Orthodoxy pledges for teachers and dress codes for customers pose religious liberty questions on both coasts

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  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    No ones rights are being violated as long as people are free to work/shop elsewhere. "Freedom for all" does not mean "freedom to do whatever you want wherever you want".

  • Free Agency Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    As a gay male, I've had lots of experiences of religions trying to impose their beliefs on me--not just within their own domains (no problem, since I have no interest in being in their domains), but in the wider society, of which I'm a citizen.

    Thank God, they're not winning in the wider society.

    Having said that, I would defend to the death these religions' rights to set the rules for their own domains. Teachers in private schools *should* fit the criteria of what those schools seek to teach.

    Customers in orthodox businesses *should* be respectful of the beliefs of the proprietors.

    Their freedom to do that is inextricably linked to my freedom to have equal rights--including gay marriage--in our democratic society. For me to try to impose my beliefs on them threatens my own freedom.

    As for the marriage issue, they don't own "marriage," no matter how much they claim to. So I'm not imposing my beliefs on them by being allowed to marry. However, I *would* be doing so if I demanded that they perform my marriage.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 17, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    The Diocese wants employees to sign an addendum saying they will follow Catholic teachings, but the addendum itself violates Catholic teachings....

    Interesting conundrum....

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    In Israel Orthodex Jews not only have dress codes for businesses they own but also for neighborhoods they live in. I read an article where women dressed in modern fashion are harassed if they walk into Orthodox neighborhoods. Cheese burgers are also apparently against the Jewish Orthodox faith. Orthodox Jews in Israel tried to get McDonald's to stop serving cheese burgers. It wasn't enough to abide by this rule themself, they tried to impose this on everyone else. Other Jews of course resisted this, saying to the Orthodox Jews .. 'We don't tell you what to eat and what not to eat, you don't tell us either'.

    Whenever Religion has unique restrictions, there is a tendency to want to impose those restrictions on everyone else. Religions themselves need to be aware of this tendency and then refrain from doing this. The rest of society needs to stand up for their rights and not allow this to happen.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    The only reason Catholics have schools is to indoctrinate Catholic youth and to keep them from being indoctrinated in the 'ways of the world'. If they hire a person to teach, it seems right and reasonable that they can determine what is and what isn't taught.

    What would not be reasonable or right is if the Catholic church could restrict a person from using birth control as a condition of employment.

    Such a personal choice is none of any employers business.

  • James1105 BOAZ, AL
    March 16, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    Wow, Hutterite, how socialistic of you! So someone else's property is yours to use as YOU see fit?

    Ever hear of private residential property? That you don't have a right to trespass on someone else's property unless invited? And if you do, you have to abide by THEIR rules since you are on their property? Because someone has business property doesn't mean that they no longer have rights over THEIR property which THEY PURCHASED and manage.

    If people don't like the rules of entrance inside of some business, they don't need to frequent it any more. Vote with your feet!

    But, oh, that's right, this is socialist Amerika where everyone is free to tell everyone else what they can and can't do regarding what is good/best for "the whole" since no one really has much of any rights since the government is the one to grant them what they can and cannot do with their own property.

    Freedom - what an interesting concept which most people today have a hard time grasping.

  • Jary Phoenix, AZ
    March 16, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    Dear Hutterite, so religion "fragment(s) our society" but those opposing a person of faith's efforts to maintain modesty and propriety in their establishments do not? The sign "no shoes, no shirts, no service" has been a long standing sign in many establishments and I see no additional infringement on anyone's liberties by the additions of this business owner on the East Coast. Many of our sensibilities are constantly assaulted by the attire of males who choose to model for us their undergarments half way down their back side or females who leave little or nothing to our imaginations in terms of modesty front. So often we speak only in terms of the rights of those so called abused or imposed upon by any required behavior or dress and never the rights of those who are assaulted by these "liberated" souls. As far a religious school not being able to have its own standards of adherence for it's teachers, this is almost laughable since so many institutions of "higher learner" have their own litmus test, a political one, sometimes imposed ever so subtly, but imposed none the less.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 16, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Religion only serves to fragment our society, and it is insidiously opportunistic in situations such as a tight eployment market. It has no business imposing itself over individual rights and freedoms.