Both sides hitting Herbert on 'constitutional carry' gun law

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  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 22, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    The veto of the Constitutional Carry law is a good one. Nowhere do I see more gun control. It keeps the law intact as far as the qualifications for packing concealed. I agree with Beckstead. There is more than just knowing how to shoot. It's when to shoot. One has to be familiar with the ramifications of a decision to use deadly force.

    The lack of training for many individuals will result in use of a fire arm as the first decision instead of the last. Some people will be pulling guns out at traffic accidents when they get ticked off. People will be pulling them out during arguements, or at least showing they have one. Many people, while not prohibited by the law, shouldn't be allowed to pack because they don't have the common sense that God gave a gnat.

    Packing a gun is a heavy burden. The responsibility should not be taken lightly.

    Case in point. I have a friend that likes to brag that he's packing. He has a CWP. He wants everyone to know that he has a gun. He's one of those people who have no common sense.

  • Mighty Mouse Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Regardless of your view on this issue, if you were under the mistaken impression that our Governor has an actual backbone sit back and watch him weasel his way out of this jam by just letting the bill become law without his signature.

  • Rick2009 MESA, AZ
    March 19, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    I have to say that the negative response is usual and expected for citizens of a state that are willing to throw their freedoms away. Most people who have had guns in the US are responsible people. Yes there are a few nuts out there but as you slowly erode our/your freedoms they won't come back easily.

    Good luck Utah as you slip away.......

  • Well.ok Lehi, UT
    March 19, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Rock on- you may be sane and intelligent, but there are many out there who aren't or more likely who are just ignorant. A course is needed for these people to keep themselves and the rest of us safe. I'm a sane and intelligent person who also happens to be an excellent driver, however I would never recommend not requiring drivers ed for new driers.

  • rashunal utah, UT
    March 19, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Article is typical liberal news narrowing, complete with disparaging labels. "Oh Gee, the bad guys could carry and the police couldn't do anything about it" Wake up people - they are already now carrying, it's just that you aren't. Another case of punishing the law abiding for the crimes of the wicked. It would be nice to once in a while read news not filtered through a moonbat's filterer.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    This bill is a message to the world that Utah is a dangerous place where lots of people walk around armed to kill. guns for hunting okay. Guns to send a political message by emotional frustrated persons is trouble.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 19, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    What the detractors fail to recognize is that the only difference between this and the open carry laws already on the books is that a person can now conceal the weapon.

    Open carry laws already allow a person to have a gun on them without a permit, as long as the gun does not have a bullet chambered.

    To "JoeBlow" if your ilk's desire to control guns is to stop the mass killings, why is it that in countries that have extreamly strict gun laws they still experience mass killings? Worldwide, doesn't it show that gun restrictions and mass murders are not related?

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 19, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber

    "This bill (HB 76) does nothing to increase the risk to law abiding citizens."

    Except it does increase your risk of being accidentally shot by another law abiding citizen.

    The bill says anyone can carry an unloaded firearm - I get that. But without proper firearms training, how confident are you that these untrained individuals will actually keep their guns unloaded? I can see it now: An innocent bystander is killed because a soccer mom dropped her "unloaded" weapon when fishing through her purse for her keys and it accidentally discharged. "I could have sworn it wasn't loaded", she tearfully tells police.

    More guns = more gun accidents.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 19, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    " pay the now exorbitant price for a firearm, then the doubled price for ammunition"

    That is what one of the strongest lobby groups will get you. The NRA and those who fund them have convinced many that Obama wants to confiscate guns, so, price goes up.

    The NRA plan has worked to perfection.

    Mountainman, Why have fully automatic weapons not been used in any of these mass shootings lately?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 19, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Demanding more gun control laws because you believe that the criminals have too many guns, is like having yourself neutered because you believe the neighbors have too many kids.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 19, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    This bill (HB 76) does nothing to increase the risk to law abiding citizens.

    Failing to sign will only continue to make it easy for criminals to prey on honest Utahns.

    Since the mere presence of a legally possessed firearm is sufficient to stop criminal acts about 90% of the time with no shots fired, the "lack of training" excuse should be ignored. Especially when it is made by instructors who may be more concerned about losing business than any real safety concerns.

    Besides, Vermont has had more permissive "permitless carry" of loaded self defense guns forever, Alaska for 10 yeas, Arizona for 3 years and Wyoming for 2 years with no problems. Predictions that similar laws in Utah would result in wild shootouts are hypothetical hysteria that should be ignored as desperate excuses from people who oppose self defense anyway.
    Sign the bill

  • MiddleRight Orem, UT
    March 18, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    This law stops short of laws in the other states that have these laws. They allow you to carry a loaded weapon, this one doesn't. Those states have not had the problems they the detractors are predicting why would Utah?

    Why must someone who wants to protect their family pay the now exorbitant price for a firearm, then the doubled price for ammunition, then pay even again for the "privilege" to carry it? Only the rich in this country have rights anymore. This from the very politicians that that complain the rich should pay their fair share?

    I got training growing up. I later got more training at my CFP (concealed Firearm Permit) course also, which I am sure helped, but it didn't give me all I needed or wanted to know, so I studied on my own. I am not Unique.

    Why must the Government need to register us in order to allow us our rights? That is what a CFP does.

    Then again, maybe we should mandate even more training so those who can't pay "certain instructors" for the classes and permits will go back to their Hamlets and just behave like good little Serfs.

  • BYR Woods Cross, UT
    March 18, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    As a gun owner, I am against this bill. As the article noted, too many people will not know the law and that concerns me. If that could be remedied, then I would be in favor of the bill.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    March 18, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    I don't need anyone to teach me how to shoot a gun properly.

    I'm a sane, intelligent citizen. Leave me alone.

    I can take care of myself, will protect my family and don't need your intrusion into my affairs. Go away. Support this bill and return liberty to people.

    Eliminate government intrusion and nanny-state politics.