Feds put clamp on land for oil shale projects

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  • Bill Vernal, UT
    March 26, 2013 10:12 p.m.

    Put up or shut up might be the call made by reasonable and responsible people. Is 678,000 acres for oil shale research and 132,000 acres for tar sands not enough for an industry that has not produced or proven anything in over a 100 years of trying?

    Uintah County Commissioner McKee might be right in that energy rich communities are doing the best, but his point is lost on me in light of the fact that the Uintah Basin has never produced any marketable energy from tar sands or oil shale.

    Prove to us that the technology is there to extract these unconventional energy sources before we lease or risk more Public Land.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 23, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Ethanol is a red herring. It takes 1.2 gallons of gasoline/diesel to produce and distribute 1 gallon of ethanol. Yes, ethanol actually increases our consumption of fossil fuels.

    So why do we insist on continuing this ethanol madness? Because as the first presidential caucus, Iowa is a politically-important state.

  • Moabmom Moab, UT
    March 23, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    @aceroinox is correct in his statements. The other "unintended consequence" of using ethanol is the sky-rocketing price of groceries. We are not only making our transportation less efficient by mixing ethanol with the gasoline, we are wasting a major component if our food supply, corn.

  • goodnight-goodluck S.L.C., UT
    March 23, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    The real tragedy is the fact that someone thought it a good idea to put one of the filthy strip mines into a pristine wild are like the book cliffs.

  • SME Bountiful, UT
    March 23, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    @One Old Man per the figures used in the article, the land now available is 678,000 acres, the land previously available 2 million acres. 678,000/2 million = 33.9%, sothe area off limits is almost twice as much as the area availabe. How do you come up with your "6 times greater" number?

  • DistantThunder Vincentown, NJ
    March 22, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    Economic destruction through leftist political fanaticism.

  • Corn Dog New York, NY
    March 22, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    @Most Truthful

    Ethanol also increase NOx emissions by 5-10%, adding to our inversion problems.

    @The Real Maverick

    We import 4 times as much crude oil as we export as gasoline.Crude oil is still our largest import Most of our gasoline exports go to Canada and Mexico, two of our largest suppliers of crude.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    March 22, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    You need to do your research, Most Truthful and Patriotic. I first learned about the problems created by ethanol gas when the fuel lines on my snow blower and brand new string trimmer disintegrated. I asked the repair shop how a fuel line could disintegrate in 9 months. They asked if I was using ethanol gas in the trimmer, and told me it dries out any plastic or rubber parts, tubes, seals, gaskets, etc. with which it comes in contact. If you ask any small engine repair shop, they will tell you that the majority of the repair and maintenance they do is a result of ethanol gasoline. My shop also told me the practice we've all developed of emptying gas from our lawn mowers, trimmers, snowblowers, etc. when they will sit unused for awhile (or the alternative of adding Stabil), is unnecessary with pure gas. Ethanol creates the instability.

    E10 gasoline (10% ethanol) has less energy per gallon that pure gasoline. As a result you don't get the same gas mileage, and more gasoline is used to cover the same distance, a minor detail we don't hear about. My mileage increased 5 mpg when I went to pure gas.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Sage Grouse? Are you kidding. Those suckers are all over the state. I see them everywhere in the when I'm in the boonies. They are like rats. We are giving up energy independence for a few birds. The Sage Grouse don't care. They will do fine anyway.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Remember that it was under the Bush administration that ethanol production came into being. Now it's firmly enough entrenched that if Obama even whispered anything about cutting it, there'd be one heck of an explosion.

    Remember, too, that tar sands is still untried technology and terribly, terribly destructive. This decision may be a good first step to opening the door to develop technology that will work to extract this oil without as much destruction and water consumption.

    It's really the GOPbots who are unable to recognize that they have been taken in by some pretty wild propaganda. It's possible that this will turn out to be a good thing, but only if we approach it carefully and with wisdom.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 22, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    Remember, as repubs cry about the high prices of gas that our #1 export is gas.

    We will in just a few years out produce Saudi Arabia in oil production. Yet... Where is all this fuel going? Certainly it isn't staying here! Perhaps no amount of oil produced here will be good enough as long as repubs allow the fuel to be sold anywhere.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    March 22, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    DN Subscriber: What maintenance problems has ethanol caused for you?

    We've put 163,000, 96,000 and 184,000 on our present vehicles -- and had NO maintenance issues.
    also know no one who has.

    You missed the entire point, that six times the area has been made available. But continue the screed. Fewer listen.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 22, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Remember, as you see gas prices continue to climb that the Obama administration refuses to allow full expansion to recover oil reserves in the U.S.

    And, at the same time they foolishly mandate that we convert our food to ethanol for use in gasoline, which drives up fuel costs, and creates maintenance problems for our vehicles.

    Thank you Obama-bots.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 22, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Now stand by for the screaming from the Anti-environment greed department. Even though the land available for tar sand development is six times greater than what is off limits.