Dust settles on legislative session but Utah land war continues

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  • Swiss Price, Utah
    March 21, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    Whoever follows Obama will have to sell of the Public Domain to just keep up on the interest on the federal debt. At least then the States and Counties in the eleven western colonise will be able to start taxing the lands.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 18, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    What's not clear in the article is ownership the lands in question. Utah can't legally sieze Federally owned lands anymore than a Utah land owner can seize a piece of land omned by his neighbor. And there's a certain hypocrisy in any state asserting land use domain while asserting its entitlement to receive Federal dollars.

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    March 18, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Interesting story for those US citizens who vacation in Utah. The story mentions a "trio of Sheriffs" but fails to give even one specific detail about the areas they work in, or what the feds might have been up to by "looking in coolers". I want the federal lands preserved for wildlife, species that are getting smaller in the west, like the Sage Grouse. Pine beetles? Mother natures way of doing business, and yes there will be fires. Fires are not bad for the forest, actually they are as natural and beneficial to the forest as snow and sunshine. Fires are bad for insurance companies with policy holdings of cabins and structures in fire zones, that is all. Fire is, and should be, part of the western forest. See you in the summer time.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 18, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    To "bobidaho" Utah will do better managing their lands because they live there. They understand the lands. The Feds will hand out uniform rules that often make things worse for Utah because the Feds don't understand the ecology of Utah.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    March 18, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    This would not even be an issue if the Feds had not behaved like bullies in handling Federal lands. Environmentalists believe that their cause is so superior to any other considerations that anything they do is justified. They have taken over the Federal government.

    If the Feds would be more fair and reasonable in their management, there wouldn't be any problems. When you push people too far, they rebel. That's what is happening in Utah.

    We need a new Administration in Washington that actually demonstrates concern for the rights of the people instead of believing its judgement is superior to everyone else and it knows what's best for us better than we do.

    We had a chance for something better in the last election. Unfortunately, we blew it.

  • BigAlAvenger Summit, UT
    March 18, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    government man, It was never intended that the Feds be all powerful. They were given a few things they had authority over and all other rights were reserved for the States. Somehow you have missed the billions of rounds and millions of firearms the DHS, SSA, IRS and numerous other federal agencies are amassing. Apparently you have not seen the FEMA prisoner camps they are building. Also you must not have seen the pictures and articles showing the massive supply of plastic burial vaults which our benevolent federal goverment has stockpiled. You who believe in the federal government deserve what you get. The rest of us should be free of "your just dues".

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 18, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    John Swallow is the big proponent of taking over the federal lands and in a different way than Governor Herbert wants to do a similar thing.

    The federal government owned the land to begin with. The state of Utah wasn't a state until 1896 and they begged the federal government to make them a state after being a territory. The state of Utah and the people of Utah didn't have a lot of money or bargaining tool in 1896 when Utah officially became a state. The State was grateful to become part of that system. In fact, federal income tax didn't start until 1913 when Utah and Arizona were already states. That was the progressive thing to do in 1913, to get federal departments to become bigger.

    The west as a whole was treated as federal lands and allotments and allocations became part of the process since the land was not managed or owned. It costs money to run and manage lands, parks, reservoirs, dams and other resources. The roads were a partner effort with a lot of federal input to get them built in the west. President Eisenhower built the freeways and that was a lot of federal dollars.

  • PTM ,
    March 18, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    'States' rights have been trampled on as federal government has confiscated state lands in order to regulate'

    'Confiscated lands', you raise an interesting point. What about the rights of the original owners of this land, what ever happened to those rights.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 18, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    The mentality of Utah against the Federal bureaucracy has grown over the fear these politicians put into people's minds. I believe the Constitution of the United States of America was a well thought out process, since it was inspired by God to the men and their families that supported the principles we have today. The States have rights and we can elect people to Represent us in Washington, D.C. The small states and large states have Representation. The Federal government has been big brother at times, but it definitely a partnership and should be an alliance for the benefit of all our country and not just portions.

    Utah politicians have a power grab issue at times. There are processes to go through to work with each other. Land developers would love to have pristine federal lands so they could get their way with their real estate deals and profiteering. They want to be the Bruce Babbit of Arizona and others to get the contracts for their share at Bryce, Zion, and other great national parks. The Hilton/Hampton family of hotels is moving into Springdale and convenience stores are closing. Water is valuable and accounted for.

  • jotab Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Let's see, who has built most of the water projects to conserve water in Utah, would be departments of the federal government?

    And the right to bear arms is NOT reserved as a state right as it is in the Bill of Rights a federal government document! Oh, and by the way, kt is not a God given right either.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 18, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Yes, let's make all of Utah into State land and get rid of Federal controls. We can easily afford the few billion dollars a year it costs to administer and operate those lands even if we do have to raise our taxes to do so. And if the rest of the US objects, that's why we are making it legal for everyone to carry concealed weapons.

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    March 18, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    States' rights have been trampled on as federal government has confiscated state lands in order to regulate, that is to say no to commercial and energy use with its vast array of regulations promulgated and enforced by unelected bureaucrats. Utah must not cave to the behemoth.

  • bobidaho SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2013 6:12 a.m.

    Why would the Utah state government do a better job with "public" lands then the federal government? Remember these are the folks that spend less per child on public education then any other state. So if they value their children less then any other state why would they value public lands or endangered species? What would lead us to believe that these Utah leaders wouuld be good stewards....nothing that I have seen.

  • ApacheNaiche PINETOP, AZ
    March 17, 2013 8:45 p.m.

    Keep Utah lands for Utahns. Kick the Feds out.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    Is there ANY intelligent life in Utah's GOP?

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    March 17, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    The federal government is a big bully and must not be allowed to take water rights like it took land in the late 1900s.
    We as a state need to stop them now. If anyone in this state wants to continue to drink water they had better be with the state on this!
    Do not be foolish and think the feds will be fair. They will not.
    Look how fair they have been to the Native American's!
    They will take the water just like they took the land and will not keep a single promise that they utter.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    March 17, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    The federal government is like a bully infringing on authority (e.g. the police powers) and rights (e.g. right to keep and bear arms) reserved to the states and the people. State lawmakers should be commended for pushing back against the bully.

  • Government Man Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    I guess most of the Utah State Legislature must have missed the history section on the Civil War. The Federal Government is more powerful than the states!! I can just see it now. The Federal Government deeds over the public lands. All the public lands get sold to rich friends of the Legislators. I can't hunt, fish, or drive on these once public lands. It will be like living in Maine and not Utah. Our Legislature is full of nincompoops!!!

  • OJF64 Sandy, UT
    March 17, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Utah should not get any lands that are controlled by the Feds. Utah gets control they sell it off to the highest bidder for the rich to have their fun. Say NO to Utah getting control our state government is not responsible enough to have control.