Lawmakers, Utah sheriffs want to rein in renegade BLM, Forest Service officers

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 1, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Nope I'm not a "Spokesperson" or a double dipping legislator that you want to protect from scrutiny because he's in your gang. You should be ashamed trying to defend someone using his position to further his own economic growth on Utah's Citizens backs while trying to steal from the People of America.

    Nice try at deflection but Noel is ethically void, and proves it every year.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    March 1, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic,

    Federal grants (taxpayer money) received by 'progressive environmental groups' is $568,500,000.00.

    This is a cookie jar that you have your hands into if you receive any compensation from environmental groups for your advocacy of the take-over of Utah's natural resources.
    So, if you are attacking Noel for 'attacking' environmentalists, you are exposing yourself as a bought and paid for spokesman for the tax exempt foundations that are under the control of wall street bankers who make a percentage on all big government debt.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    You mean Upstanding citizen Republican Rep. Mike Noel of Kanab," who "manipulates state boards, changed his title as the executive director and manager of the Kane County Water Conservancy District to that of private contractor for the district to avoid a possible Hatch Act violation, threatens public employees who publicly express views that differ from his," attacks the press and environmentalists, and "staged an illegal ATV ride in a federally protected wash in southern Utah."

    Mike is against government bailouts, unless he is the recipient. Mike and his wife are recipients of over $200,000.00 add that to his large salaries plus his federal retirement. Oh not to forget his ripoff of the tax system. It may be legal, but is it ethical. He has many parcels of land valued at several hundred thousand dollars, that he only pays a few dollars property tax. One parcel is valued at $208,494 but he only pays $5.41 for property taxes.
    Just in case you wonder how much Mike gets from the Water Conservancy $97,265.00

    Mike is wants more control for himself, nothing new here.

  • Moabmom Moab, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    A huge "thank you" to our sheriffs', Mike Noel and the legislators who had the good sense to vote yes. It's about time someone stepped up and shed light on this problem. the experience "justamacguy" described is a common occurrence in rural Utah not the exception. It's about time we put something in place to reign in "feds gone wild" on our public lands.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    “How about actually working with each other to hammer out a memorandum of understanding instead of this heavy-handed approach?”

    You mean how federal officials feel they don’t have to work with the local authorities and scream at them when they come see them in DC?

    And the highway patrolman? That’s his job, to patrol state highways! Don’t want a ticket? Don’t violate traffic laws.

    Are the state legislators overstepping their 10th amendment bounds by trying to write federal statutes?

    The bill is NOT about stopping feds from enforcing federal statutes. I guess you did not bother to read the article.

    you know the thoughts and intents of Mr. Noel’s heart?

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    March 1, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    A lot of finger pointing and name calling from a man with an axe to grind. I am far more frightened by radicals like Mike Noel than a so-called over zealous BLM..

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 1, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    Mike Noel is rural aristocrat who wants the state to control our public lands. They're Americans lands, not the personal property for a few rural, wanabee rich folks.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    March 1, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Whenever federal agents or agencies infringe upon the rights reserved to the states and the people by the Tenth Amendment of the US Constitution, then those federal agencies are guilty of sedition and rebellion against the government of the United States of America.

    The local Sheriff who is duly elected by the people should have them incarcerated and tried for their above crimes against the government of the US. That would include such agencies as the EPA, Homeland Security, Nation Security Agency and etc.

    The NSA is continuing to build a facility in Bluffdale to pry into citizens personal information that is protected by the Constitution and this agency needs to be taken before the Supreme Court of the land to have them cease and desist in their sedition and rebellion against the government (citizens) and return the money to the US treasury that they have extorted to build this facility. A huge fine on these agents and agencies would go a long way towards paying off our national debt and releasing our posterity from bondage.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Recent examples of bad federal judgement. Did you know it is technically illegal to hunt ducks on USFS or BLM land. The federal code says you can not discharge a firearm over water. How do you hunt ducks if you can't shoot our shotgun over water? It's true, read the code. An experience this summer, my friend just purchased a new Razor. 50" wide model, stock from the showroom. Approved by the USFS as a legal 50" trail machine. When we got on the trail we were stopped by a female ranger who pulled out a tape and measured the machine, claiming it was 50.5" and would not let us on the trail! A couple of years back while camping near Mayfield the kids went down to a small stream and built a little rock hold pen to put some drinks in to keep them cool. A ranger, female again, comes along and makes them take the drinks out of the creek and threatens them with a ticket for damaging the environment. Not even any fish in the little ditch. Just makes you really want to go out and get back to nature.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:48 p.m.

    For those who think this such a great idea, why don't the counties simply refuse to accept payment for tickets issued by federal officials? Apparently they are happy to accept payment for those tickets. I got a ticket in Garfield County by a Utah Highway Patrol trooper. The trooper was rude and condescending to me, but I still sent a check - not to the State, but to Garfield County. They were happy to cash my $75 check.

    I think an olive branch by both sides is a much better solution to this problem.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    Boy, there are some left-wing, big government posters on this story. You all might try some understandong of the plight of people and law enforcement in rural areas

  • Swiss Price, Utah
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    Now we have heard from the hardy back packing crowd let's get their names so we don't waste the sheriff's search and rescue on them
    Just forward the call to BLM.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    First of all, Utah is not a "sovereign" nation as some of our renegade lawmakers and cowboy county commissioners like to think we are. We are first and foremost a State within the United States of America, not the United Counties of Deseret! Second, Federal law enforcement certainly does have the right to enforce Federal laws on Federally owned lands. And once again, before some of you go off on all of the Federal land we have and, and it's some Washington overreach, etc., ad nauseum, might I point out for the 100th time, that Utah would not have existed unless the US purchased the territory (along with others) from Mexico. Does the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ring a bell (perhaps you all learned this in US History? Feel free to research Mexican-American war). The US purchased what is now known as Utah. Did they ask for the State to repay the country when we bought it? No. If anyone is infringing on anyone's "sovereignty" is the lawmakers who still think this is the wild west days of old... just look at the laws we pass in this state! We're a laughing stock.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:43 p.m.

    Oh please, If their best example of a problem is a federal law enforcement agent giving someone a traffic ticket, then it is clear there is no "real" problem. Then the question is why the big show by the Rep. from Kanab? My guess is it revolves around egos and the counties wanting to have total control. Probably one of the people who got a ticket from a Fed was a powerful/connected local who complained "how dare they." Yet, I am sure if something big goes down they have no problem relying on the Feds. My favorite qoute was about the Federal Law Enforcement Agents having no law enforcement training, of course they do, at least 22 weeks worth at an academy; I believe said academy is in Georgia.

  • USA Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    How about reining in renegade Utah legislators?

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    BLM has been in the "holier than thou, we just do it our way" mode for many years, including at the very highest levels. Laws only apply to "civilians" and the laws are whatever some BLM guy with a gun and a badge says it means.

    Time to rein in these wannabe Rambos and ensure they act like professionals, and fully within the laws.

    Pass the bill!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    There must some economic advantage for this Representative to push this bill. He and former Senator Aaron Tilton most likely were able to get around some of the federal laws to get approval for a nuclear power plant and make money there. Also, he is part of the move to get water to Washington county from the federal waterways.

    States and counties do belong to the United States of America. Some would choose which laws or agencies to comply with.

    This is just a continuation of the federal versus county use of roadways. If the state or county wants a road paved or maintained, then it is a federal road to pay the bill.

    You just have to look at the picture and get a feel for dealing with anyone. Utah wanted to be so much a part of the United States of America in the late 1800s. The federal government has a process and it is still our government.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Feb. 28, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Keep it up Sheriffs

  • DaveRL OGDEN, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    It's curious that these groups all want Federal help when the situation suits them but not when they don't like the laws. Spoiler alert, you don't get to pick which laws you will agree too. It's called The United States for a reason.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    Funny, as soon as I saw the headline, I somehow knew I'd see Mike Noel's mug in one of the pictures.

    So they are saying that laws against grave robbing and destruction of historic and natural features should not be enforced?


  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Where are the adults? Certainly not in our legislature!

    If a motorist is speeding and the federal officer is the only one around, should they just let them speed? There actually is a reason for speed limits - safety reasons.

    Come on Noel. Grow up!!!

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 28, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Sounds like a sop for the atv crowd. Kane county can do better than Mike Noel.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    Are these the same folks that held their hands out for $71 million in federal aid for environmental programs?

    How about actually working with each other to hammer out a memorandum of understanding instead of this heavy-handed approach? I truly believe we are only hearing one side of the story here. "Many examples" isn't exactly a compelling argument without some actual proof.

    The enforcement officers are in a tough spot. If they don't do anything to prevent crime on federal land, then the communities would be howling that the feds aren't doing anything to prevent crime, and when they do anything, the communities howl about that, too. Maybe the counties need to double their police presence instead of trying to work together.

    Not everything has to be us vs. them and we (the State of Utah) doesn't always have to be the antagonist adolescent child.