Know before you go: uncovering the payoffs of higher education

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  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Yet, no one raised the question to barack when he claimed the way to improve the economy is to simply have most of the poplulation college educated.

    Then what? We have more people with degrees than we have jobs for them. Which means we have more over qualified people for jobs they no longer want.

    No one asked the question for him to explain how that was going to help....

    Maybe if we are allowed to start asking the people that represent us questions, and look into the plan and analyze it for a minute. We can make better decisions.

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    March 14, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    You can bet college and university presidents (yes you Gordon Gee) will be fighting this like a junk yard dog.

    Christian Science Monitor Immigrants gaining jobs, native-born Americans aren't + Have degree, driving cab: Nearly half of college grads are overqualified. Same type of reports from Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele in WaPo about PhD STEM grads doing office temp work. The Chronicle of Higher Education PhD now comes with food stamps and unemployed law school grads are suing their schools for lying about the placement rate. American high tech workers have to train their replacements, but our "leaders" still want more foreign workers ; High skilled and no skills. Does anyone ever ask Obama, McCain, Rubio, Dubin, Sherrod Brown ect for evidence that "we" need more workers?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 14, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    A friend of my son got a degree, in a for profit school in a degree split between business and computer. He wasn't able to get any job offers with this, he felt because he didn't know enough about business or computer.

    A word of advice I would give to anybody is to find out how prior graduates of the degree you are planning to get are doing in the job market.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    March 14, 2013 5:15 a.m.

    And they wonder why those with college degrees can't find a job. College degrees should not be based on any particular job expectation, that kind of education limits opportunities. The state should focus on the basic skills and education and let business do their own job training. Jobs come and go too fast for education to plan OJT classes for any certain job.

    Higher education anymore is focused on everything but education and knowledge. People even the young know their likes and dislikes and skills and are the best judge of what they want as a career. If the state is really concerned about job placement, they should IQ and aptitude test anyone the wants to go to college or higher educaiton. Put them in the right education unrelated to local job demands.

    Funneling students into jobs and education beyond their abilities and desires is not an eduction of value and why college graduates are dumbed down stressed out with inferiority complexes in jobs they are not meant to be in. Do everyone a favor, keep government and business influence out of education. Then if business wants specialist they can train them as the need arises.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    March 14, 2013 1:43 a.m.

    This discussion reminds me of the classic "The Game of Life" board game. Players choose among seeking wealth, happiness,and/or fame. We had to decide whether to spend extra time and money for more education. Then I thought of the college education our mother had. Her career was housewife. We received our first and most valuable lessons about politics, religion, character, science, the arts, reading, and history at home. What's the dollar value of that? As long as we study the long term worth of educational choices, let's add values beyond money. Family stability, community service, happiness, fame, or who-knows-what may also interest our students.

    Even if money is our only measure of value, we should still study those who earn so-called "degrees to nowhere" yet may do inexplicably well in seemingly unrelated fields. I know a guy who majored in Political Science, but within five years ended up as a well-paid information technology executive.

    There are too many intangibles involved in the choices youth must make. Entry level pay, or even career income, is only part of the data they need.