to the signing of the 4 immigration bills in 2011 because, as he stated, they didn't follow the Utah Compact.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    March 23, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    Bramble,and Lockhart are both pro illegal, pro cheap labor. They have no compassion for American workers.

    It's time those willing to destroy this country with cheap labor and lack of enforcement be cast out. The future of the country they would leave us would not be the America that hangs by a thread today.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    March 23, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    And, for the record, the only "booing" I remember was when Val Hale (a vice president at UVU) inserted the church into his argument for P105.

    While the LDS Church expressed support for the principles in the compact, it did not endorse the compact itself. Neither did it request that the party incorporate the compact into its platform.

    Misusing the church as a political bludgeon is usually not well received. Anyone who has looked into the church's statement regarding the compact knows the difference between the church's statement and a full endorsement.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    March 23, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    The Central Committee is made up mostly of precinct chairs and vice chairs who are elected by the grassroots caucus attendees. They were the ones opposing the Utah Compact language in our platform. The party "hierarchy" was arguing for a "bipartisan" party platform. That doesn't even make sense. Sorry provo.res, but the grassroots at this meeting were conservatives, and the party power-brokers ("hierarchy") were the moderates.

  • provo.res Provo, UT
    March 23, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    I wonder if you got 250 registered Republicans off the street, what the vote would have been. Bet it would be completely different. "Grassroots" Republicans outside the party hierarchy are much more moderate.

  • truth to be Told Orem, UT
    March 23, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    I'm personally disgusted with the elitist party insiders (Bramharts = establishment) and their little minions wanting to control every single Republican meeting. Their money and influence only works in political circles where they can buy votes. Those tactics don't work at grassroots or delegate level.

    The Bramharts bragged for months about how voters, at the last caucus meeting, had elected a very moderate group of uninformed delegates and how they would be able to get those delegates to pass moderate agendas. Well the whole strategy backfired on them; these delegates did their homework and did not go along with the Bramharts moderate agenda.

    The people of Utah County have now rejected the Bramharts amnesty two times in a row. First they voted to repeal HB116 (2011) and now the Trojan Horse-like Utah Compact.

    This establishment team is out of touch with the people of Utah County. The people of Utah are welcoming and accepting of immigrants from every race or culture. The only thing they ask from immigrants is to do it legally and following the rule of law.

    I surely hope the Bramharts learned their lesson, time will tell.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    March 23, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    Clear and Reasoned (and too ashamed to use a real name?):

    "Members of the Constitution and Bylaws Committee blocked the Compact from the day it was presented"

    Simply not true. It came through the committee. Today is evidence of that. It was even moved ahead of many other proposals submitted before it. Today, we didn't get to many of them, because it was even placed ahead of them on the Central Committee meeting agenda.

    The Central Committee clearly felt that the compromise was superior to the Utah Compact language--because it is.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    March 23, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Hmm. Only quotes from the losing side? How about some balance, DNew? How about pointing out how these supposed party and community leaders are out of touch with the grassroots of the party? Where are the quotes from the authors or supporters of the P106 compromise?

    The Bramharts fought P106 all the way. Now they are almost getting credit for it passing???

    As one of the four creators of P106, I can definitely state that we got no help from the Bramble/Lockhart clan, and that they were not open, in any way, to any modifications to the Utah Compact language to make it more compatible with format of the platform, to make it not conflict with other parts of the platform and especially not to modifying the content to be more Republican-oriented.

    The grassroots effort to oppose P105 and instead, strengthen our platform with P106 is what should be celebrated here--not out-of-touch party power-brokers. :)

  • Clear and Reasoned Provo, UT
    March 23, 2013 7:34 p.m.

    I was personally disgusted by the booing when those for the Compact tried to present their arguments and opinions. Members of the Constitution and Bylaws Committee blocked the Compact from the day it was presented. Giving months for their own members to draft the "Compromise". This was not a fair fight. The Republican Party has a long way to go when there are only 3 Hispanic delegates in attendance and so much controlling going on from within committees.