Bill to ban Medicaid expansion in Utah passes House, may meet resistance in Senate

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  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 14, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Does anyone really think that all of our doctors, nurses, lab techs, x-ray techs and other health care providers are going to provide enough free care to take care of those without insurance? These are the same doctors who are already refusing to take Medicare patient because they don't feel that they're being paid enough by Medicare, and now you think they're gonna help the same patients for free? And are our hospitals ready to provide free rooms when these people need to receive in-patient care, and let the doctors use their MRI machines for free?

    The reality is that some services just don't work well on a charity model. Would anyone support a similar model for fire and police services, where those who can afford it subscribe for protection and the rest have to hope that the cops and firemen will donate their services when needed? Health care is the same way. Hoping that wealthy doctors will donate their time and services isn't realistic.

  • Interloper Portland, OR
    March 13, 2013 3:55 a.m.

    If charities really were capable of providing full preventive and post illness health care we would not have as many as 60,000 Americans dying because they don't have health care insurance every year. Furthermore, we don't live in a theocracy. It is not the churches' role to provide health care access. Instead, it should be provided by the government and private sector working together, which is exactly what the Affordable Care Act does. Thousands of Utahns will suffer and die early if the false claims of piety being made by some legislators prevail.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 12, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    I know Jesus cares about everyone; whether he would releave everyone of an individual mandate to be charitible and allow His followers to shift that mandate to a bureacratic non-charitible government office is quite another thing. Jesus never compelled anyone to do anything. Individual choice was paramount with him(Scripture says there is a judgement day for evaluating how charitable we have been. It seems he wasn't very kind to those in His day that gave public alms while forgetting the individual mandate). I'm absolutely certain that socialism is not His answer for solving insurance and health care issues. Is there a better way to help the poor? Yes, there is! No one listens; It is easier to pass it off to the government and pat yourself on the back. The problem with doing that,however, is that in the end, our society hardens and the poor and indigent receive less care.

  • Big_Bird West Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    WWJD? Healthcare for ALL should be a right not a privilege! We need a solution for AFFORDABLE healthcare. Healthcare premiums of $1000's each month is NOT affordable. Perhaps expanding Medicaid is not the answer. Suggest another option. Jesus WOULD care for everyone and would not ask for their immigration status!

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    March 12, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    The funniest thing about this article and the outrage that follows in these posts is that If Romney somehow won and introduced similar healthcare legislation (you know, like he did before) then Utah's so called tea party "patriots" would of course be tireless champions of that legislation and we'd never have to hear any of the utter nonsense in this article and most of the following posts.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    One old man: Just because someone opposes government intervention doesn't mean that they are looking the other way to helping the poor. I contribute thousands of dollars to charity every year, something I'm glad to do. The world is not perfect, whether government is small or large, but government programs are neither charitable or accountable. Real charity blesses the giver and the receiver; whereas government programs only help the receiver, and that is questionable at times. If someone on medicaid is compelling the taxpayer to give up his/her industry for medical services, does the taxpayer have the right to compel the receiver to give up something in return? The accountability seems to run only one way for those receiving government benefit. Taxpayers are tired of being asked to give more and more and being told they are selfish for not giving up it all. There is a better way! If anyone presents anything other than an expansion of programs that are already failing our society, he/she is looked upon as a heretic, selfish, or 'extreme', something that doesn't endear the taxpayer to their cause.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Legislators quoting scripture and crying during debate of the bill? We're one step away from a theocracy. Debate the bill on it's merits but leave your religous dogma at the door.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Again, I say, it's amazing how many cruel and greedy people are out there fighting against any expansion of one of the most humane and sensible things our government ever did.

    They should all be ashamed of themselves; grateful they don't need Medicare; and fervently hoping they never do need it.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 12, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    "Medicaid expansion" is a benign, or even wonderful sounding descriptions for a despicable scheme that lures states with the promise of "FREE MONEY!" for four years. After that, less and less federal money, but leaving the states stuck with the full bill for a huge federal mandate.

    The worst part is that the "FREE MONEY" is taken from taxpayers anyway, but when the federal funding is cut, the taxes will not be, and state taxes will have to be raised to cover the larger state commitments.

    If people want socialized medicine, just say so, and get it passed. If people want to help the less fortunate, there are plenty of wonderful charities or other options to support. Any one of which is more compassionate and effective and efficient than a bloated federal bureaucracy with stifling regulations and unsustainable overhead costs.

    Utah needs to stay out of the "expanded medicaid" program. Pass the bill!

  • wear2manyhatz Holladay, UT
    March 11, 2013 9:59 p.m.

    Just in case you'd ever like to do more than just make nasty comments about people in the future - you can talk about why programs like the Medicaid Expansion should NOT be implemented...if you could take the time and get off your butt to do just have to follow the process to testify before the Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee.

    I was a regular (I am Chair of Utah Disability Caucus) among the hundreds who did take their time and great effort to testify. For those who think the government does too much, say that directly into the eyes and into the ears of those who bravely took their two minutes. Tell them why Utah should not have the Medicaid Expansion. Tell THEM how it will hurt Utah. Tell them that YOU GUARANTEE that EVERY doctor will take up the call to do charity work...that they would prefer earning zero dollars over what Medicaid may pay.

    You won't...that takes character and integrity.

    Herbert must the the ability to make this decision. Our illustrious Legislature does not have the right to remove that power from him.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 11, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    All the 'do-gooders' out there that want to call people hypocrites for not supporting medicaid expansion only want to talk about the one side of the issue. How about the 'forgotten man' that the government, and all the 'do-gooders', compels to give up his/her industry for the vain hope of socialist dreamers that think nothing of stealing honest tax payer monies to reach a utopian socialist dream that will never work for the poor. How come they can't study history, or look to Europe presently, to understand the devastation that follows such non-sensical, patronizing, and self defeating ideas as Medicaid? When do the 'do-gooders' have to face their own robin hood mentality that theft is wrong, no matter how it is cloaked? Perhaps looking at helping their own neighbor out before compelling others to do so would be a good place to begin? Go figure.

  • Sego Lilly Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    Okay Senate and House and Governor - you now can have Medicaid's PCN insurance. Doesn't cover much so even if you're in a car accident or perhaps a slip and fall you can't go to the emergency room or even urgent care even if you may think you're dying medicaid officers will say they won't pay.

    Right now I'm worried that I will lose my PCN insurance when it comes time to renew because it sounded like on the news tonight that unless you're disabled, have children or a senior I won't qualify for it any more. Being poor won't cut it.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 11, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    It's hard to believe sometimes how cruel and callous some people can be.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    "We can’t exclude the Legislature from that process because we do appropriate the money for that expansion,"

    But the federal gov't pays for 100% of it the first three years. They aren't appropriating anything until year 4.

  • jean22 Bountiful, UT
    March 11, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    I hope it meets A LOT of resistance in the Senate!!!

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    March 11, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    "My vision is a vision of people, county by county, throughout the state, stepping up, hearing the call to action and stepping up to serve the least of these our brethren," Anderegg said, quoting Biblical scripture. "We have the power to do this ourselves."

    Well then, it begs asking Rep. Anderegg, why haven't you been doing so before now? Could it be that you didn't care or ever have the inclination to do so before it became a way to gain votes? Since you're fond of quoting scripture, here's another one for you and your colleagues:

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them."

  • Commenter88 Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 11, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    What a shame. Anderegg actually quotes scripture to grind the faces of the poor. He draws close to the platitudes of serving others with his lips, but his heart is actually far from actually helping cancer patients get life-saving drugs, from diabetes patients getting life-saving medication, and from horrifically ill patients getting medical care.

    On one hand these people reject ObamaCare saying that we can help the poor without making everybody pay for health insurance. But on the other hand, they then deny any medical opportunity to any poor families who make even $1 per month (the working poor). In Utah, you do not get any help if you have any kind of income.

    There are approximately 37 other first-world economies with more humanity in medical care than the one with scripture-quoting legislators.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    March 11, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    Perhaps if our part-time legislators did not have gold plated health insurance paid by the Utah Taxpayers they would have voted differently.

  • GatorGirl99 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    Why are our government representatives and doctors using terms such as 'ecclesiastical leaders' in addressing our societal health care issues. This is not a church problem, though any help is appreciated. But at it's core, this is a society problem for everyone.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    March 11, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    "Leave it up to the governor." Are you kidding me? "Get our share of the pie." Really? Now you can see what's wrong with today's America.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    March 11, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Is there EVER a point where the taxpayers are justified in saying "NO' or "No More" . . . or are we supposed to just keep coughing up into infinity? Thanks to all the wonderful programs, agencies, bills, schemes, projects, etc., we're now far more indebted and bankrupt than any nation or culture in the history of the world--but maybe it's not enough yet. Maybe it will NEVER be enough. Maybe infinity really is the goal. At least that's what it looks like.