'Constitutional carry' law could create showdown between governor, legislators

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  • theshadowknows Salt Lake, UT
    March 16, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    It isn't broke (the current permit system) .... so don't try to fix it. Show a sense of responsibility and don't encourage people who won't take the time to go through this process to take up weapons just because they can and make problems for us all. ... do not pass this bill. Our state permit system is sufficient intimidation to keep the wingnuts ... on BOTH sides ... under control. WE HAVE THE BEST RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS IN THE COUNTRY....BUT THOSE CAN BE REVOKED! oh...yes...I do have a permit...and I find it a considerable responsibility and priveledge. I don't want it messed up by unnecessary and foolish tinkering.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    March 14, 2013 7:19 p.m.

    Why isn't the DesNews reporting HB114 2nd Amendment Protection Act passed the House? All of you conservatives who read the Trib, call your Senators and urge it's passage! Time to tell the feds to stop encroaching on the rights of the states and the people. If we don't assert our rights, the feds will assume the power; it's time to push back by whatever means.

  • CatsR4fun Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    Crimes against humanities, is that like shooting text books?

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    March 14, 2013 4:09 a.m.

    Guns and death count is an irrelevant argument when you consider that having guns has prevented the acts of crimes against humanities by war lords and governors and presidents. Though freedom does require sacrifice and lives, the very low body count in question has been worth the cost.

    We say if you don't like your freedoms leave the country, just watch some world news media programs where war and death of hundreds a day by govenrment forces is all the facts you need. There is no such thing as a safe country where the people cannot fight their government and that's why we have the 2nd amendement, to fight you local sheriffs or war lords. The Bill of Rights authorizes us to trust no one.

    This law does not legalize anything, it just repeals laws restricting 2nd amendment rights. How a gun works is one of the simplest machines in the world to learn and has but one limit, the man and mind that holds it against the threats he faces. We need more efforts to educate people on morality and respect for others rights, teaching obedience creates oppression, fear, and socialism, the root of evil.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 13, 2013 9:12 p.m.


    Alaska, Wyoming and Arizona rank in the top ten states with the most deaths from firearms.
    Guess that qualifies for ZERO problems?

    UT isn't known for having a high crime rate--so why do Utahns feel they want to make it easier to carry guns in public?

  • mornixuur Layton, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    Dear Legislators:

    Several years ago, you people created Utah's concealed-carry permit system. I comprehend that as individuals, some of you were not in office then, but ideologically, there was little difference.

    You left it intact for years, although changes were within your power. Some of you even encouraged citizens to get such permits, and I believe at least one of you taught the classes.

    Now you tell us that it's a bad idea. It's a horrible, awful, unconstitutional restriction and needs to be removed. Would it not also be fair for you to admit that it was YOUR idea in the first place, and then inform us on why you should be entrusted to fix it?

    What changed?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 13, 2013 7:38 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber - " trust the law abiding citizens of Utah who voted for you, and their representatives, and sign the bill!"

    In case you did not read the article, it would appear that the "law abiding citizens of Utah" would rather he NOT sign the bill

    "A recent survey by the BYU Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy found 82 percent of Utahns favor universal background checks on all potential gun buyers. "

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 13, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    Gov. Herbert, trust the law abiding citizens of Utah who voted for you, and their representatives, and sign the bill!

    Opponents and their arguments are the same used against forcing issue of
    concealed carry permits in 1995. 18 years of actual data prove the critics
    were totally wrong then, and they are totally wrong now.

    Constitutional carry is not some crazy idea filled with unknown danger and
    promoting random gunfire. Vermont has had this forever, Alaska for 10
    years, Arizona for 3 years and Wyoming for 2 years with ZERO problems. And,
    other states are considering adopting it too.

    The Constitutional Carry issue is about good guys having to get a permission
    slip to carry a legal self defense tool.

    The bad guys don't care, and don't bother with "no stinking permits!"

    So, the current permit requirement does nothing to disarm criminals, only
    good guys.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 13, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    As a permit holder I favor law. This law will make no difference whether bad guys carry guns or not and probably it will encourage more good people to carry.

    Utah would do well to have on its website training videos, explaining the legal use of Guns in Utah, along with gun safety rules.

    Every year thousands of good people in their homes and on the street are saved from assault or worse because they had a gun to protect them. However as gun detractors point out, this doesn't mean that people who have and carry guns are safer. For guns to make a person and family safer, they need to put in practice the gun safety rules. Only then can having a gun make a family and person safer. Gun safety is not difficult, but you need to do it.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    10 CC,

    I don't think a literal interpretation of the Constitution would be as big a deal as most people think it would. I don't worry too much about people getting awesome military grade style weapons and machinery (such as the ones you listed and others)because the average person (and psychopath) simply cannot afford these items. In our current interpretation of the constitution, if you're rich enough to own one of these items and are bent on hurting people, chances are you're rich enough to hire more effective and less conspicuous ways of hurting people. The drug cartels, mafias, and terrorist organizations have been doing it for years with out the use of large military machines of war and we largely cannot find and prosecute them.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 13, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    "Will Eric Holder have to obey gun control laws or can he continue to send them to Mexico?"

    As long as buying a gun is as easy as a pack of bubble gum... I don't think you need to worry about Holder sending guns over the baorder, because there are hundred of others doing it every day.

    If you really think Holder is the problem... you are sorely misinformed. Thousands have been killed with guns bought in places like Walmar and Bass Proshop, or your local gun show that were shipped south every day in Mexico.

    But that isn't nearly as sensational, now is it.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    March 13, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    As a current permit holder and gun enthusiast I still prefer the permit requirement with a background check for concealed carry. Seems to make sense to me.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    March 13, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    The article failed to mention that the bill can become law without the Gov's signature if he does not veto it or sign it. This is exactly what Herbert will do in order to placate the pro gun and anti gun bases, he will allow the bill to become law without his signature.

  • wasatchfrontman Murray, UT
    March 13, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Here's the 2nd amendment as actually written and passed by Congress:
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
    In 2008 and 2010 the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions to officially establish an "individual rights" interpretation of the Second Amendment.The Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home with prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court as being consistent with the Second Amendment and that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.
    The concealed weapons class taught in Utah focuses on the regulations and responsibilities of a gun owner carrying a conceale weapon. It stuns me that an opportunity to educate people is not welcomed by our legislators.
    Of course, this is the same group that doesn't want our kids to know about sex either.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    I don't think this bill puts Utah law in line with the Constitution, as far as the literalists are concerned.

    Until Utah law permits individuals to possess nuclear weapons, or B-52s or Apache helicopters with anti-tank missiles, it will fall short. What's that, you say? The framers of the Constitution could not have envisioned nuclear weapons? That is entirely beside the point. The Constitution is very plain, there is zero ambiguity or room for interpretation.

    I want a neutron bomb, and I want it now! Anything short of that just promotes the kind of tyranny we've had to endure since the Feds outlawed the use of leaded gasoline, or worse yet, when they trampled on all of our rights by outlawing cigarette commercials.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 13, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Will Eric Holder have to obey gun control laws or can he continue to send them to Mexico?