Brad Rock: It's not there, but Utah program is heading north

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  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    March 11, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Mcallen, TX
    Evidence the PAC conference is weak.


    Yeah. BYU was so dominant in the WCC they might have earned an NIT bid!
    First you need to win games against your own bottom feeders.

  • Rae M. Bountiful , UT
    March 10, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    Re: "Jim Boylen never won fewer than 13 games, and was fired for it."

    Brad Rock did not mention that Coach K had to find replacements for 12 recruits who suddenly changed their minds (after playing 2 games or fewer)

    Also, one news source reported that Boylen was fired after 4 years of no progress.

    Those 2 factors make a bit of a difference, I think.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    March 10, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    LOL at the comment saying the utes are back?! Comedy doesn't get any better than this. They won 13 games and how many were against teams we have never heard of?

    That was a nice win in their last game so I have to give some credit but this team is nowhere near being back. They lose a bunch with their seniors leaving and I don't recall any big names signing on.

    Those of us that were around when Utah was THE team in the state know that this team has a LONG, LONG way to go. So cheer the improvement and say they are "heading north" but don't claim to be back.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 10, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Nice win, Utes! Keep it going! We need at least one team in the state heading north!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Magna Ute Fan

    Expounding on my comment about Bachinsky ... in eighteen PAC-12 games he had grand totals of 15 points, 13 rebounds, and 6 assists. If I were to add up the turnovers I'm pretty sure there were more of those than his blocks and steals combined (there weren't many).

    In his defense, his minutes were severely cut and there were a few games he didn't even play. But then you'd still have to ask yourself why that was.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    There is no sport where a quicker turnaround is possible than NCAA basketball. Only five players are on the court at a time, and a freshman can be the best player in the country. The Utes have improved in recruiting, coaching, and performance. While I think it will be extremely difficult for them to be at the top of their conference in football with any regularity, in basketball, anything is possible.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:09 a.m.


    We need Moe evidence that the Pac12 conference is weak.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 10, 2013 11:04 a.m.


    "Motorbike, I think our bigger issue is the guard line."

    With all due respect, if our guard line is bad next year, we're in serious trouble. This is the area we are by far the deepest with current talent and incoming recruits.

    Here's who we have ... obviously there won't be room for all of them on the active roster so some will redshirt or go on missions:

    PG - Glen Dean
    PG - Brandon Taylor
    PG - Brandon Miller (Freshman - probably mission bound)
    PG/SG - Delon Wright (Jr College)
    PG/SG - Parker Van Dyke (Freshman - supposedly playing a year before mission)
    SG - Justin Seymour
    SG - Ahmad Fields (Freshman)
    SG/SF - Aaron Dotson
    SG/SF - Dakarai Tucker

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 10, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Magna Ute Fan

    "So you're saying Arizona and Arizona State weren't decent competition?"

    He had a TOTAL of 2 points, 5 rebounds and 4 assists in his combined four games against Arizona and ASU. So yeah, I'm calling Arizona and ASU better than decent competition ... and yeah, Bachinsky disappeared.

    Look, I like the kid and he may still have other issues going on for all we know. I hope he comes back and has an awesome season next year, I am a Ute fan after all. I'm simply being honest and realistic about what we should expect to see based on what we've already seen.

    March 10, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @worf and other haters

    Enjoy it while you can. Like it or not, the Utes are back.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    March 10, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    motorbike- "As for Bachinsky, I've lost faith. He all but disappeared once Utah started playing decent competition."

    So you're saying Arizona and Arizona State weren't decent competition? I agree he disappeared. But I'm not sure it was "decent competition" that caused his disappearance. I think he has shown an ability to compete. It just hasn't been consistent.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 10, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    Motorbike, I think our bigger issue is the guard line. Wright looks to be an instant impact guy, but the only 2 returning guards with extensive experience are Taylor and Dean and they are too small to run out there together. Dotson and Tucker need to get healthy and Seymour needs to improve over the off season. I think the talent is there, but experience in thinner than on the front line, especially if it starts clicking for Olsen and Kovacevic can make the transition from JuCo to the Pac. Couple that with the fact that the core of returning core will have had another year of Coach K's system and playing together under their belt, and I would expect another incremental improvement next year.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    March 9, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    @Worf- seriously....weak conference?? How many PAC-12 teams will be invited to the dance? How many WCC? Oregon's rating was a national ranking, not a PAC-12 rating. How about... Utah, you played great today. You made Utah proud. That would be hard for you,wouldn't it?Oh worf, worf, worf!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:03 p.m.


    I agree with your assessment to a large degree, however I still think we saw some match up problems athletically with several teams at the 4 and 5 this year and it doesn't look to be much different roster-wise going into next year.
    Loveridge is awesome and should only get better. But Lenz doesn't inspire me as his backup. And even Loveridge is at times at a disadvantage mainly because of his height (lack thereof).
    Olsen is looking better everyday but will never be extremely athletic. He'll have some good match ups but will struggle as a starter against solid athletic centers. I do however think Olsen will improve every year ... I just don't anticipate major changes in his sophomore year.
    As for Bachinsky, I've lost faith. He all but disappeared once Utah started playing decent competition. And like you, there's not enough info on the new foreign recruit to get any hopes up there.
    The rest of the problem lies in that our other recruits look good, but are all playing the 1,2 or 3 spots.
    I don't mean to sound doom and gloom, just realistic.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 9, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    Evidence the PAC conference is weak.

    March 9, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    motorbike, Loveridge will be a sophomore and Lenz will be a senior next year, and Bachinsky and Olsen can step into the position as well, depending on the rotation, so I'm not too concerned about the power forward position. Offensively, I think any of them have the skills to complement each other and produce when needed. It's the defensive end they'll really need improvement on, as none of them have showed they can consistently play hard without fouling. But Coach Connor is a great defensive mind and Coach K is great with the bigs, so I have faith in them stepping up. I'll reserve judgment on the Serbian recruit until I've seen him play. But I feel confident that Olsen will really become a star in the low post.

    But I agree with you about the staff, Coaches K and Connor do a great job preparing and leading the team and Slocum is a good recruiter. With a concerted effort of hard work, the future is bright for the team.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 9, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    Hopefully Ute fans will continue to be patient and keep their trust in this coaching staff. Next year is still going to be awfully tough. Utah is adding some nice new talent but they'll be outmatched at center in most games, particularly in the PAC-12. If Bachinsky and Olsen can improve quite a bit then it may not be too bad, but Utah's still lacking athleticism and quickness at that spot. They're also very thin at power forward and will be thin again next year from what it looks like.
    The point is, Ute fans need to be patient. It's one thing for our coaches to coach a good game, but they'll need another couple of good recruiting classes before they'll have a chance to win conference games on a more consistent basis. That said, I believe the consistency will come at some point, as long as we keep this coaching staff together.
    Great game today. Go Utes!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    A good read, Rock. Thanks!

    Go Utes!!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 9, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    "Had they won a few of the aforementioned close ones, Utah’s record would have been downright respectable."

    True. For everyone, too. That's why you play them and some teams win and some don't. But they are moving forward. Slowly.....