BYU basketball: Cougars crash out of West Coast Conference tournament

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  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 11, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    "This team is in dire need of a true point guard. A ball handler who can direct the offense and control the tempo of the game without turning the ball over. Carlino should be relegated to the bench, where he can sub in for Haws as a shooting guard or be on the floor in a three guard offense."

    There may be something here. At one point Carlino came off a screen on a catch and shoot. He looked pretty good doing it. I think it's possible that he could be a better shooter doing that kind of thing than trying to create his own shot at the point. Problem is, what point guard is coming in that could replace him?

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    March 11, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    @Bleed Crimson...
    And u were kept out of the NCAA Tourney and NIT by EVERYONE !

  • OmahaCoug Omaha, NE
    March 10, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    At least this was the first game in a long time when BYU won the second half. Yes, Austin's 3-point attempt late was a bad decision, but there many missed opportunities before then. Nobody other than Davies stepped up in the first half. And, despite Davies' great statistics, he still gives up silly turnovers and commits too many foolish fouls.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 10, 2013 8:27 p.m.


    Davis is listed at 6-9.

    Mika and Worthington are listed at 6-8, they'll be playing center at BYU?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    "But then I am not some psuedo BYU "fan" who tries to pretend to be balanced and fair in a pathetic attempt to ingratiate himself to utah "fans".

    Thanks for the psychoanalysis, but I'm confident you are as unqualified for that as you are to judge whether someone is rational. You are everything you disdain in Chris B and Naval Vet, you just root for a different team. You embarrass Cougar fans, and should you deign to reveal your identity, those who know you would be embarrassed for you.

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    March 9, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    I think the Cougars biggest problem is they just can't shoot well. Utah finished the season strong with two victories. I'm glad we don't have to play the Utes again--I think the Cougars would lose. It is going to be good to get this season over--it has been painful.

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    March 9, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    Not surprised by the loss. They struggled ever since Delavedova hit that three. Down and down after that.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 9, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    RE: reasonableUTE

    "I honestly don't see how the cougars could be any better next year... They need to find a real big man to replace Davies."

    You probably didn't know this because you're not a cougarfan, but BYU has Eric Mika coming next year. ESPN has him ranked as the #3 center in the country. We'll also be getting F/C Luke Worthington who had several offers from top programs. Yes, they're freshman but I don't think the drop-off from Davies to these two will be too dramatic.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    March 9, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    And BYU's NCAA Tournament appearance streak has been snapped in the hand's of San Diego!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 9, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    @ "rational"

    With the talent Rose had to work with this year, especially in the front court, 20+ wins is indeed an accomplishment. But then I am not some psuedo BYU "fan" who tries to pretend to be balanced and fair in a pathetic attempt to ingratiate himself to utah "fans".

    I'm certainly disappointed with the result but I am also not one that expects the NCAA's every single year, 25 wins, every single year, etc. I must be the "rational" one since I understand 7 striaght NCAA's was a great run and this was the inevitable year it didn't happen. We'll see what happens next year but based on the recruits coming in there is a lot to look forward to. Let's see 14th ranked class next year, already the 8th ranked class the following year. Seems to me things are moving along just fine for the future.

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    March 9, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    @duck hunted
    Thank you for apologizing for your language. Anyone who writes "are boys" instead of "our boys" should definitely apologize every time they attempt to say anything.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    March 9, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    Rose is the problem. Without Jimmer and Dave Rice, Rose would already be gone. Doesn't have the athletes for transition but that and run and gun is all they do. Need a coach like Roger Reid to win with lack of talent like this.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    March 9, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    I honestly don't see how the cougars could be any better next year... They need to find a real big man to replace Davies. Austin plays like a little girl. He is constantly looking to flop on defense. The cougars need a big man that isn't afraid to mix it up. If Austin is BYU's big next year, they don't stand a chance. Unless Hawes has a Jimmer type year, BYU is headed for middle of the WCC at best.

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    March 9, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    Sad that folks can post comments that shouldn't even be allowed on the computer without parental supervision.

    This team has gone from averaging 80 points a game for the first 11 games to less than 70 over the last 9 games. Carlino takes far too many shots and Haws takes too few. Carlino is out of control and can't follow Coach's direction. Simply a Loose cannon. Does his own thing without regard to what is best for the team.

    Love Kaufusi, but he needs to stick to football. Brock would not be a starter on any other Rose team except the past two years due to injury. Every possession needs to go thru Davies and Haws and less than 50% touch their hands.

    Rose has lots of problems and the current makeup is disappointing.

    I would suggest they turn down any invitation to the NIT and save what little reputation they have left. Going to a Colorado type program and losing by 20 in the first round will do nothing to help the team or players build confidence for next season.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    West Jordan, UT

    Haws takes way too many shots and that hurts Carlinos game.

    Seriously, how would anyone know what "Carlino's game" is? He is inconsistent, just as poyman said.

    Duckhunter, "still a 20+ game winner and will be in the post season"

    The NCAA takes 66 teams. If you aren't one of the top 66, is there really anything to be proud of? 3rd in the regular season, knocked out by the SIXTH place team in a shallow league. (A 6th place team that beat the Cougars 2 of 3). There isn't a lot to crow about this season.

    But Poyman, why whine about the league. Gonzaga has been able to build a national power, the #1 team in the country in this league. In football, there has been a transition period, but now BYU will be playing a very respectable schedule. The problem isn't circumstance, it is performance. Perform, and football and basketball will have all the opportunity they want.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    March 9, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    As usual, I would like to have seen more of Kaufusi out there than 7 minutes. It doesn't do any good to have the weapon and not use it.

    I believe that individual preparation of each player has handicapped this team. Talent was there, but we didn't get each player up to his capability.

    Then fashion an offense that takes into consideration the areas of strength for each player.(Except for Haws and Davies, that was taken into consideration). We can not only fashion an offense after 2 players. That is too easy to shut down. Rose has his "go to" players, and the rest are fluff. That can't be. Yes, we have talent levels among players, but your scoring has to be more even. The Jimmer approach is not working.

    Check out Lone Peak, any guy could do it for them on any given night. Check out Gonzaga. How easy would it be to hand the ball to Olenyk every time. Mark Few won't do this. Team basketball where everyone is important, is how to win. We don't need the Jimmer/Kobe mentality which paralyzes teams. Dave Rose is stuck in Jimmer/Kobe land.

  • ParkerCoug12 Parker, CO
    March 9, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Coach Rose stuck with his seniors last night. Davies was the only one that played well. Cusic got lit up like a roman candle on defense.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    March 9, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Cheer up Gougar fans we still have a lot to cheer for with our Volleyball team reaching Nbr one in the country and the season winding down. We are looking real good for another National Title and Rugby is just starting up. How lucky we are to cheer for a University that has many sports that compete and are rated very high in so many of them. We could be rooting for some lowly teams that are at or near the bottom of a so called "elite" conference, and then can't even field teams to compete in all the sports.

    Yes, we are very lucky to be cheering for all our teams, all year round!

    GO GOUGS.......All year through.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    March 9, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Darn refs got us again, plus how are we expected to win against a powerhouse program like that

  • fireonthemtn Reno, NV
    March 9, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    This team is in dire need of a true point guard. A ball handler who can direct the offense and control the tempo of the game without turning the ball over. Carlino should be relegated to the bench, where he can sub in for Haws as a shooting guard or be on the floor in a three guard offense.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    We didn't have a good solid defense like we have had in the past with Hartsock, Jackson, and Aubuo. This team couldn't defend man to man...only zone. We also lacked leadership and chemistry. That's why Dave Rose kept shifting his starting lineup, trying to find a group that worked together. Great bunch of guys, however. I hope next year we get a guard who isn't sporadic like Carlino. Looking forward to Mika (big guy) from Lone Peak. He's a play maker!

    On the other hand, wow, did you see National #1 BYU win 3 sets in a row against Cal Baptist last night in Men's Volleyball? Catch another great matchup tonight on BYUtv at 7 PM at home. Our guys always come out fired up and prepared and hungry to win. Watch #11 and #15--dynamite! Cal Baptist is a good team and will come gunning for them.

    Go Cougars!

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Dave Rose is a good coach but he has a long way to go to be a great coach. He lacks the ability to instill confidence in his players. He also has not learned to develop players that would have prevented this loss.

    Their two biggest weaknesses are perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. Yet their best perimeter defender (Delgado) never got developed. Second Ambrosino and Delgado shot 44% and 42% respectively last year at JC level. Many will say that it is easier to shoot at the JC level, because of the lower quality defense, however defense is a non-factor. How many contested 3 point shots did Cusick or Zylstra take this year? Having watched every game I know the answer is NONE. So the only thing stopping Ambrosino and Delgado from shooting 40%+ is is confidence and player development. (Playing the WCC should be an advantage for JC players as they are used to the small gyms).

    Developing players and instilling confidence were major failures this season. Cusick and Zylstra are now gone. What is the status of the two best 3-point shooters for next year? Will they even play?

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    "Haws takes way too many shots and that hurts Carlinos game." I think you meant that the other way around. Carlino is the problem with this team.

    And we missed so many easy shots at the rim...every player was guilty. If you can't finish at the rim, you can't win. I'm guessing the issue is talent. Rose has proven he's a coach. He probably got more wins out of this team than he should have.

  • Glad to be Retired Bountiful, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    San Diego played good fundamental patient basketball. BYU played "panic basketball". BYU would have won had they used the same style as SD!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    I don't get it. Were easily the most talented team in WCC.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Rose is one of the best coaches in the country. We are very fortunate to have him!

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Off to the NIT, Maybe.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    March 9, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Tough year but they never quit. 20 wins is tempered by playing in the 10th rated conference. Imagine if the Cougs played in the big 12 this year.

  • Buffalo1 McLean, VA
    March 9, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Some perspective on this: Yes, we are as bad as it looked last night. The game was a mercy killing, and I'm not looking forward to the NIT either. However, all of you -- and especially Poyman -- the program is not imploding! They've been to the NCAA's the last seven years; life is still good. This year Rose lost 2 of his 3 key big men right at the start of the season. It's a coaching miracle that he got 20+ wins out of this group. Next year he begins to fill the "big man" pipeline again with solid recruits. Hang tough. As long as they have Rose, they'll have a basketball program. Regarding football, I think we can all agree that we would rather be in the Big-12. It ain't in the cards -- at least for the foreseeable -- so we're working Option #2 as best we can. The upcoming schedule is great. [We just have to hope that the retooled offense is up to the drill by fall.] In other words, we're as well off as we can be. Cheer up folks, the glass is half full! Buffalochp1 sends ... take care!!!

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    March 9, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    The Y's problem continues to be their lack of recruiting outside the Wasatch Front. When 50% of their recruits played high school ball within 20 miles of Provo, the Y needs to expand their recruiting efforts beyond the Wasatch Front.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    March 9, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Too many church ballers on the team.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    March 9, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    You can't win when you only have two D1 players on your team. Rose and his staff has to do a better job recruiting.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 9, 2013 9:28 a.m.


    Finally a cougar fan that's not afraid to voice his real feelings. More of you Y fans should put you're pride and arrogance aside and speak up. It would benefit the future of sports at BYU.

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    March 9, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    @ Kralon,

    I agree.

    @ Rockarolla,

    Haws shot a lot out of necessity. He was very dependable. I'm not buying it hurt Carlino's game. He was out of control way too much. I believe next year will be better, but I am worried about out big men. I am skeptical that we can rely on Freshmen - Mica, and Worthington.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    March 9, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    I think other folks have already said it, but the reality is that this year's BYU men's basketball team was not very talented. Coach Rose definitely has done the best he can with what he has. The Cougars last night turned the ball over too many times and did not shoot very well. They missed too many free throws and could not make any three pointers. You have to give it to San Diego though. The Toreros played with a lot of grit and nothing to lose, since their season record doesn't even bring them close to getting an invitation to the Big Dance. I guess the Cougars will have to settle on the Small Dance this year. I still love my Cougs though. Future seasons look great, especially when the Lone Peak boys get off their missions. Finally, let's wish Gonzaga well in this tournament and at the Big Dance. Seeing them take it all during March Madness will raise up the WCC as a whole.

  • charisol Smithfield, UT
    March 9, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    The WCC has the nations number one team and a legitimate all American player. The other teams seem to be able to recruit enough good players to beat BYU.

  • charisol Smithfield, UT
    March 9, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    When Carlino figures out that it's not about the shoes and the leggings they will be a much better team. And then the DNews encourages this foolishness by mentioning the shoes in the article. Stop with the shaved head, the leggings, and the blue shoes. Just play ball. Get serious.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    March 9, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    So what about the physical presence and "edge" we read about yesterday? This game was beyond embarrasing, yet a typical game for the Cougs this year. They deserved the loss, pure and simple. Interesting note section-- I could care less about Carlino's "bright blue" shoes. Whoe cares? Also, Austin presence had little if any impact. The 3 rebound "advantage" was far from a game changer. Although Austin's 3-point attempt with under 2 minutes left certainly was. Very poor shot selection, and he wasn't alone in that. Let's put 15-20 pounds on Austin and get him to be a little more of a presence inside. I don't need a 6'-10" kid attempting 3's.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 9, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    This is very disappointing. I'm not sure what all of the reasons are for this last half of the season fade but it is obvious this team just never had the chemistry it needed to be an NCAA team. I don't wish to pile on as it is still a 20+ game winner and will be in a post season tournament but it is a team that seems to have underachieved, the 1st of Coach Rose's teams that I would lable with that moniker.

  • Boo Ya!!! Richfield, UT
    March 9, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    OUch. Rebuilding? Next year?

    Cant wait to see the answers from everyone (Except Coach Rose who is a great coach).

    Post away!!!

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    March 9, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    Too bad about the loss but honestlyt he best fit for the Cougs is in the NIT where they could do some damage and play at home. Go coug.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 9, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    "We didn't play as well as we're capable of, but that was due to San Diego's defensive pressure."

    "But all the credit in the world to San Diego, because their game plan and they way they executed made it difficult for us to get over that edge."

    Props to Coach Rose and Craig Cusick. That's sportsmanship. I've never heard bronco say anything like that.
    I was impressed by Brandon Davies's play this year. He's got a future in pro ball.
    Good luck to the Runnin' Utes this afternoon and in their tournament.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    March 9, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    A real reality check for the Cougar basketball program.

  • Duckhunted provo, UT
    March 9, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Gosh o golly darn are boys we're fouled all night...sorry for my language, but i'm mad. those umpires cheated our good boys from our win.. we are a national brand!!GOLLY DANG I'm A MAD COUGAR!!!

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    March 9, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    I'll say it again, the cougars do not block out on rebounds. They watch and go for the ball instead of blocking out and making sure the other team can't get the ball. This is an 8th grade level issue. Plus last night they looked slow on both offense and defense. I hate to say it but we should expect them to lose in the first round of whatever tournament they get into.

  • Lee Corso American Fork, UT
    March 9, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Despite the lack of great talent it was surprising to see a Coach Rose team get worse as the season went along.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 9, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    Everyone except Davies played awful in the first half. I know every play has an impact on the game, but after we had crawled back into it; the two plays that seemed to be the dagger were:

    1. Haws turnover in the final minutes. After Davies poked the ball away for a steal, Haws threw the lame duck pass that was picked off. Ouch. Mistakes happen. I know he wishes he had that one back.

    2. Austin shooting a three at the end of the game. Why? Why? Why? He has one of the lowest percentages from behind the arc. There is still plenty of time on the shot clock. Davies has the hot hand. When that shot went up, I knew the game was over.

    If those two possessions had gone differently, the win probably goes to the Cougs.

    I'm not even expecting that great of a seed heading to the NIT now.

    Not sure what to expect next year? Losing Davies will be a big loss. K. Colinsworth is a nice addition. Unless our Sophomores (Haws, Carlino, Austin, Sharp) improve dramatically, I'm expecting a similar season next year with 20 - 22 wins.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    March 9, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    One and done. The NCAA and NIT may both be out of reach, now. Maybe there's an N.O.T tourney. What a sad year. But what a great bunch of young men. I wish them all great futures. I look forward to next year. Go Cougars.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    March 9, 2013 6:20 a.m.

    Utah the Jazz, so go the Cougars. Maybe we have more important things to worry about.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 9, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    I watched this team play in Brooklyn. There were some good signs, if they could find leadership, consistency, and players who would step up. I thought they would gel and pull it together. They never did. This has to be one of the most head-scratching, frustrating teams I have ever seen.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 9, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    A tough loss for a team that has frankly had a hard time all season long performing well when the game was on the line. This bunch has just not had anyone that could step up in the crunch. Even the free throw shooting has been down this year.

    Speaking objectively, take away Jimmer, and you would probably say the same of the team for several years now. As much as I like Dave Rose, I don't see that he gets the best performance out of his players, who come from no different background than say, the kids who play for Coach Lewis at Lone Peak, but who seem to get it done in tournament play.

    Am I the only one here who feels unfulfilled come March Madness by BYU's 20 some odd wins in regular season?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 9, 2013 1:51 a.m.

    Rose is a fantastic coach, but his teams are seldom competitive in tournaments for some reason.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 9, 2013 1:50 a.m.

    Truth is we just weren't very good this year... We had only 2 solid consistent players all year long and every once in awhile Carlino would show up...

    Sure, we were good enough to beat less talented teams like Utah (in fact, I think that we ran the state) but not good enough to compete consistently at a high level...

    That leads me to the question of when we will be able to return to that level... The incompetence of the Administration and our AD in getting us into a bigger and better Conference for all sports is hurting our recruiting efforts and it is starting to show up on the Fields as well as the Courts...

    We are challenged from both a scheduling standpoint and from a player recognition standpoint... A large percentage of recruits believe they have the skill base to eventually play at the next level and they want to be "showcased"... Being independent in Football and playing Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State in November does not a "showcase provide"... I also think that that is true with the WCC (albeit that Gonzaga is an outlier)... 8 schools with populations of about 5,000???

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2013 12:49 a.m.

    I hope the Cougs can rebound and play well in the NIT. I also hope everyone now knows that this years team just wasn't that good. Haws takes way too many shots and that hurts Carlinos game. Davies is the only legitament big man on this team. Coach Rose did a great job with this bunch of guys. I don't think another coach could have won 10 games with this group. Better luck next year!

    March 9, 2013 12:43 a.m.

    Feel a little sorry for the team, they seemed to try too hard and just couldn't pull it together for a complete game. Seemed to mostly play better as the year went on, but not as much improvement as opposing teams.

    Still love my Cougars!

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 9, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    Typical attendance numbers for a WCC game.