@atl34Of course lone peak was content, they were multiple possesions
ahead, and they knew that they had the defensive power to shut out
brighton's last second plays. that's why they didn't go out to
defend...they didn't need to
I truly hope Utah high school will implement a shot clock (35 second)without any
further delay. This will greatly enhance prep hoops in the state and avoid the
disgrace witnessed vs Brighton. Does anyone remember the two girls from Alberta,
Canada who played at UVU a few years ago? Robin Fairbanks(Raymond H.S.)and
Julie MacMurray(Cardston H.S.) were both on State Championship teams in H.S. It
was here they got so used to attacking the basket aggressively. Currently in
Alberta we have a 24 sec. shot clock and the half-court time line is 8 seconds.
Incredibly entertaining basketball to watch. Cardston H.S. cougars(boys) won the
state title just one year ago. We likely could not even carry water for Lone
Peak. But then again nobody else could either.
You stall for the same reason a football team passes on every down while taking
all of the 25 sec clock to do it. That is, we're not good enough to go head
to head the only chance is to shorten the game so hopefully just a few points
will separate the two teams or get a lucky long pass or long shot to stay in the
realm of possibility. Coaches forget that #1 this is entertainment so
ypu're supposed to put on a good show and secondly, the fans appreciate any
team that guts it out by trying to really compete and play the best they can
whether they're up by 1 or 20. Both teams will look back on this as having
been a very unsatisfying championship game. In the old days Frank Arnold
would just hate to play Wyoming and UTEP because they used "jap"
offenses. As a recognition of PC, the term today for a gimmicky b-ball or
football offense or defense is "junk". Wyo came into a Fri night MC
packed to hold the ball until a min or so was gone and then shoot averaging
I think a lot of you are forgetting one little detail. At any point Lone Peak
could've sent a player over to try and take the ball away but chose not to.
Both schools were content to let this continue.
At the very least, the UHSAA should implement a 35-second shot clock for the
playoffs.Leave it up to each region to decide when to implement the
shot clock for all teams in their region.That way, no one can squawk
about it being too expensive, which is a farce anyway.
I thought the UHSAA had agreed to implement a shot clock beginning with the
2015-16 season. The fact that no one else has mentioned that leads me to think
that was a pipe dream of mine. Maybe that was the next time the issue would be
put to a vote. Someone out there must have the info to fill us in on the status
of the shot clock issue for Utah HS hoops. Please, someone in the know, fill us
in on the process and prospects of shot clock implementation!
My bad my bad! Brighton only made it to the semis! Hey all I'm saying was
good try with the gimmick. I wouldn't start throwin disrespect their way
lol at all the people thinking that holding a ball for 11 minutes while down 3+
possesions was a good strategy...brighton just didn't wanna lose by as much
as they did last year, did it work..yeah they only lost by 25 instead of 30.
as others have said it might of been better if it was a 1 possesion game.
brighton was wasting down the clock, it was poor play calling on the coaches
part, and all of brightons players had their season stolen right from under
HSBasketball23 - they did not make it to the finals two years in a row. Check
your facts.When you are trailing by 7 points in the first quarter,
holding the ball for 12 straight minutes is hardly a 'strategy'. Had
they held the ball up 5-4, I could see that. They were trying not to lose by as
many points as they did last time and they failed. 'Strategy' would
have been using the clock and being deliberate with every possession. What
Brighton did was stand there and hold the ball. They did not pass, dribble, or
shoot. They just stood there at mid-court holding the ball. Pathetic!If you want to give props to anyone, give them to Alta for coming out and
playing them. I will always respect a fighter, and Alta showed who they are by
coming out and playing their best. Brighton put their tails between their legs.
Wow! All these people that think this coach is playing the game to "please
the crowd" this coach had his reasons for this strategy. Sometimes I find it
funny that all these people say Brighton was "scared" or they were
afraid.. Lets think about it, they were playing the #1 team in country..
I'm pretty sure this gimmick was purely a chance to slow the role of this
amazing team. Give Brighton some respect. This coach has gotten his team to
state finals two years a row. Some one please let me know if we should start
letting "the crowd" tell coaches how to coach! So yes the people on here
disrespecting Brighton or their coach PATHETIC! Kuddos to both teams! Lone peak
is simply amazing period! Brighton good luck next year!
It's so funny that all these people are hating on the fact that this team
tried a gimmick to beat the #1 team in the country! I'm all for it, their
not playing the game to please the "crowd" they're trying to win.
And if that's how they thought they could then whats the problem. If you
know basketball you would know that. And again if they would of beat Lone Peak
then what.. Would we have heard that this tactic was genius.. Brighton deserves
respect for what they have done this year. For those that are coming at the
coach.. Please grow up.. He's trying to play the game and lead his team to
a W.. With what ever it may take. "Scream fear" ha.. We're talking
about the #1 team in the country so yes I'm sure any body playing this team
is trying to find ways to slow them down.. Unfortunately it didn't work
but kudos to Brighton for making it there.
It was a perfectly legitimate strategy, even though some of you might not like
it. Take what strategy you can to win the game. People don't like
intentional walks in baseball, but it sometimes works. It doesn't make
them cowards, it is just trying to limit the opponent's strengths. Some of
you are saying it is embarrassing because they didn't try to man up and go
toe to toe. Would you continuously send your running back at the best defensive
line around to prove that you could go toe to toe, or would you try to pass or
develop some new scheme like the spread offense or use some trickeration. Until
they get a shot clock, the strategy Brighton used is legitimate.
I went to several HS Basketball games this year and although I didn't
witness a team hold the ball and stall for 11 minutes, I did see multiple games
where possessions went over the 4 minute mark. This isn't a
"strategy" it is an admission that our athletes can't compete with
yours and therefore we have zero chance of beating you without sticking it to
the student athletes, student sections, parents, etc. What this adds up to is
the UHSAA has to put in a shot clock for next season. It simply is time and
overdue. Fans do not want to come to the games and watch great student athletes
hold the ball at the top of the key. They want to see these athletes get up and
down the court and compete every possession. Not to mention, those who are lucky
enough to continue their education through athletics in college will be better
@romorgI remember, I went to Provo in the 80's and am as
familiar with both MV and TV at that time as anyone, but there was a difference.
All Brighton did was come over half court and then just stand there with the
ball. It wasn't a slow down, it was simply not playing at all. If you are
LOSING, as Brighton was, then you need to score at some point to have a shot at
winning, they weren't even tyring to do anything, they were litterally
standing there. That is not a strategy unless your strategy is just to not give
up any more points and not try to score any yourself.
You play to win the game. Slowing it down was probably brightons best chance to
win. Coaches try to put their team in the best situation to win and i would
agree that slowing it way down would be the best shot against this lone peak
team...they probably should have started a little earlier though when they were
Terrible sportsmanship from Lone Peak fans booing at a game. Total lack of
class. And to make matters worse they come on this site and whine and moan when
the other team was following the rules of the game. To whine and cry about Coach
Gardner stopping the ball just after the half court line and NOT whine and cry
about Coach Lewis refusing to have his players leave the 3 point line to attack
the ball is the same thing... both coaches were using strategy. As
for the players... they practiced this routine. They were counting on drawing
LOne Peak out to attack the ball, leaving a 4 on 4 match up giving Brighton a
better chance of winning. So, the players were part of the planning. It's a
team game.The Lone Peak whiners were just as sad they didn't
get to see the typical LP slaughter (only up by 7 points at half, up by 5 points
in the 3rd quarter when they usually are up by 30) just like Goliath roared and
whined at David for not gong toe-to-toe with Goliath. Smart coaching. Total
Why not have a shot clock in Utah high school basketball? Makes sense to me. I
am sure the players would play with improved skill and the fans would enjoy and
be more involved.
Please allow me to add at least one merciful kudo to Coach Gardiner and his
young men by pointing to a long-ago (1967) and far away state tournament down in
Oklahoma. My high school team won their regional final with a miracle half
court shot and crept into the state tournament with a pathetic 12-10 record-a
true Cinderella team.Paired against the defending state champs from
Norman HS who featured a front line of 6-9, 6-7, 6-7 giants our coach
implemented a four corner stall shortly after we took a 2-0 lead. There were at
least two quarters with no points scored by either team. Our center was only
6-4 and with a couple of good ballhandlers, we were able to keep their big guys
out of the game and eventually won 13-10 to advance to the second round where we
were trounced by the number 2 team by almost 40 points.Give the
Brighton coach a break, as this strategy might have worked had he started it
with a lead. Boring indeed, but it may have given Brighton at least half a
chance. Go Knights!!
Although it makes for boring basketball, I don't blame the Brighton coach
at all. He is right, his job is to win the game and he made a bold decision to
try and keep it close.
I moved to Alpine from California 6 years ago and in the first Lone Peak game I
went to, Bingham High came out and did the same stall tactic that Brighton tried
and it didn't work for them either. I was shocked to learn that there
isn't a shot clock in Utah high school basketball because there has been a
shot clock in California for as long as I can remember. So, there observations:
1) Get a shot clock in Utah high school basketball. Lone Peak has put Utah high
school basketball on the national map but having to play in a ridiculous farce
of a game like they did against Brighton sets the state back in a huge way. 2)
Coaches of teams playing Lone Peak - stalling doesn't work. It's been
done before and it never works so let your kids play. 3) Any team that
doesn't come out and put forth their best effort cheats the kids, the game,
the fans, the families of the players and everyone involved. These kids
haven't spent years and years working out, training and developing their
skills to come out and stall half the game. That was pathetic!
Rational --Not playing at all is not a strategy, it's not
playing.It would have been fine if Brighton had taken 2-3 minutes
for each possession by dribbling and passing around and then finally shooting
it, but just standing there is not playing. It's boring -- for the players,
the fans, and everyone else involved.
If only there was a way to eliminate stalling from the game of
Coach Mac would not of done that ever at Brighton, but they picked Coach gardner
instead and he is a younger guy... play lock down defense... push them around,
play the game!
@LP SupporterIf you've been watching HS basketball for 40 years
you should be aware that Timpview, under the guidance of Tim Lewis
(Quincy's father), used the same tactic against Mt View 30 years ago. Timpview was strong at the guard spots with small but quick big men and
Mt View had the the towering Pollards. You use what tactics are available to
you in order to compete. It's not about losing by less, it's about
doing what you need to do in order to have the best chance of victory...no
matter how small that chance.
I wish college basketball would get rid of the stupid shot clock.
Slow-down-strategy games have been some of the most exciting I have ever
watched. Bring back the fun!
He simply employed a totally legal strategy within the rules. You may not like
it, but it was a strategy, not "cowardly." If you have a problem with
it, then you better get on some lobbying committee to implement a shot clock.
I believe in using the rules to your advantage and that's what Brighton was
doing. Until there is a Shot Clock, stalling(although unexciting) will be a
considered strategy by all coaches in a similar circumstance. I am from LP and
I have been waiting for someone to stall on LP all year and I wouldn't be
surprised if Alta did it in the State game. I think Brighton's mistake was
giving in to the crowd and not sticking to their strategy. It was their only
hope to keep the game within a couple possessions and they gave that up in the
Rational:You are over-thinking this one. This wasn't strategy,
it was a poor decision. Brighton wasn't trying to lull the defense into
lethargy to try and get an open shot. They weren't even trying to spread
the defense to open up the floor so they could get a good shot. In fact, they
didn't even care if they had an open shot - Brighton wasn't going to
try to shoot period. If you are up by 7, that might not be a bad strategy, but
being down by 7 makes it a slow suicide. The idea of holding the ball the whole
game so you are as close as possible in the end in hopes of getting a lucky
basket might even make sense if the score was 3-2, but the Bengals were down by
7, at least 3 normal possessions.No, this was not strategy - It was
a poor decision. And it was a disservice to the Bengals, the Knights and the
I love games with strategy. College basketball became much less fun to watch
with the advent of the shot clock.
I'm no coach, but if I'm behind by 14-7 in a game, I don't stall,
because then I don't score. And if I don't score, I don't have a
prayer of winning, so why am I even there.
Brighton was not going to win, no matter what they did. Why didn't the
coach tell them that and then tell them to go out there and have some fun. Those
boys will never have a chance to play against such a formidable opponent again
and they could have had a lot of fun without the nemisis of a must win situation
hanging over their heads.The coach should have simply said let's do our
best and have fun against these guys.
Obviously coach Gardner has been watching the u of u play and decided to emulate
"krystkowiak ball". This is exactly how utah plays with the exception
being they are forced to eventually shoot because of the shot clock. They seek
to slow the game down to nothing more than a crawl, if that, and not score any
points in a vain attempt to keep games close. It is horribly ugly and boring.Yes I know there is some "strategy" involved in it but it
isn't a good strategy. It basically makes a mockery of the game.
You play to win the game. Brightons best chance to win the game was to slow it
down. As a coach you should put your kids in the best position to win the game.
I feel this is what the coach was doing. Most of you that are saying this was
pathetic, probably dont have a clue about coaching. Sorry.
There is no other way to spin this game than to say Brighton didn't man up
and try to play toe to toe. It was so awkward that even the announcers were
saying silly things like, "Well they're not losing as bad as last
year." Brilliant. Plus why stall when you are down by 7? re:rational- are you really trying (desperately) to defend holding the
ball for 71/2 minutes? That may be a strategy but it screams weakness and
Absolutely nothing wrong with what Brighton was trying to do.I know
it is sports but compare it to war. If you are outmanned you don't run
your soldiers into the line of fire only to be destroyed. You use strategy to
try to lure the enemy out of their strongholds. Brighton
didn't break any rules and did what they thought would give them the best
chance to win. Was it exciting to watch, no. But they aren't there to
entertain the crowd. They are there to win.I credit the coach with
having enough guts to give it a shot.
Why don't all you Brighton-bashers look at how Coach Lewis of Lone Peak
evaluated the Brighton stall - he thought it was perfectly legitimate .In addition, if you looked at the Brighton players going into the locker room
at halftime, they were really fired up! Being down only 7 at the half has
rarely happened this year vs. Lone Peak (and not once in Utah this season).
They were also fired up coming onto the floor after halftime. Don't put
words in the Brighton players' mouths - they were fully on board with the
plan to try and beat the unbeatable Knights.My only criticism of
Gardner is he didn't carry it far enough! Once he decided to go this
direction he should have done the same in the 3rd quarter and halfway into the
4th. Down 7 with 4:00 left in the 4th - theoretically anything could have
happened!As a LP fan I was very nervous during the halftime break,
more nervous than in any other game this year in Utah. Fortunately Coach Lewis
and the LP team had a response for the stall - a combination of patience and
If you are a coach or player the rules are there for you to use. I hated to see
the stall tactic used but it was legal and they were using the rules for, as
they thought, their advantage. Lone Peak showed they were the much better team.
I would have loved to have seen a faster paced game, but you have to try
different things to win.
Pathetic -- the comments, I mean. If you don't want strategy, go watch a
pickup game. If Brighton had won, he'd be hailed as the smartest coach
ever. BTW, didn't Dean Smith, Michael Jordan's hero, run the four
Pretty much everyone has said it here. Embarrassing and sad are the two words I
can use to describe the stalling situation by Brighton. By doing what they did
it made Brighton look like cowards afraid to play against the big boys. Their
coach should have let them play even if they lost by 30 or more. Robbing people
of being able to play the sport they put hours into is a disgrace. What a lesson
Gardner is going to learn from this. You never give up in games. Gardner did
that with 3 minutes left in the first quarter. What a shame.
It didn't bother me at all that Brighton implemented what it thought was
its best chance to win. I remember Wyoming doing this to BYU many decades ago
before the shot-clock was put into action. I have no interested in either team
that played in this game, but I have no problem with what I saw on the court.
Brighton was not going to run with LP. Its only shot at winning was the slow the
game as much as possible. Even that didn't work, but it gave them a chance.
"Sometimes you’re the pigeon and sometimes you’re the statue.
Tonight, I was the statue."Way to go coach.Not only
were you the statue, but you made your kids share the embarrassment of being
statues with you.Was it really worth it?
The kids worked hard all summer on their game. They came early to school and
hit the weight room to increase their strength. The the season started and they
did conditioning everyday.....running ladders, suicides, and endless drills.
They had a dream of finishing off their senior season by making it into the
state tournament and representing themselves, their families, their school, and
each other with dignity and class. They are fortunate and make it to the semi
final game in the state tournament. Then the coach decides to teach them a life
lesson. Let's utilize your skills and stamina that you have made
tremendous sacrifice to achieve, and showcase it by standing there, holding the
ball, and looking stupid. What a dis-service to these kids. Coach, this is not
the ending we dreamed about. Embarassing. Let us compete and LEAVE IT ALL ON
Lone Peak has put Utah basketball on the map. With the #1 ranking and recent
national attention, this team has done nothing but great things for the respect
and reputation of Utah high school basketball.Brighton completely
undid all of those positives tonight in a gutless performance! I am totaly
embarrassed for the Brighton parents, players, and fans tonight. I hope that
this game does not make national news, what a pathetic strategy tonight by
Brighton. Utah desperately needs a shot clock, but the sad thing is
the UHSAA will continue to make excuses as to why Utah can't get one.
Sad. Pretty, pretty sad. What a pathetic scene. Great lesson for the kids, eh,
coach? Trust me, Brighton, you are not Princeton.
I genuinely felt sorry for the senior players on Brighton. What the coach did
was to deny them the chance to go out and play their hardest on what was their
last high school game. He made them look like a bunch of cowards who didn't
have the guts to play with the big boys! It was a ridiculous stunt that made
their team look incompetent and classless. If I was a parent of one of those
players, I would be furious for robbing my son of the chance to lose with
dignity and respect.
Getting beat by 20 on LP's court earlier in the year and playing the
Knights dead even for 3 quarters or play your "strategy" game and lose
by 26. Coach Gardiner's right, Coach Lewis is a better coach than he is,
everyone in the stands could see that and you don't have to be involved
with either school to be biased either. Did he not think that LP would ever
practice or work on situations like this and be ready for it. Why would anyone
come out and waste energy with a 14-7 lead. Think about it. Get a shot clock
and sooner the better. Many good teams slow the ball game down, even with a
shot clock. Watch certain teams in the Big Ten, those that run the Princeton
offense. That's real strategy and playing to win the game.
Brighton's got a great team, they can play, too bad the fans didn't
get a chance to see it today.
To Two For Flinching:Brighton wasn't going to win this game
regardless. And this wasn't playing to win, this was not playing to not
get blown off the court. It is one thing to slow down play, or to force the
defense out on you if you are ahead at the end of the half/game. But when you
are behind by seven in the 1st quarter, not shooting and not passing will NOT
make up the deficit, and is just poor sportsmanship.Play your
hardest. If it is not enough to win, well, winning isn't everything, but
you gave it your best shot. No dishonor in that.
I personally was very disappointed that a coach would take his team out of the
game. If BHS felt they had no chance, they should have just forforfeited and
not even show up.I believe all that the Brighton coach accomplished
was taking his own team out of the game. LP kept their cool and merely waited
Brighton out. When the game started again for real, it was Brighton who seemed
to have lost concentration and quickly was toast.So in the end the
Brighton coach felt he couldn't win playing a full game , so he stalled and
and quickly learned that the result was the same except his team will carry a
gorilla on their back for sometime to come as a team afraid to play. I really feel bad for the Brighton kids, the coach robbed them of any respect
they may have earned for adsolutely nothing.
I am not sure where to start... I have watched high school basketball for over
40 years and what I saw tonight was pathetic. I am sure Coach Gardner has his
reasons for the stall, but none of them have merit. Coach Gardner's father,
Joel, one of the best coaches this state has ever seen must have been hiding his
face in shame. In the 80's Mt View attacked, played defense and won state
titles. To sit and watch Coach Schellenberger sitting on the bench eyes on the
floor having coached with both Gardners had to be embarrassed. The only thing
that Coach Gardner did was fill LP with a resolve to play harder. In December
Brighton only lost by 20 to LP, at one point in the first 12 minutes of the
second half LP outscored Brighton by 21. Quincy mercifully called the dogs off
with 4 minutes left in the game up by 28. A terrible message was sent by
Gardner to his players... you cannot compete so stall, don't get beat by
40. I think that I would rather get beat by 50 playing hard than do what
Brighton did tonight. Time for a shot clock
Perfect example and ammunition for implementing a 35 sec. shot clock. That was
NOT basketball. That was a complete disgrace to the game of basketball. When
will Utah school athletics do what has been long over-due and bring in shot
I understand why people wouldn't like it, but what Brighton did is
completely fine. You have to play to win, and this was the only way the Bengals
had any chance....
Brighton did a disservice to themselves, the fans, and the tournament by wasting
more than an entire quarter holding the ball. What an embarrassment for their
players and fans. And good on Lewis for not biting.