Round III: Rep. Paul Ryan's budget to zero out Obamacare

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  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    Tax cuts for the rich, tax hikes for the poor and middle class (before you say no, remember that his plan does not explain where the revenue in closing tax loopholes comes from... which means it comes from places people won't be happy to hear... plus by default there's just not enough loopholes otherwise to not affect those taken by the lower-middle income brackets), no defense cuts, but plenty of cuts to medicare, medicaid, other aid to the poor, and discretionary spending. He even keeps that 716 billion in cuts to Medicare from Obamacare (but gets rid of everything else from Obamacare).

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 12, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    "The CBO may be non-partisan, but that does NOT mean they are apolitical."

    The CBO always either gets knocked by the right or by the left depending on whose position they support.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    March 12, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    WWAR (What would Ayn Rand/Russian-American novelist) do?

    No matter how much ryan tries to hide his obsession with the philosophies of a deceased Russian-American novelist he remains obsessed.

    ryan is a failed politician whose ideas were summarily rejected/dismissed by over 60,000,000 American Voters.

    No matter what flavor of the month ryan is selling, he simply cannot be trusted.

    republicons need to find someone with more than zero credibility to become the spokesperson of the party.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    “If the GOP use [the process] for political tricks then it shows they don’t have any ideas except to take political pot shots.”

    Interesting that such a comment would come from the party that intentionally lied about and misrepresented Ryan’s proposals to reform and improve the entitlement system. Demonrats are always willing to vilify the other side because they have no ideas other than to take political potshots.

    If you had not relied solely on MNSBC and the DNC for information, you would know that the repubs DID put for the other ideas. They were scorned by queen nancy and harry.

    HS Fan
    The CBO may be non-partisan, but that does NOT mean they are apolitical.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 12, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    "The language Ryan has been consistently using since the election," noted Sean Sullivan at the Washington Post, "suggests he doesn’t want to live in a world of constant gridlock. Time and again, Ryan has talked about the importance of recognizing the realities of divided government.""

    And then he again puts forth a budget that will get zero Democratic votes.
    He may "recognize the realities of a divided government" but he darn sure wont work with the other side to put forth a budget that has any chance of passing.

    More show with a predetermined outcome. And he will be praised by his base for it.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Extremists still running the Republican show.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    March 12, 2013 9:13 a.m.


    This comment was not disruptive, off topic or offensive in any way. It was merely informative, to help people understand the federal budget process. As I know you do not allow URLs, I spelled out where people could go to learn about the process. You should not deny a comment merely because you do not understand it.


    Many need to learn how the federal budget process works.

    I suggest you go to budget dot house dot gov slash budgetprocess slash

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    How many other people would be well on the way to being FIRED if they failed to produce a feasible budget, as part of their job, over a four year stretch?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 12, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    To Darrell,

    The federal budget law that mandates the Senate annual submission requirement actually comes in direct accordance with The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, which is thus a current law requirement, allowed for and permitted by the Constitution and enacted as such.
    The specific act and all of it's detail ramifications is too long to quote here, but is not difficult to find by Goggling it.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 12, 2013 6:27 a.m.

    Before zeroing out Obama Care, which will help to ensure that people of lesser income have access to decent health care, ...

    First defund Congressional health care, ...

    In other words, lead by example.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 11, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    David - not sure what to say. Lincoln picked the Central Pacific and Southern Pacific to build the railway west, subsidized them with land grants. Government has picked those who it thought could complete projects and move technology forward many times over through out history.

    LG is hardly a company full of just gamers. Start-ups are traditionally filled with people whose matto is work hard - play hard. Google is a great example of this. It is expecting your employees to spend more than the traditional 40 hours a week, but also providing outlets for when they need a break. It has been the harbinger of startups for the last 30 years.

    Other companies that have benefited from government grants for start-up - Oracle, Intel, IBM's conversion to computers, Boeing, National Semi-conductor..... the list goes on and on.

    So yes, the government does fund winners - but these companies have powered our economy and job growth for decades. I joined Oracle when it had 6,000 employees. It now employees over 100,000. We either decide to compete globally, or we let places like China and India take our jobs and leadership.

    I choose to compete.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    Cancels out Obama care but keeps the revenue increases (taxes) it gathers? Same with the recent 600 billion the Lib's got from the January budget deal! The Ryan budget is another example of how the GOP can't govern but wants to lead. Hey GOP, if those taxes were going to crush the ecoomy and you would not support them why are you using them in this latest farce of a budget?

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 11, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    The Senate is required by the Constitution to submit a national federal budget each and every year. And yet this is the first time it's happened under Obama's administration. It kinda makes a person wonder whatever happened to government accountability.


    Section and clause please

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 11, 2013 4:53 p.m.


    LG Chem was given over $150 million. Perhaps an audit showed the $800,000 returned amount was all that was due. But you only read a part of the story. The $800,000 reimbursed for employees time playing video games, etc. But having receive over $150,000,000 LG still has not produced a single battery.

    I guess Obama's objective is to have a return on that government investment other than better video gamers...but has the objective been reached? Not a single battery produced sounds like very poor oversight, business model, etc.

    Again, another example of Obama's crony capitalism at work with our tax dollars.

    Picking the winners and the losers.

    We can do much better than this.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Paul Ryan's last budget plan was called a farce by the non-partisan CBO. Hope his next one has some meat on the bone and not just another Wish Sandwich.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 11, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    The Senate is required by the Constitution to submit a national federal budget each and every year. And yet this is the first time it's happened under Obama's administration. It kinda makes a person wonder whatever happened to government accountability.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 11, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    @David... you mean this crony capitalism?

    Headline from Forbes online :Michigan Battery Firm LG Chem Returns $842K In Stimulus Funds After Waste Allegations

    And know why they returned the money?

    "“LG Chem Michigan inappropriately claimed and was reimbursed for labor costs that did not support the purpose/objective of the grant, including costs for workers to perform volunteer activities, play games and watch movies during regular work hours,” according to the report by the DOE’s Office of the Inspector General."

    And know who the Inspector General of the DOE works for..... Obama.

    So again - someone cheated the rules, the Obama administration found it, and forced them to return the funds...... and this is an example of Crony Capitalism.

    Its funny how what some call the "full story" just isn't as sensational as the stuff put out by other people who are focused on ratings and the like....

    .... oh wait.... what's next? Forbes is part of the liberal media complex trying to cover this up?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    What is amount under sour grapes?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 11, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    "“Yes, our budget does promote repealing Obamacare and replacing it with a better system,” Ryan said on “Fox News Sunday.”"

    I would support this with one minor provision...... come up with the other plan first - then repeal Obamacare. But just like raising taxes and what that leads to..... this will end the same way. Once repealled, things will gut ugly, and what we will be left with will be actually worse than what we had before Obamacare.

    Do the hard work first. Present your plan. Sell the American public on it. And then kill the other system.

    This is like quitting your job before you have the other offer. Ryan knows better then this... and with that in place... this really nets out to just another bit of political noise. He has no plan. This is all just to puff himself up.

    Paul Ryan, treat the American public like they are not idiots. No more silly rhetoric, get to work on a real solution. Do the hard work the results in the US not having the most expensive in the world.

    Then you can have your little repeal.

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 11, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    What it will not do, National Journal reports, is tackle entitlement reform, as recent budget memos circulating among Senate Democrats have sidestepped health care costs.

    But entitlement and health care costs are the fastest growing segments of the budget. How can Democrats hope to balance a budget without tackling these items...though increased revenue?

    Many Americans do not trust the government to increase revenue and use the increases to balance the budget. Just review the president's State of the Union speech to understand what he plans to do with increased revenues...its not balancing the budget and decreasing our nation's debt.

    Democrats should get serious about federal spending, balancing budgets (its nice that they are putting forward a budget for the first time in 4 years), and then reducing our debt. Once we see that government is sincerely and realistically addresses these issues, then we can trust them with increased revenues to speed up the process.

    But I will oppose further taxes as long as government continues to recklessly spend.

    Obama's crony capitalism has got to go. Read up on LG Chem, the latest fake green energy effort. Wasting tax payer dollars.