Mormons rally in support of statewide anti-discrimination efforts

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  • Mormonmeuk London, 00
    March 28, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    Well done Utah, now you're only 10 years behind the rest of the civilised World.
    Why would anyone think Mormons are homophobic?
    Oh, wait...
    All the anti-discrimination measures got blocked. By who?
    Looks like you're determined to treat homosexuals as second class citizens.
    My guess is that eventually a POTUS will have to threaten to remove your tax exempt status before you decide to treat other human beings who aren't quite like you, equally before the law.

  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    March 17, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    yes quite interesting reading this was. I would say only a couple of things, 1 Jesus said love the sinner not the sin, in my mind this isn't putting the sinner ahead of all else or giving them special privliges as most request. I brought back to the years when most of these situations started mostly 60s and 70s the years of free love, drugs and rock and roll. The liberal professors that got into our college and started telling students about how they should be treated and how unfairly they are treated has caused a landslide that basically says each person in this nation should have their own special laws or they are being discriminated against.
    I believe most people in this country are quite tolerant of others. We have a black president yet the race card is continually played, we have bent over backwards for many and satisfaction never comes, no matter whats done its never enough. I think if one were to really look at whats happening and the majority would start seeking what they want instead of letting the minority call the shots many things would change for the better. Silence sometimes destroys all.

  • Brian Utley Freedom, IN
    March 17, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    Talk about shoddy journalism! Your headline writer and your reporter really had a disconnect. The "Mormons" didn't rally. It was a "Small Group of Self-described Mormons." The message to mere headline readers such as I am is entirely different. Surely blindsided me with your bait and switch.

  • wamba Layton, UT
    March 14, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    It's sad to come here and see people working so hard to justify treating other people badly. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we didn't have to have laws to protect people from oppression. But that's not the world we live in.

    I respect everyone's right to disagree with me for being a Mormon. People are perfectly welcome to disagree with my beliefs, my definitions of morals, and the way I live my life. Insults, disagreements, jokes, taunts, and social stigma... those are all versions of protected free speech and I support them, even if I suffer because of them.

    But when it comes to my ability to make a living and have a home, my Mormonism should not be a factor. I should be protected against discrimination for housing or employment based on my religion.

    Gay people should have the same protection. I disagree with the horrible comments on this board but I will defend your right to make them because I believe in freedom. Denying people housing or employment because of their sexual orientation... that's oppression and I disagree with that because I believe in freedom.

  • Jemezblue Albuquerque, NM
    March 14, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    How sad that such bullying and discrimination goes on around a country that should know better. I am white and I grew up in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood and I was the victim of discrimination and bullying since the 3rd grade. I was the butt of jokes, beaten up for the color of my skin, had my shins kicked in every day, except for one, during 5th grade, slammed into lockers in middle school, insulted, called names, (although I kinda liked "3 Mile Island" one), warned against taking Spanish classes, had horrible cartoons drawn of me and shared around class, thrown into trash cans, trumpets blasted into my ears....I could go on. That was my past throughout grade school and into my college years.

    But today, I work to learn and then to help the Hispanic population in the U.S., because I realized that being nasty and hateful from all of this only serves to cause more problems on me and that Christ did not retaliate from the abuses he suffered.

    Be more like Christ, don't retaliate against your abusers. Calmly help to change laws, but respect those who are different. Don't discriminate against religion as well.

  • SugarCoated HEBER CITY, UT
    March 14, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Many of these comments make me so sad. This group got together to talk about loving and taking care of others... and to help point out the bullying that LGBT people have had to put up with... That they lose jobs, get kicked out of homes, get beat up and sometimes killed, are shunned or constantly told that they are "less-than"... and the newspaper comment section is just full of more hateful and disgusting bullying.

    Way to go Grayson, and your mom, and all of you that got together to share your values of love and acceptance. I hope none of you are reading these comments, and... just in case you are, know THIS person supports your rights.

  • Oldy Glocks Orem, UT
    March 14, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    The Lord placed Adam and Eve in the garden with a commandment to go forth and multiply and replenish the earth. Has the Lord rescinded that commandment or given a pass to those who deny His role in the Eternity of life?
    I do not recall any mention in the scriptures about Adam and Steve.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 14, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    @Flashback --

    "I'm sorry, but the "guy" is still genetically a girl"

    It isn't always that simple, and you don't have any way to know if it applies in this specific case or not. In fact, there are several medical conditions that can produce a person whose external appearance doesn't match up with their genetic composition. These biologically confused folks are sometimes raised as the "wrong" gender. In fact, by some estimates roughly 1% of live births show some degree of physical gender ambiguity. Look up "intersex conditions" for further info.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 14, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    I'm sorry, but the "guy" is still genetically a girl and dressing like a male won't change that. ACT score or not.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    March 14, 2013 4:53 a.m.

    My religious values don't include denying someone a job or housing because of their sexual preferences. Their presence at work or in my neighborhood neither imposes their values onto mine nor forces me to approve of what they do privately. Mormons of all people should be hesitant to say that if you're only 2 people out of a town of 3000, there's no problem with firing you simply because you have "different values."

    I'm ashamed that others who supposedly share my religious values are trying to rationalize mistreatment of people with throwaway sympathy like "many people fired for unjust reasons. That's life, and the way it is." Ironically, they're making the very case for the law that they're arguing against.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 13, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    In a small town of three thousand. Two thousand nine hundred , and ninety eight people has similar values, but two?

    Hmm? There's more to this story then is being written.

    There are many people fired for unjust reasons. That's life, and the way it is.

    I'd like to hear from this stake president, and I'll probably hear a different version of this story.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    March 13, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    now if we can get Mormons not to ostracize non-Mormons. then something will really be accomplished.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 13, 2013 3:38 p.m.


    Aren't you using discrimination with describing the small-ish southern Utah town.

    You're blasting their values as they are yours.

    There are places I wouldn't live, because of different values/culture. I just live somewhere else rather then argue. Why change the culture of an area, because of one or two people? Simple solution,--find a compatible area to your lifestle.

  • Kelliebelle66 West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    Anytime discrimination is allowed toward any group, citizens should be worried because you never know who could be targeted next. It could be you. As an active member of the LDS Church I do not want any person to have to suffer through employment discrimination, housing discrimination, hate crimes etc. Someone in an earlier comment mentioned the bullying tactics used by the LGBT community. I have felt personally bullied by people in this group and have seen people who preach tolerance for all not practice tolerance for people who are religious or who disagree with them. It's hurtful. But I think we need to come together as human beings and make sure that people are being treated with compassion, kindness and equality. The LDS Church has come out with a website designed to help members understand the LGBT community and to help bridge that gap and increase understanding. I think that having a brother who is gay has helped me understand how to love those who are different despite the disparity in some of our beliefs.It doesn't mean that you have to agree with the lifestyle when you agree that everyone has certain rights.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    homosexuality within the LDS church is a tough issue. On one hand the Church has publicly stated that having homosexual urges is NOT a sin however acting on those urges IS a sin. Homosexuals are welcome in the LDS church and have no constraints at all other than the law of chastity.

  • QuercusQate Wallsburg, UT
    March 13, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    The problem with discrimination against gays and lesbians is that it's entirely based upon what others presume or imagine we do in our private lives. I've personally known committed lesbian couples who have been celibate for years at a time, yet they're discriminated against (and told how immoral and perverted they are) by people who are simply "imagining" what's going on behind bedroom doors. The problem lies principally or entirely in the accusers' minds, not with most gays and lesbians. We simply want the humane and fair treatment with which you'd treat any other human traveler on this earth.

    For those claiming that there "are already laws" protecting gays from discrimination, you're largely incorrect. There are protections for federal workers, and for workers in 17 communities in Utah, but there is no statewide protection against flagrant acts of discrimination against gays. Even with a law, discrimination laws are extremely difficult to prove, and they serve principally as awareness-raisers and deterrents.

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 13, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    @Tators --

    "We don't "need" to accept anyone or their behavior that is totally counter to our own most inner moral feelings and values"

    I'll rephrase: **in order to conform to the equal protection and privacy principles outlined in the US Constitution**, you need to accept that everyone has the basic human right to love whomever they wish within the bounds of adult consensual relations. To deny them that right is unconstitutional.

    "especially when that behavior has been shown in multiple studies to have questionable social effects on society."

    **What** studies? Please name some of them.

    "There were too many of us (even just visiting) in California during active proposition 8 times, that when driving out of an LDS church parking lot, were sworn at and had our cars egged and were spat at..."

    Churches that opposed Prop 8 were also vandalized, and opposers were also personally harrassed.

    "while they themselves show no inclination of tolerance toward anyone else who doesn't totally side with them..."

    Prop 8 was an attempt to deny civil rights to thousands of American citizens. It's natural that those citizens should be angry.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 13, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    To Amazondoc:

    You are incorrect. We don't "need" to accept anyone or their behavior that is totally counter to our own most inner moral feelings and values, especially when that behavior has been shown in multiple studies to have questionable social effects on society.

    There were too many of us (even just visiting) in California during active proposition 8 times, that when driving out of an LDS church parking lot, were sworn at and had our cars egged and were spat at... all by these supposedly loving people who ironically are asking others to be tolerant of them, while they themselves show no inclination of tolerance toward anyone else who doesn't totally side with them... none at all. It's difficult to respect people who don't walk their own talk.

    Personally, I don't understand why a few dozen people getting together concerning a dead bill should warrant this much attention. It must have been a very slow news day for the reporters involved.

  • QuercusQate Wallsburg, UT
    March 13, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    In my case, the loss of jobs was initiated by my partner's boss, who was the local Mormon Stake President. Because he held such local sway, it resulted in both of us losing our jobs. The condition for her keeping her job was that she move out of our house! Despite this outrageous condition, she moved out, acquiring a rental in town. Townspeople saw my car there one evening as we watched a video, and because of that, she lost her job. My boss was a friend of the stake president, and within days of my partner's firing, I lost my job, too.

    The prevalent religion is not always discriminatory or petty, but sometimes it does harmful things while trying to be well-intentioned.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    OK, new question. How much of this discrimination is imagined due to the hard knocks life sometimes gives us?

    Lets be real here; life happens. sometimes you lose a job. sometimes you get kicked out of an apartment. discrimination occurs (i have seen and intervened) but i have not seen evidence to suggest that it is the prevailing attitude in the state or the states predominant religion. is this bill really necessary?

  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 13, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    @mytwobits --

    "In all the hubbub about gays being bullied and discriminated against, has anyone noticed how gays themselves use intimidation and bullying against those who believe that homosexual behavior, both public and private, is detrimental and destructive to individuals and to society? Why is there no outcry in behalf of those of us who believe that the spirit is gender-specific just as the body is and that attraction toward the opposite sex is not "orientation" but "temptation"?"

    The funny thing about freedom and civil rights are that they should apply to **everyone**, not just to people that you happen to agree with.

    Homosexuals have never fought for *special* rights, only for *equal* rights with the rest of society. You don't have to believe that homosexuality is "good", or even that interracial marriage is "good" -- and remember, the very same arguments that you are using now were used previously back in the days of racial segregation. You just need to accept that everyone has the basic human right to love whomever they wish, within the bounds of adult consensual relations.

  • Darkelf Taylorsville, UT
    March 13, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    wow those of you who say you see LGBT community bullying. you need to look at the actual facts. see you dont see gay people on the news for beating up straight people. but you do see straight people beating up people who are gay. if you say this is not true i can show you story, after story, after story.

    as a personal experience in this discrimination this. when i moved here last year. we were looking at apartments. at this one complex. it was two ladies and me and my girl friend waiting to look at apartments. the two ladies were in the lobby before us. so the leasing agent walked in and asked who was here first. after showing them apartment the leasing agent came back. first words out of her mouth were sorry you had to deal with those people. i had to ask. what people? people who are gay. this was from the leasing agent. yes i placed a call to the management company she worked for. don't know if anything happened to her or not. i feel bad for the ladies if they had to deal with her.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 13, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    To "Florwood" if you were always told by your peers that you are a victim, don't you think that you would be more likely to say that you have been discriminated against?

    They have claimed victimhood for so long, that they believe that anytime somebody says no to them that it is because of discrimination. If Utah was so horrible to gays, why is it that the gay magazines always talk about how tolerant Utah is?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 13, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    All people face discrimination in some form. You grow up and handle it.

    Quit whining, and acting as a handy cap. This country has more important issues.

  • QuercusQate Wallsburg, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    As a lesbian with deep, Utah roots, I can assure you that discrimination occurs regularly in Utah. My partner and I were both fired from our respective jobs in a small-ish southern Utah town. We weren't "out," but we did live together, and we were fired based upon a rumor that began to circulate around town. After losing our jobs, we were subsequently blackballed by the entire town. After 8+ months of trying to find ANY job, we finally had to board up our ranch and move to the Wasatch Front.

    In our case, we lost both our jobs and our home.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 13, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    People who are discriminated:

    * rich people
    * "You didn't build that"--responsible people making a successful living are being criticized.
    * the half of our population who pay federal income tax, compared to those who don't
    * people who don't qualify for college assistance
    * an eighty year old person still paying income taxes
    * school children whose learning is hampered, because the emphasis are on the low achievers.
    * people forced to pay for someone's welfare.

    Yes! We need "statewide anti-discrimination efforts". Maybe country wide.

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Go Utes: Don't know about overall stats in how often discrimination occurs. One of the speakers yesterday told his story of being kicked out of an apartment for being openly gay. A UofU professor has done a survey of LGBT people in Utah, where nearly 50% felt they had been discriminated against. Don't know more details beyond that.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    I think the LGBT is out of line and using some interesting Bullying tactics." I also find it strange that they referred to the transgender person as a "he." I don't know what the scenario is, but I'm pretty sure the government has this individual listed as a girl (the gender at birth) and as far as housing contracts go, I think we're right, particularly in dorm/ single gender apartments to say we don't want to deal with the complexities of your Psyche because most people are going to be a little weirded out showing up to college and suddenly realizing their sweet nice roommate us really a boy. There are consequences for your actions people. Choosing to be the opposite gender is no different.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    I prefer this demonstration to a bunch of folks dancing and prancing down mainstreet half-(or completely) naked on pride day.

  • Jim Cobabe Provo, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    What difference does a self-imposed label make? Of course anyone can claim to be "different", and assert that they are somehow a "victim" of discrimination. The false posturing that "LGBT" means something special and wonderful that merits special laws or special protection is just another approach to normalizing deviant behavior. Perhaps this situation requires that every individual should be considered "different" and have a unique set of laws and rules that apply. From the perspective of a pluralistic society, the very notion is absurd, and would prove impossible to implement or enforce.

  • mytwobits West Valley City, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    In all the hubbub about gays being bullied and discriminated against, has anyone noticed how gays themselves use intimidation and bullying against those who believe that homosexual behavior, both public and private, is detrimental and destructive to individuals and to society? Why is there no outcry in behalf of those of us who believe that the spirit is gender-specific just as the body is and that attraction toward the opposite sex is not "orientation" but "temptation"? As a supporter of California's Proposition 8, I have seen some pretty nasty bullying behavior by gays against anyone who doesn't heel to their mark. Where is our "antidiscrimination" legislation? Or are we just supposed to accept the pushing and shoving and spitting and name-calling and vandalism and threats and legal actions and ...?

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    There are already antidiscrimination laws on the books. What else are they looking for. Mormons don't hate gays. What else do they want? I'm confused.

    If they want us to agree with them that they should be able to marry instead of engage in civil unions. Then i would be against that.

  • jskains Orem, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    The concern I have for this bill relates to so called gender identity. I believe it addresses things like bathroom access. I think there is a huge safety concern allowing people to choose which gender they imagine themselves to be, thus going into whatever bathroom they want. Having men who believe themselves, or claim themselves to be women can create safety concerns. I feel like the world has gone mad trying to accept every type of behavior without really paying attention to consequences.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Just because I'm against the behavior that defines homosexuality does not necessarily mean I'm judgmental (of the person). Or, another way to say it is, we make judgments every day, about a million different things. We judge if we are living up to our potential and what actions we should take to do so.

    Having said that, I have some sympathy for those who have sexual ortientation problems. Some struggle mightily. I struggle mightily with my temptations. I fight every day to overcome those weaknesses I have that beset me so easily. I struggle in many personal ways to be the man I want to be and Heavenly Father wants me to be.

    I agree with the posters I've seen the demonstrators carry. But sometimes there is a fine line between supporting and loving the person and supporting and loving their behavior. But, I am not the judge.

    All I know is that in the past, some of these laws have been ripe with unintended consequenses. I have to admit though, I have not read the bill, so therefore don't feel qualified to comment on why the Utah congress does not want to pass it.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 13, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    But by the grace of God go I. Your never lucky until after the game is over and your the winner.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 13, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Thank you for this. I have known good mormon people all of my life and I have known (in large abundance) holier than thou mormons, "you need to be more like me" mormons, and "I love the sinner, I just hate the sin" mormons. I like this kind best. These are the kind more likely to say, "Love the sinner and despise the sin in myself that causes me to judge others so easily."

    March 13, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    This is wonderful. I don't know what else to say. I am truly impressed.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    March 13, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    I suppose i am ignorant as i have never hired anybody or lent housing to anybody either, but i cannot imagine that employers or landlords would be so foolish as to deny qualified applicants on the basis of sexual orientation. At what point does that even come up in an interview?

    Somebody please tell me how much of a problem this actually is. from what i can tell it is just the LGBT fishing for attention.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:48 a.m.

    We found out in the 1960's that love everyone is a dysfunctional concept and doesn't work like these extremist think it should. Love everyone is impossible and that only applies to individuals and family.

    Tolerate and respecting others rights is a functional society, especially in the USA where even those facing discrimination must tolerate and respect other rights to be discriminatory of ones beliefs and ideals.

    We all have a right to discriminate and not like people for personal beliefs. Discrimination laws only apply to social and economic fluidity of a community. Even that is questionable. Discrimination is a right of independence, freedoms, and free will and religion Constitutional declarations. Its getting out of reason that individuals think they have a right to disrespect others rights to not like someone for any reason, even personal conflicting moral issues.

    If anyone can't accept themselves without guilt or shame, then I can't accept them either. If they think I have to accept their beliefs then they do not have my respect or tolerate them as peers or equals. Live and let live, that is god's way of love. Mandating laws for pity is absurd and very selfish.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    March 13, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    Mormons following Christ's example.

    Best story I've read in a while. Thank you, DesNews.