LDS Church announces new scripture edition

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  • lds4gaymarriage Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    D&C 68:4 is not literal. D&C 137 & 138, the Manifesto and priesthood revelation all had to be sustained via Common Consent to be considered scripture. If 68:4 were literal, no sustainings would be needed.

    Hugh B. Brown said, "I do not doubt that the brethren have often spoken under inspiration and given new emphasis-- perhaps even a new explanation or interpretation--of Church doctrine, but that does not become binding upon the Church unless and until it is submitted to the scrutiny of the rest of the brethren and later to the vote of the people."

    The Brethren have repeatedly stated that only the Standard Works are the official source of official doctrine. Even FAIRLDS agrees. In the Harold B. Lee PH/RS manual, he clearly states that if anyone, no matter their calling, teaches something contrary to the standard works, that doctrine is false.

    Because the Proc. advocates the passing of laws based on our subjective morality, it violates the scriptures when such laws infringe upon existing rights and liberties (D&C 134:4, 1 Cor. 10:29) as was the case with CA’s Prop. 8. It'll, therefore, never be sustained.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    March 9, 2013 1:05 p.m.


    "The Proc wasn't a revelation, but more of a political position paper written by a committee and finally accepted by GBH on the 3rd draft, who then presented it to the 12. If was written in response to the same-sex marriage campaigns in Alaska and Hawaii in 1995. It'll never be sustained by the membership."

    Scripture is not limited to the standard works you surely must be familiar with this passage in the D&C

    And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation. D&C 68:4

  • woolybruce Idaho Falls, ID
    March 9, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    The New Scripture Edition is improving by fixing grammatical problems and beginning to acknowledge Church History. These are all positive things, but I don't see how they have anything to do with continuing revelation.

  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    March 6, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    Man is weak and will let little things affect his testimony and lead himself astray from the truth.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    March 6, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Re Sharrona

    In your Bible class you use several translations of the Bible.........\

    Now you understand why Joseph Smith was confused?

  • Carsonz Provo, UT
    March 5, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @Dennis No I wasnt expecting you to serve it up on a platter, just provide a link or something to it so I and others can actually read and find out for ourselves. As much as I tried I couldnt find it. Again please dont mislead people with things you dont have any references to where you found it.. Here is something you can actually read yourself and see that President Gordon B. Hinckley actually saying and believing that the church does receive continuous revelation and will always. Go to the church website and in the search bar type, "continuos revelation Gordon B. Hinckley." Filter it by magazines and it will be called The Qourom of the First Presidency by Gordon...
    Also read article of faith 9 which is doctrines of the church in a nutshell.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    March 5, 2013 11:57 a.m.


    "@Carsonz.....I ignore it because you want everything on a silver platter. Look it up."

    That's not allowed Dennis. Googling LDS information is akin to reading anti-LDS literature.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    March 4, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    Sharrona, part 2

    I don't think that the Lord intended for us to have to read Koine Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin and translate our own Bibles. Or to have to have interlinear or side-by-side translations. Or even to rely on the works of scholars and translators. You say you use "several modern translations for balance. Do you?" My response is we use several modern apostles and prophets for truth. Do you?

    Who wrote the Bible? Prophets, Priests and Apostles. There are many, many New Testament manuscripts. Which is the most authentic? How is the layperson or even for that matter a scholar to know? How do you tease the correct interpretation out of another work written 2000 years ago without losing the subtleties and multiple meanings? The Pharisees lost out on the chance of a lifetime because they were too busy misinterpreting the scriptures to hear the actual giver of the law in their midst. A living prophet beats out any written scriptures because He will speak in the language of today, and will not brook any false interpretation of man. I bear testimony that Thomas S. Monson is a living, breathing, teaching prophet of God.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    March 4, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    Sharrona, Part 1

    Again, you think you use "facts" to back up your argument, but your interpretation of the scriptures is highly influenced by your theology - not the other way around. I see nothing in the three different versions of the scriptures to contradict Joseph Smith. In fact, if you take a closer look, I think they help Joseph's position. The verses uses words in the PAST TENSE "did not keep" "abandoned" "left the place they belonged". It doesn't sound like any new angels are rebelling, just the ones in the past. Also, according to LDS Scripture Lucifer staged a Coup d'etat. Sounds like "leaving" "limits of authority" to me. Also, in John 9:2 the apostles ask about the male born blind. "Did he or his parents sin?" How could someone be punished for sin from birth unless that person first existed before birth?

    We use the KJV at church. I have a NIV on my night stand, and two or three other non-KJV bibles in my bedroom. When I study the bible I often read on the Bible Gateway multiple translations on key verses. But what you claim as an advantage of "balance" is not.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    March 4, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    @Carsonz.....I ignore it because you want everything on a silver platter. Look it up.

  • Carsonz Provo, UT
    March 4, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    Why do you continue to ignore the request to provide a reference to when and where Gordon B. Hinckley said that? Please don't try to miss lead people with false information.

  • agkcrbs Holladay, UT
    March 4, 2013 5:52 a.m.

    So many gnats, so late in the day...

    'Principal' can be first in importance or leadership, besides 'majority'. 'Thresh' and 'thrash' are variants of one word; the adjacent verses retain their forcefulness. The sons of Mosiah gaining eternal life is textually ambiguous, though the possible application is still as strong to them as to those who merely 'believe' them; and coinage does infer pressed money -- but chapter headings have never been anything but aids or summaries. Abraham's preface still references the catalytic scrolls, whatever additional light the Pearl's introductory note casts. The validity of First Presidency messages doesn't depend upon their canonisation. Saying 'agape is the pure agape of Christ' simply allows that there is an 'agape' which is not pure, or of Christ. Matthew 17 and Mark 9 point to three (or more) titled 'Elias'. Hebrew and Greek are necessary, but taking the dead letter, or dead prophets' bones, as a shield against living oracles is still fatal to faith.

    Known historical errors deserve correcting, but much being discussed here, while interesting, doesn't matter. Change it, or leave it alone -- it will bring us no closer to God. Our changing hearts will; loving God and man will.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    March 3, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    RE: Twin Lights and Red Headed Stranger, I'm sorry, I have a real time following your argument.

    In our Bible class we use several modern translations for balance, Do you? The Greek (O.T. and N.T) is handy for serious Bible study.
    One of many examples:
    ( Jude 1:6 NIV) And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home… Fallen angels(devils) Nothing to with Ante-mortal being.

    (Jude 1:6 NLT)And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.

    (Jude 1:6 KJV) And the angels which kept not their first(*achre, Grk 746) estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to the judgment of the great day. See Abr 3:26.

    *first place, principality, rule, authority, of Angels , Demons.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 3, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Dennis, Think about it: everyone posting on this site is a troll. Different ones may be peering out from opposite sides of the bridge; but each one and all are trolls. You are in good company, stay with it.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    March 3, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    I don't like being accused of trolling. I'm a 6th generation member, served a mission and held numerous positions in Ward and Stake levels. I simply like to state truths that many of you need to examine for yourselves and see how they fit into the structure of your testimony and understanding of the Church. Many of you "watch" conference, I listen.

  • 3GrandKeys Walnut Creek, CA
    March 3, 2013 1:26 a.m.

    Are we still allowed to reference the old chapter headings in Sunday school or do we have some unlearning to do now?

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    March 2, 2013 10:34 p.m.


    I'm sorry, I have a real time following your arguments. I think it is because you like to throw up a bunch of "facts" but the correlation between those facts and what you think they prove often miss by a mile.

    Now you wish to "disprove" Joseph by a word choice, love or charity. I've tried to follow your reasoning. I really have. It just doesn't go anywhere. The equivalence written by the hand of Mormon (not Joseph, I see what you did there) is "charity is the pure love of Christ" resonates deeply with me. The spirit tells me, "This is true. You should be doing more of this. Your God loves these other people just as much as He loves you. Be kind to them. Care for their well being as much as you care for your own. This is the way that Christ loved."

    You see? Those are the words in Moroni 7 are of a prophet, written down by a prophet, and translated by another prophet. We can talk about chiasmus, colophones, Hebraisms, non-Biblical Hebrew and Egyptian names - yet you strain at the sliver of a definition of two words? Incredible.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    March 2, 2013 9:58 p.m.


    From Merriam Webster:

    Definition of CHARITY

    1: benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity

    Origin of CHARITY
    Middle English charite, from Anglo-French charité, from Late Latin caritat-, caritas Christian love, from Latin, dearness, from carus dear; akin to Old Irish carae friend, Sanskrit kāma love
    First Known Use: 13th century

    From a Non-LDS Christian site:

    While no English word may contain all of the meaning of the Greek word agape, both "love" and "charity" can be said to be accurate translations of the word.


    The word "charity" is especially fitting as a translation of the word agape, because of the close connection between agape and grace. In fact, the word "charity" actually comes from the Greek word charis, or grace.

    So, it seems that Joseph got it about right.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    March 2, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    RE: Twin Lights, What word should Joseph have used? Modern translation use Love.
    Love (agape)the pure love(agape) of Christ. In Greek It makes no sense. JS misunderstood the KJV.
    RE: Bill in Nebraska , the Gift of Holy Ghost. Holy Ghost/Spirit. Same Greek word(pneuma) Poor KJV translation, Modern translations have Holy Spirit.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    March 2, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    skeptic: Nothing about the scriptures is a lie

  • BoomerJeff Saint George, UT
    March 2, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    A few years ago, in a hotel room, i started reading the bible found there, and for the first time in my life, the bible verses made sense. So I was hoping the church would use the NEW King James Version, which was the version I had been reading that night. 400 year old English that we currently have to read is very hard, and I'm a college graduate.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    March 2, 2013 12:32 a.m.


    I am unsure as to why you addressed me here as I did not make that statement.

    Reference your oft repeated charity scripture/translation citation. What word should Joseph have used? What English word would have better substituted for Love? The more you cite, the more Mormon’s definition seems to hold true “But charity is the pure love of Christ, and it endureth forever; and whoso is found possessed of it at the last day, it shall be well with him.”



    Understood. But the dictionary says what it says.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    March 1, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    lds4gaymarriage: You are wrong that though there are some that say the Proclamation to the World is a committee writing it really is revelation as it takes numerous different revelations and scripture putting them to word. If the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve decide to put it up for common decent to be part of the Scriptures then yes it will be accepted, probably by unanimous vote. Of course you can say you know more than the Prophet but you know very well that YOU CAN NOT receive revelation for the Church as a whole. To say so is apostasy it's fullest degree. There is only one person who receives revelation for the Church and the world as a whole and that man is Thomas S. Monson. As the world gets closer and closer to the coming of the Lord. Don't let Satan deceive you into thinking that The Proclamation to the World isn't a teaching tool of the scriptures because it is very much so. Disagreeing with them puts one on the wrong side of the Lord.

  • 3GrandKeys Walnut Creek, CA
    March 1, 2013 7:01 p.m.

    @twin lights
    The definition I'm more familiar with:

    Beat (a person or animal) repeatedly and violently with a stick or whip.

    So for me the use of "thresh" adds the intent of separation to what God is doing, rather than God just beating down people. As a missionary I remember myself and others being entrigued by how hard core that language was. We were the weak things of the Earth being sent forth to thrash the nations. For me "thresh" softens the tone quite a bit.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    March 1, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    @sharrona "So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. KJV, NIV, NLT. JS was unaware.
    Love (agape), romance(eros) friendship,(Phileo) Philadelphia.There are several Greek words for love."

    That will be a tough change as "Charity never faileth" is almost an LDS creed. A building block to all success.

    You can lose your faith, you can give up hope, but charity never faileth. Everybody will have lost love. Yet, everyone no matter how dark has the potential for charity.

    Charity builds hope. Hope gives faith. Faith moves mountains.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    March 1, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Re; Twin Lights Studying and understanding LDS scriptures will be a little easier now . The LDS church needs a modern translation:
    In(D&C 110: 1-16) Elias and Elijah appear to JS, but in the Bible they are the same person. The KJV translators attempted to transliterate Elijah to Elias because there isn’t a Greek character for the English letter J.
    To avoid confusion, modern translations: NIV, NJKV, NASB and the Catholic Bible have Elijah instead of Elias in(Mt 11:14,; Luke 1:17).

    Charity, mid-12c.," caritas. Latin, used in KJV instead of the original Greek, agape "love". Charity is a Latin Vulgate poor KJV translation of love. The Love chapter, 1 Corinthians 13. Accurate modern translations, Example verse 13 , So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. KJV, NIV, NLT. JS was unaware.
    Love (agape), romance(eros) friendship,(Phileo) Philadelphia.There are several Greek words for love.

    Re: Malachi, Section 17 is and always has had 9 verses long? Page 81 of the JST concordance has the blessing of the bread and wine plus more (D&C 17: 22,23)It was edited.

  • lds4gaymarriage Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    I'm wondering why they does not add the Proclamation of the family and the Living Christ testimony to the Doctrine and Covenants since they were making other changes. Interesting though.

    Neither were added since neither have been sustained via Common Consent by the membership of the Church as being scripture. The priesthood revelation was as well as other old revelations (D&C 137 & 138). The Proc wasn't a revelation, but more of a political position paper written by a committee and finally accepted by GBH on the 3rd draft, who then presented it to the 12. If was written in response to the same-sex marriage campaigns in Alaska and Hawaii in 1995. It'll never be sustained by the membership.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    March 1, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    It's easier for skeptics to attack the intros, headers, and bible dictionary than the scripture text itself. I welcome these new editions and can't wait to get them in Spanish.

  • OnlytheCross Bakersfield, CA
    March 1, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Now if you can just get Hebrew & Greek Interlinears, we can have a meaningful discussion.

    Otherwise, it's Judges 21:25 all over again, when "In those days there was no king in Israel"... and the translation table was one big smorgasbord: "And every man did what was right in his own eyes."

    Seriously, get with the academic world and understand how the Bible came to be.

  • Malachi Riverton, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:24 p.m.


    Section 17 is and always has had 9 verses long. By "communion, could you be referring to the blessing on the bread and wine in D&C 20:76-79?

  • will7370 LOGAN, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Too bad they didn't include The Proclamation on the Family and The Living Christ when they did this. I would have loved to have had those set in the scriptures instead of having to constantly keep a worn out xerox copy folded up inside. Having these two footnoted and cross-referenced with the Topical Guide would have been a great improvement in the study of these two documents.

  • DavidD Phoenix, AZ
    March 1, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    And I don't see any reason to believe the term Lamanite in the Book of Mormon came to mean everyone who was not a Nephite (the Jew - Gentile analogy). Didn't it just become a shorthand way of referring to any of the Book of Mormon peoples who fought against the Nephites, who were idealogically aligned with the historic Lamanites?

  • Mark C Gilbert, SC
    March 1, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    @mhilton...Because the Family Proclamation and the Living Christ are not canonized scripture, although I look for ward to the day when they will be officially added.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    March 1, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    3 Grand Keys,

    From Merriam Webster:

    Definition of THRASH
    transitive verb
    1: to separate the seeds of from the husks and straw by beating : thresh


    intransitive verb
    1: thresh

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    March 1, 2013 1:54 p.m.


    "Shows how the scriptures are "living" not only because they have wide, dynamic, and even unexpected application to personal lives, but also because our knowledge of context increases over the years."

    Knowledge increases or circumstances for acceptance change over the years? Be real ..

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    March 1, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    It has the appearance of the old story of lies and lies to cover up the old lies.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    March 1, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    I hope they just add a few more empty pages at the end, for personal quick quote/scripture references. I do have a journal that I write in, but some things I want to keep closer in my scriptures. For me, it's hard to memorize many passages, so this becomes a valuable tool.

  • Commenter88 Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 1, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Shows how the scriptures are "living" not only because they have wide, dynamic, and even unexpected application to personal lives, but also because our knowledge of context increases over the years.

  • 3GrandKeys Walnut Creek, CA
    March 1, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    The intro to the Pearl of Great Price has significant changes:

    Paragraph 4, item 2—Changed “A translation from some Egyptian papyri that came into the hands of Joseph Smith in 1835, containing writings of the patriarch Abraham” to “An inspired translation of the writings of Abraham. Joseph Smith began the translation in 1835 after obtaining some Egyptian papyri.”

    Should it now be understood that the discovery of "some Egyptian papyri" merely coincided with the timing of Joseph's decision to write an "inspired translation" of the Book of Abraham rather than Joseph having discovered the actual writings of Abraham on Egyptian papyri? Anyone else miss the old story?

  • 3GrandKeys Walnut Creek, CA
    March 1, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    D&C 35:13; 133:59—thrash to thresh
    "Thrash the nations" is now "thresh the nations".

    I welcome any changes that make God a little bit nicer.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    March 1, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    @KC Mormon,

    Dennis originally said that it was said in conference at the pulpit, so it would be easy to find the quote--if it existed.
    That is an interesting quote, however. I think there is a problem in the church of people arguing semantics over what is 'revelation' versus some other teaching from a general authority, as if that would have any less authority.

  • Michael Layne Logan, UT
    March 1, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    @Dennis, TOO and others who responded to Dennis:

    I assume Dennis is referring to the quote below, which, in fact, indicates that there has been revelation since Joseph Smith, and very clearly indicates the principle of continuing revelation. I can't verify the authenticity of the quote, but it is consistent with other statements church leaders have made which state in no uncertain terms that continuing revelation is alive and well.

    "Let me say first that we have a great body of revelation, the vast majority of which came from the prophet Joseph Smith. We don't need much revelation. We need to pay more attention to the revelation we've already received. Now, if a problem should arise on which we don't have an answer, we pray about it, we may fast about it, and it comes. Quietly. Usually no voice of any kind, but just a perception in the mind."
    They wouldn't let me post the link, but just google for "Gordon Hinckley revelation".

  • BevWel Grants Pass, OR
    March 1, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Whoa!! No new revelations? What about the revelation on the priesthood? Joseph F. Smith's wonderful vision in D&C 138? What about the Proclamation on the Family which I consider revelation? And others. I never heard President Hinckley say there were no new revelations since Joseph Smith. Where is the source of that comment? The term "Prophet" indicates continuing revelation. We have a prophet and so we have continuing revelation!

  • DavidD Phoenix, AZ
    March 1, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    KC Mormon, I'm not sure how anyone can presume to know the mind of Joseph Smith and whether he intended to fine tune the word "Lamanite" in the D&C to be a "political" term and not a "genalogical" term. To me, it seems like an unlikely excuse and unnecessary Ark steadying. More likely, Joseph simply misunderstood the ancestry of native Americans. God told him a lot of things, but not everything. He likely made an assumption that he deemed to be reasonable at the time, and that now can be clarified. Period. It doesn't make him less a prophet of God.

  • Bruce T. Forbes Kearns, UT
    March 1, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    How exciting! And in time for my birthday! the fact that the historical information is being upgraded to conform to reflect the recent research means there's going to be plenty to learn!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 1, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    "Why would you use the word "continuing"? ...... "

    Dennis - with her comment, I'm sure Kelly didn't intend to argue with people like you.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    March 1, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    I have not been able to find one but I have been able fo find anto-mormon sites that quote him saying the opposite, like this from mormonthink
    DR: You receive?
    Gordon B. Hinckley: Now we don’t need a lot of continuing revelation. We have a great, basic reservoir of revelation. But if a problem arises, as it does occasionally, a vexatious thing with which we have to deal, we go to the Lord in prayer. We discuss it as a First Presidency and as a Council of the Twelve Apostles. We pray about it and then comes the whisperings of a still small voice. And we know the direction we should take and we proceed accordingly.
    DR: And this is a revelation?
    Gordon B. Hinckley: This is a revelation.
    DR: How often have you received such revelations?
    Gordon B. Hinckly: Oh, I don’t know. I feel satisfied that in some circumstances we’ve had such revelation. It’s a very sacred thing that we don’t like to talk about a lot. A very sacred thing.”

    - Compass Interview with Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, aired Nov. 9, 1997

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    March 1, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    It's about time! :D

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    March 1, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    "It used to say that the Lamanites are the 'principal ancestors of the American Indians.'

    The Book of Mormon people lived almost exclusively in the area where the Hill Cumorah is located. That's the only place you find the proper DNA evidence. The South and Central American 'Indians' (and perhaps the USA West Coast Indians) have Asian DNA. For sure the Aleuts in Alaska are from Asia perhaps crossing the Bering Straight land bridge. Furthermore, Cumorah is where the golden plates were found and the 'final battle' took place.

    There's nothing in the Book that indicates anything but short distances between cities. There's no evidence of having RR's and jets. Certainly, some of the people could have migrated and are not covered in the Book. Lewis and Clark took off from St. Lewis and went all the way to the Pacific Coast in just a few short months walking and paddling canoes. Why couldn't BofM people do the same and populate much of America? We don't know. But we are fairly sure Hagar didn't sail to Hawaii.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:30 a.m.


    We need a quote.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    March 1, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Ignore Dennis and his trolling - the bretheren have never stopped talking about continuing revelation

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 1, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    KC Mormon,

    Your response to David D is a beautiful explanation. I don't think that most LDS understand this. Thanks and well done.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    March 1, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    @ TOO

    According to President Hinkley we have not had revelation. All the projects you have mentioned apparently were just good ideas from the brethren.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    March 1, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    The term Lamanite in the Book of Mormon is not a genealogy term but a political term. It is used the same way that the terms Jew and Gentile are used. Jew is anyone that is of the house of Israel broken away or not and Gentile is anyone else. Nephite is anyone who is living among the people that followed Nephi after their separation or follows their religion and Lamanite is anyone else. This can be seen by the fact that people constantly move from one group to the other. In one chapter they are Nephites, in the next they are Lamanites then several chapters later they are back to being Nephites. Furthermore Joseph Smith spoke of his belife that people came to the Americas at the time of Moses. These people are clearly not mentioned in the Book of Mormon. With all this then the term Lamanite to Joseph Smith was simply anyone in the Americas before Columbus that was not a Nephite. As the Nephite nation was destroyed clearly all that was left would have been? Lamanites because the term in genealogical but geopolitical.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    The chapter heading to Alma 11 has been changed. It used to mention "Nephite coins and measures" but now just says the following:

    "The Nephite monetary system is set forth"

    Glad to see the change. The text in that chapter does not mention coins, but measures only. The new heading is correct.

  • Neanderthal Pheonix, AZ
    March 1, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    The revisions were released late Thursday (included) the Pearl of Great Price..."

    We hope this volume has been updated to clarify the source... which research shows was not the purported ancient scrolls.

  • Irrelevant Provo, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:01 a.m.


    Do you mind giving reference to your Gordon B. Hinckley quote? i'm interested in which context he was speaking.

    What trememdous news for the church! a testimony for the true gospel

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    March 1, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Gregg Weber
    One problem I have found with many of the newer versions of the Bible is that in trying to use more modern terms they lose many of the hidden double meanings placed in the Bible. Another is that they are first interpretations and then translations to meet that interpretation. Lets take for example John 4:9 in the KJV it reads only begotten son this can be read as only begotten in the flesh yet we are all his sons and daughters in spirit. However in the new translations they have taken that possibility completely out interpreting it first, eliminating that we are spiritual children of God then translating it to one and only son. Now there is no room for our being spirit children of our God. While some say the LDS interpretation is wrong to remove the possibility by interpreting and then translating is telling God you must mean this. So they are telling God what he can mean and not listening to God.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @Gregg Weber,

    In my experience, almost every other version of the Bible has been 'dumbed down' to modern english and loses much of the symoblism--especially in the New Testament. I am by no means a scriptorian, but I believe the KJV is still the most appropriate version.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    The First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints continues to receive revelation from the Lord. That's what is wonderful about our Church is the inspiration and revelations that are received through our wonderful and loving Prophets.

  • CanadaGreywolf canada, 00
    March 1, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    no new revelation since joseph Smith ???????????
    How about 1975 spencer w kimball ? priesthood and blacks , was that not revelation ????? IT SURE WAS !!!!!

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 1, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    David D,

    It is true that many have just assumed that the American Indians were the Lamanites. The fact remains, however, that there is nothing in the Book of Mormon that says that the Lamanites are the principal ancestors. Certainly, they are AMONG the ancestors but saying that they are the principal ancestors is an over statement that needed to be modified.

  • MrsH Altamont, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Dennis and TOO:
    I am also curious as to the whole "Nor new revelation" quote. I do not recall any prophet ever saying that. I believe we have received many new revelations.
    "We believe...God will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining..."

  • Gregg Weber SEATTLE, WA
    March 1, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    If I remember right (although I wasn't there) Joseph Smith said that the KJV was the best. But there have been others produced since then. Is it still the best or just the "standard"?
    Are there other versions that are more accurate for study, with paragraphs and verse divisions that don't divide sentences and thoughts, or even using Sentence Diagrams to make sure everyone knows what the meaning is?
    If not, can one be produced? I'm writing mainly about the Bible.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    March 1, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Whoa Nellie,
    Lets see every splinter group of the LDS church has a version of the Book Of Mormon while the text. While the base text is from the original 1830 edition and the changes Joseph Smith made in his life each group has their own version of it. The same goes with the Doctrine and Covenants, try comparing the Community of Christ (formerly RLDS) Doctrine and Covenants with the LDS. As for the LDS version of the Bible while the text is the King James the foot notes, chapter headings, topical guide, and bible dictionary are part of the bible version used by the LDS church. Because you will not find any other church using that same version of the KJV it does make it a distinct version of the KJV. So the term LDS version is completely accurate.

  • DavidD Phoenix, AZ
    March 1, 2013 8:38 a.m.


    I'm not sure the change is all that insignificant. Several times in the D&C, Joseph Smith referred to native Americans as "Lamanites." There seems to be good reason to assume that he thought that Lamanites were not only the principal ancestors of native Americans, but the sole ancestors. So, I'm not so sure it is merely a correction of a recent misunderstanding.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    March 1, 2013 8:18 a.m.


    Just curious, when did he say that? Because since Joseph Smith, we've had

    1. A few sections added to the Doctrine and Covenants
    2. All worthy males able to receive the Priesthood.
    3. Numerous temples
    4. Countless new General Authorities and local leaders

    There are many more examples, but these just come to mind instantly. I'm not arguing, I've just never heard that quote/don't remember. Could you let me know?

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    March 1, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    The one that has bothered me was the old heading to Mosiah 28. In verse 7, God says about Mosiah’s sons’ desire to serve a mission, “Let them go up, for many will believe on their words, and they shall have eternal life.” The old heading said that Mosiah’s sons would have eternal life, but I always thought the scripture meant that their converts would have eternal life. My thinking is reinforced by Mosiah 29:9, where Mosiah admits to the possibility at least one of his sons might “turn again to his pride.” He might not have worried about this possibility if he thought his son had been promised eternal life. I once wrote to the GAs about this and was told it would be changed. Now it has been. The other heading I knew would be changed is the header to Alma 11: “Nephite coinage is set forth” changed to “Nephite monetary system is set forth.” This is because we don’t know if the Nephites pressed their gold and silver into coins.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    March 1, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    RE; Thunder, If you review the detailed list of changes made, actual scripture verse changes in all four books (KJV, BoM, D&C, PGP) were made. The changes weren't limited to headings and footnotes.
    (D&C 17:22,23)The communion service the blessing of the bread and wine are msissing.

    Re: Encyclopedia of Mormonism Encyclopedia he word "paradise" is not found in the Old Testamen. wrong,
    The word "paradise" is found several times in the O.T. . The LORD(YHWH) God planted a garden(paradeisos, G# 3857) eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.(Gen 2:8 Septuagint). The LORD(YHWH) … Garden(paradeisos of Eden …( Gen2:15 Septuagint) ….And they heard the voice of the LORD(YHWH) God walking in the garden (paradeisos,)n in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD(YHWH) God amongst the trees of the garden.(Gen 3:8).

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 1, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    @ The Otter

    I agree that some have made a mountain out of a molehill over this (and this is why I prefaced my comment by saying it is a rather insignificant correction)but it is always best to be precise. The correction was a good one.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 1, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    This is almost as exciting as in 1979 when the Scriptures and Topical Guide were integrated and provided an extremely valuable tool for anyone attempting to feel the Spirit in their personal and family situations.

    With all the various forms of media and easy access from LDS.ORG and other sources, what a blessing this will be in the lives of leaders, teachers, missionaries and people who are searching the web for life's simple questions of: Why we are here? Where did we come from? and Where are we going?

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a living Prophet and Apostles to lead us through this portion of our journey. Thanks to God for prophets today as He has not left us alone in a world of strife and woe. There is a plan and this is one of the ways to find out what the plan is to guide us through these latter-days.

    Thanks to Deseret News for publishing this article and the Good News that comes through the scriptures to all who will read and feel the Spirit.

  • theOtter Lafayette, IN
    March 1, 2013 7:52 a.m.


    While you are correct that “the Book of Mormon… used to say that the Lamanites are the ‘principal ancestors of the American Indians’” and that the phrase now “states that the Lamanites are ‘among the ancestors of the American Indians,’” I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill on that one. Given the context, the old statement was 100% accurate. The problem is that many people erroneously equate the word “principal” with the words “primary” and/or “majority,” an interpretation that is obviously not supported by the text itself.

    Regardless, great to hear that they’re finally updating it. I hope this means we’ll finally see the *Guide to the Scriptures* in print! (I’ve always loved that, in the Castilian version.)

  • Thunder Orem, UT
    March 1, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    @Whoa Nellie - The formatting of the editions of these books as well as the unique additions (cross-references to the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price) make the term "LDS version" appropriate for the KJV. The Community of Christ (former RLDS) church also has their own editions of some of these books, also making the term "LDS version" appropriate. Doubleday released a version of the Book of Mormon nearly a decade ago in 2004, also making the term "LDS version" appropriate. If you review the detailed list of changes made, actual scripture verse changes in all four books (KJV, BoM, D&C, PGP) were made. The changes weren't limited to headings and footnotes.

  • mhilton Lancaster, CA
    March 1, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    I'm wondering why they does not add the Proclamation of the family and the Living Christ testimony to the Doctrine and Covenants since they were making other changes. Interesting though.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    March 1, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    "The revisions were released late Thursday and have been integrated with the LDS versions of the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. . ."
    The LDS versions of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the P of GP? Who else has a version of these books? Actually the so-called LDS version of the Bible is simply the King James version. Why did the author of this article feel the need to include the word 'version'? Perhaps the new additions to chapter headings and footnotes could have been better described so as not to imply that the actual scriptures had changes.

  • Shushannah Kendal, Cumbria
    March 1, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    great news, but I am curious... will this include corrections in the Topical Guide? I have met with many errors during my study of this great tool...

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 1, 2013 6:30 a.m.

    A rather insignificant correction but one I am glad to see is in the introduction of the Book of Mormon. It used to say that the Lamanites are the "principal ancestors of the American Indians." This was added in the previous edition. This statement never appeared in older editions.

    There is absolutely nothing in the actual text of the Book of Mormon to suggest that the only people living on the American continent were Nephites and Lamanites. The Book of Mormon talks about other groups that came to this continent and strongly implies that there were still other people that they interacted with (the unbelievers who would come and try to convince the people away from their religion, for example).

    It is unfortunate that after 150 years or so that the "principal ancestor" comment suddenly appeared. The new edition more correctly states that the Lamanites are "among the ancestors of the American Indians."

  • nathan000000 Yuma, AZ
    March 1, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    Yes, it'll be fun to see how this contributes to gospel scholarship. I wonder if some day they'll redo the layout, too. That is, instead of breaking lines at every verse, they'll have multiple verses per paragraph, with headings and subheadings. That's how the Structured Edition of the Doctrine and Covenants is laid out.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    March 1, 2013 5:36 a.m.

    "For a church that believes in continuing revelation,"
    @ KellyWSmith....It's interesting that you would say this. Gordon B. Hinkley speaking from the pulpit at conference said there has NOT been additional revelation since God spoke to Joseph Smith. Why would you use the word "continuing"?

  • DRay Roy, UT
    March 1, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    Corrections are not of Doctrine, not of Covenants, or of meaning; we may be eager to obtain all improvements we can, but must not let these things be of primary's the spirit, not the letter of things that brings the life & purpose into play.

  • KellyWSmith Sparks, NV
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:49 p.m.

    For a church that believes in continuing revelation, they also believe in making things better. They upgrade and renovate Temples; they built the Conference Center when they already had the Tabernacle; they continue to spread the gospel all over the world in every way possible; they create the most amazing website in the whole world to freely share its message; they produce fantastic videos on the New Testament and give them away to the world; they create new teaching programs to take advantage of online capabilities, etc. etc. etc.

    This is a testimony to me that the leadership of the LDS Church is always trying to make things better and that shows great inspiration. I have already downloaded the new set to my phone and tablet tonight and I look forward to reading them tomorrow.

  • nathan000000 Yuma, AZ
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    This is tremendous! I can't wait until they add the changes beyond section 88 of the D&C. And it’s so nice that they’ve published the side-by-side comparison, obviating the task of chasing them down one-by-one. They must have known thousands would want to do just that, and they were kind enough to do it for us. :-)