Harvard newspaper tells conservatives not to attend if they're going to criticize the school

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  • amazondoc USA, TN
    March 6, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    That sounded like a pretty dumb editorial, in general.

    OTOH, how would students of BYU react to BYU alums who turned around and criticized that institution? Would their reactions be any different from those of the Harvard student? Would *any* LDS member feel welcoming towards people who attended BYU and then criticized it after graduation?

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    March 3, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    The Harvard Crimson is written by undergraduates, mostly sophomores and juniors as far as I can tell. At that age, defensive, one-sided thinking is somewhat to be expected (even at Harvard). I wouldn't get too hot and bothered about what they wrote. Most of these students' viewpoints will become more mellow with age and experience.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    March 3, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Right on, Harvard! What some of these sad neo cons should do is just zip it and go get their degrees from Bob Jones University. See how that works for you.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    March 2, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Too bad for Harvard. I guess they aren't really into education as much as indoctrination. How embarassing that people can think for themselves.

  • jlglex Provo, UT
    March 2, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    This piece epitomizes the totalitarian instinct, which is at the heart of today's 'neo-liberalism.' Like Soviet Communism, Mao's Socialism, and Hitler's Nazism, today's 'neo-liberals demand total loyalty to the regime. There is no room for dissenters in their world view. Like those three notoriously tyrannical regimes in history, they are trying to implement a totalitarian vision, not only for Harvard, but for the entire globe!

    I am ashamed of my alma mater.

    Jonathan L. Gal
    Harvard College '89

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    March 2, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    Here's my civil, thoughtful comments on this topic:

    Is Brigham Young University open to valid criticism from alumni of any of their academic procedures, positions or published papers?

    I attended faithfully for 2 years, took several honors classes and received an excellent education while there. But I can also attest to the discouraging and/or suppressing of independent, creative and/or non-mainline LDS discussion or debate.

    When an educational institution over-reaches its purview, it's time to redefine the "educational" moniker. I agree that private institutions have extensive freedom in their curricula and staff. But to limit or prevent discussion of certain theological, historical or political subjects is not "academic".

    If you want all your students in lock-step, then advertize as such.

  • dave31 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    It seems apparent that Harvard remains solidlay on the LEFT side of the Charles River despite its efforts to expand into Alston on the opposite side.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    March 2, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    It was interesting to read the entire article and then the comments that followed on that site. Just like here at the DN, the readers of the Harvard Crimson are equally as irreverent in their comments to each other. And just like the DN, the usual commenters (although not the majority of those commenting here) seem to be of the opposite political stripe than the paper itself and the position of the editorial. I think, ultimately, it is a great example of the diversity within our population that people can have such differing opinions and live peacefully (for the most part) with each other.

    If you have had a chance to attend Harvard then you know their teaching method uses case studies to provoke discussion and argument within the class population. There are liberal and conservatives arguments made and everything in between. Often there are no right or wrong answers but your grade is based on the soundness of the arguments you make and whether or not you make those arguments. I think the Harvard Crimson was just expressing dismay with those who have turned against the school they love, usually for nothing more than political point making.

  • Archie1954 Vancouver, BC
    March 2, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    I'm sure there is a lesson to be learned from this latest salvo in the ideological war but I'm just not sure what it is.

    March 2, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    If the professors are Marxist and teach socialist ideologies in conjunction with their curricula, you shouldn't be attending this school in first place. Why open yourself up for criticism when expressing your core beliefs and disagreeing with their ideology? I don't get the liberal mindset. I don't understand why it's OK to be liberal and not OK to be conservative? Are we all supposed to fall in lock step with their ideology when it's 180 degrees from our own belief system? I don't think so. What is wrong with criticizing an Institution whether you're conservative or liberal? We all have the right to express our opinions. That must be why the Liberal establishment is so obsessed with undermining the Constitution and taking away the rights accorded by it. I say, we all have the right to agree or disagree without letting it divide us. A house, or country, divided against itself cannot stand. Is that why the Liberals in this country are so keen to cause these rifts between people? Beware!!! You may be opening a real can of worms here.

  • Samaritan01 Yuma, CO.
    March 2, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Just another example of intolerance from the group that bills themselves as the most tolerant of all people.

    The most straight-forward label for this behavior is "Hypocrisy".

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 2, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    While I feel that it is as inappropriate for Harvard to tell conservatives not to attend as it would be for BYU to have a "Republicans only" police, I'm also not sure why anyone would want to attend a college that they hold in such disrespect that they can only refer to it and its faculty in derogatory terms after graduating.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    March 1, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    Open discourse is encouraged. Unless you disagree with us.

  • che1968 Exton, PA
    March 1, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    Closed minded is closed minded no matter where one proclaims his ideology. So much for the doctrine of civility and open exchange of ideas and philosophies proposed by the Founding Fathers. Each would regurgitate their lunch at such a "totalitarian" statement.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    Don't you just love it when the "open minded, diverse, inclusive, non-judgemental, culturally sensitive, egalitarian, liberals" show their true colors?

  • DHan Syracuse, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    The unmitigated gall. Don't attend and spend tens of thousands of dollars annually? And besides, the amount of conservative students is very low. Seems a little nitpicky to me.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    So much for "diversity" and the "free exchange of ideas" and "vigorous debate."

    Too many American colleges and universities, especially the "big name" schools have become nothing but socialist indoctrination camps.