Alta principal hopes to leverage football success in helping all sports

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  • Prep Fan 89 Draper, UT
    March 8, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Proud To Be American is correct. You cannot talk to a prospective out of boundary kid prior to them either attending your school or establishing their eligibility at that school. If a kid lives in that school's boundary, then the coach can recruit his own kid all he wants. But if the kid lives in another school's boundary, they cannot discuss anything about their athletics program or else they are guilty of undue influence.

    I have been around high school sports for 20 years, that is the correct interpretation of the rule. There are many coaches out there that choose not to follow it, but that is another story for a different time.

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    March 8, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    It is always interesting to see how people like to interpret the rules.

    From the handbook, the part that you conveniently skipped over:

    "The use of undue influence by any person, connected with or not connected with a member school, to secure the enrollment or transfer of a student to a member school for the purpose of participation in Association athletics activities is prohibited."

    That means a coach, booster, principal, AD, etc. cannot talk to a prospective athlete prior to their eligibility establishment at their school UNLESS they are already living in their boundaries. Technically if a kid plays for a high school and his dad talks to another dad about his son who plays on his son's AAU team and lures them to transfer or come to that school, that is a violation too.

    It's pretty clear cut in writing, whether or not you choose to see the truth in it is up to you.

  • Thucydides Herriman, UT
    March 8, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Clearly you have no experience in high school athletics. The rule applies to recruitment, that is, contact initiated by the coach or anyone associated with the coaching staff. If an out of boundary student/parent attends a camp and approaches the coach with questions about his/her program that is not undue influence. If you do not believe me call the UHSAA and educate yourself.

    From the Handbook:

    "Recruitment is a form of undue influence and is broadly defined as the use of undue influence or special inducement by anyone on behalf or for the benefit of a member high school which attempts to influence a student to enroll or transfer to a member school for the purpose of participating in athletics."

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    March 7, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    Thucydides you are actually wrong. Per the UHSAA rules, an out of boundary parent is not allowed to go and discuss athletic related items with a coach prior to their son/daughter establishing their eligibility. It is called "undue influence". Go read the UHSAA Handbook Section 10A and 10B. That will clearly define the rule for you, and educate you on what you clearly know very little about.

    Open enrollment is a choice parents have about where their son/daughter should be able to receive the best education possible. It has nothing to do with sports, which are a privilege, not a right.

  • GameGear Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    The article says that contracts with Under Armour and other major brands is such a good thing for parents, student athletes and tax payers. However, it neglects to discuss the deeper issues. Those monies benefit companies that use off shore manufacturing which sends many American jobs elsewhere. It mentions that Under Armour is giving 40% off. This is comical because they are still making a lot of money at 40% off because they pay such a small fraction of labor costs as compared to the minimum wage here in the USA.

    There are local athletic manufacturer here in Utah ( ) that makes very similar quality products at 25% less…and they are never discussed. Everyone likes to talk about the big brands…but no one likes to report the deeper issues of American vs. foreign jobs. You would think that during the most economic difficulties this country has experienced since the great depression, we would write about and seek alternatives to create more American jobs or demand that these companies bring their factories back to America…or even better…let’s give Utah companies like Game Gear some credit for surviving for over 50 years while maintaining “MADE IN THE USA.”

  • chimer Louisville, KY
    March 7, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    You are absolutely right! They can ask whatever questions they want such as what are your team rules? What kind of offense do you run? What major sponsors do you have? Nike? haha However, when they start asking questions like "my kid is 6'5 200 and if I bring him to you what kind of playing time can you promise him?" then it is illegal. Now, that's a fact...Jack!

  • Thucydides Herriman, UT
    March 7, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    actually Chimer coaches can talk to parents who approach them with questions about their program... it's called open enrollment check your facts

  • chimer Louisville, KY
    March 7, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Ok so if they don't recruit, as you say, they should not accept or talk to parents trying to bring their kids to their school, duh! Did you know that is acutally illegal to speak to a parent outside of your schools boundaries? Very few live that rule. All it would take is a coach to say I can't do anything for you. You're not a student here. But if they do that the next coach will snatch him up. That will continue until UHSAA starts to enforce their very own rules across the board. But this is an entirely different discussion...a very, very long one. UHSAA, thats who to blame! But because no one has the guts to stick up for whats right, or hold UHSAA accountable for their lack of commitment towards fair play, then it will continue on and on and on....whether it be sponsors or recruiting or whatever.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    March 7, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Whos to blame thehm???

    Under Armour

    Make so much money!
    They should give more, and just sponsor teams all around

    Im sorry, but high school football coaches rarely recruit.
    its parents who recruit there kids to go to high schools and decide as Freshman where they wanna go.
    There a kid who s a linemen in the bingham little league, 8th grader, he is a beast on the offensive and defensive line right... his dad has went to Corner canyon, jORDAN, bINGHAM and Herriman to see where his kid can play right away, slash which is the best place to get him to the next level and become better.

    Obviously he loves Bingham, but who knows if he could even play varsity till junior year.
    But Bingham has had the most D1 signees since 2005.

    Still i THINK the coach is right, you can seriously use all the money football generates and help other programs!

  • chimer Louisville, KY
    March 7, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Oh good! yet another way big shcools with a lot of money can recruit athletes from other school zones. "Come play for us you get awesome new jerseys, shoes, & practice gear every year and don't have to pay for them!"..which frees up fundraised money for traveling expenses perhaps to other states. Utah High School athletics is becoming a giant embarrassment! Public Education/Athletics are suppose to stand for equal opportunity for everyone. Now the schools who play by the rules and play with the students within their school boundaries (and perhaps in a lower income area) are once again at a huge disadvantage! In addition, we praise administration for saying "Hey wait a minute football gets away with it...lets try all the sports!" Of course the school board passes's their kids in the school. Where is the UHSAA in this decision? Hey, if every school gets to decide on which big name brand is going to be their sponsor then great, but we all know that is unrealistic therefore an equal playing field is unrealistic! WAKE UP PEOPLE! (quotaions are assumed conversations, not actual quotes)

  • Thucydides Herriman, UT
    March 7, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    "They're having to pay a lot of money to play," he said. "This is a step in the direction of easing that burden."

    That is like complaining about the "burden" of having to pay for the cost of going to Disneyland.

    If you can't or won't pay for the costs associated with participating in athletics, a choice and a privilege, you are not entitled to have someone else pay them for you, or ease your "burden". When did we lose perspective on this?

  • spartaman Sandy, UT
    March 7, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    Mr Montero is the man!

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    March 6, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    Football success? I'm pretty sure the basketball team had more success than the football team did.