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  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 1, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    they have gone around the bend.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 1, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Mountainman..Secularism has nothing to do with progressivesim. Secularism is simply when the state is not involved in promoting or championing religion or a particular religion. Many, many religious people are secularists and value secularisim. Many, many progressives are religious, as evidenced by posters on this thread. Conflating secularism and pogressivism as inherently belonging together is just plain wrong.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    March 1, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    The books Confidence Men, The Price of Politics, and getting a balance from cable news confirms we have a President who can't lead, divisive, no plan, and dos'nt know how to bargain with the other side. The damage Obama will do in the next 4 years will hurt the majority of those who voted for him. Seeing it now in my city.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 1, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    To "JoeBlow" you are connecting 2 different things. California's welfare programs are are the 10th highest in the generosity, meaning they pay the most. Of the top 10, 8 were solid liberal states. So, the statement that it was people who want more welfare electing Obama is actually quite true.

    To "atl134" if Obama and his wife really liked America and its traditions why is it that Michelle Obama stated "we're going to have to change our traditions, our history; we're going to have to move into a different place as a nation." If we have good traditions, a good history, and are in a good place, why change it unless you don't like it?

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    March 1, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    What a sad letter. Nothing but right wing talk points and half truths, and under it all, resentment and fear.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Mr. Obama, while you’ve got your finger in the eye of the republicans, give it a good twist for me.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 1, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    What good is a law that contains a legal option to “simply ignore that law”?

    What good is a law that cannot be enforced?

    What freedom do you have that is not secured and enforced by law.

    What kind of people should you not elect to be your government.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 1, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    "America has been fundamentally changed and not for the better and I doubt we will ever be the great country we once were."

    Rather than nonse rhetoric like this, I would love to see how American has been fundimentally changed so dramtically - more so than iw was changed from 2001-2009? I am not saying the those years were the worst ever - but - the single largest loss of capital happened between 2001-2009. The greatest loss of jobs in nearly 100 years happened inthat time window. The largest government bailout of the economy, happen between those years, the single largest attack on American in over 50 years, happened between 2001-2009.

    So worst I guess really is a relative term. The Bush years ended in financial disaster. Not an opinopn, but a documented fact. Doesn't make Bush bad or good. It wasn't all his fault.. hardly.

    But silly claims like "worst president ever" and "Ameican fundementally changed" - more so than even the 1960s or between 1860 - 1880... it is a hard stretch to understand how comments like those are based on anthing factual.

    That is raw emotion - based on something far different.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:48 a.m.


    No filibuster, no vote, no discussion. Harry Reid has singlehandedly crushed the house bills by refusing to allow them to come up. It is called obstructionism. He blocked it for fear it would pass, or that the democrats would have to filibuster to stop it.

    He probably did it at the president's bidding. What an awkward position for Obama, to have to decide to sign for painless cuts (in pork), or not to sign leaving painful cuts in place so he can demand another tax increase. He might lose a few worshipers over that, although I am sure you would still be there for him.

    Your suggestion of 60% vote needed is pure fiction here. It simply doesn't apply. It is nothing more than democrat sour grapes.

    Well I am off to my tea party. It is a day to celebrate. The country is about to discover that is can actually restrain spending and flourish! Obama and the MSM will try to conceal the benefits, but the benefits will shine through.


  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 1, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Allowing taxes to increase on those making above a certain amount is not an increase? Ah, the beauty and incomprehensibility of dem/liberal logic.

    Old man, Maverick
    cannot defend BO, so you just denigrate his opponents (just like your hero). You must be reading MSNBC and DNC hate speech again!

    BO was not born in Kenya. Greece maybe

    BO told repubs they could come along, but they had to ride in the back of the bus. That fosters bipartisanship?

    I am GLAD the repubs are trying to stop BO’s disastrous policies.

    “Utah receives more money than it puts in” Stop getting your information from a “comedian”. Utah is in the bottom five in federal expenditures per capita.

    The Obamas don’t dislike the US? You missed Michelle’s comment that she had NEVER been proud of her country, or the America-hate they absorbed from Wright? The senate has refused to try to vote on the house bills, the problem is not filibusters.

    you who said last November slick won with a 49% majority. 49% is NOT a majority. you lack credibility

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 1, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    @ Pragmat. Secular progressivism is it own religion. Charles Darwin and Karl Marx invented it and it has become the religion of liberalism!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 1, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    So, who was it the president was supposed to talk about during the election if not Romney? These grapes smell sour.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 1, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    Wow, this ought to be really fun to watch in two years. Like one poster said here most of us know that the stated hate posted by some here is an outlier, especially when the Presidents aproval rating is over 50% now..but it's fun to watch.

    Just a small note to Mtnman. I suppose you've forgotten that it's the principle of secularism that protects your right to believe any religious notion you choose. It's the principle that allows Mormons to worship alongside Catholics, and Muslims. You'd better hope that secularism is alive and well in America for the sake of your own beliefs.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 1, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    @ The Real Maverick. Get over it? Do you mean like the left got over losing to GWB or Ronald Reagan? America has been fundamentally changed and not for the better and I doubt we will ever be the great country we once were, thanks in large part to Barrack Obama's misguided leadership! He has America's very soul lost in the jungle of secularism and socialism.

    Joe Blow: California spends more money on welfare and other unearned entitlements than any state in the union, has the highest taxes and they have the highest deficits of all states! People and businesses (taxpayers and job creators) are leaving in droves leaving guess who?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 1, 2013 6:07 a.m.

    More sour grapes from the right.

    Obama won, now get over it.

    Your repub party still has worse approval ratings than the democrats or president. Watcha gonna do to fix that? Continue to bash Obama? Great strategy....

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 1, 2013 4:26 a.m.


    "The only reason the House has passed something is because they don't need 60%"

    Exactly right. Maybe the right is just uninformed. Maybe they are unaware that the house can pass ANYTHING it want with zero democratic votes.

    They act as if this is some major failure by the democrats. In reality it is a failure of our congress, both R and D, to construct bi-partisan legislation.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:16 p.m.

    Objective, thoughtful criticism? No. Whining? Yes.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    The only reason the House has passed something is because they don't need 60% of the vote to pass something. The only reason the Senate has not passed somethig is because with GOP filibusters on just about everything these days they need 60% of the votes to pass something. If you reverse it and make the House need 60% and the Senate need 50% then the Senate would be the only one with a bill passed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    "Obama has proven to be a very dishonest, and disingenuous man that seems to care nothing for America - it's past or it's future. Both he his wife have an obvious and ugly hatred of traditional America and see themselves as the orchestrator s of fundamental change to our freedoms, to our constitution, to our capitalistic way of life. To most of us who understand and hate communism and all its ugly cousins of progressive socialism - the things Barack and Michelle are attempting to do to America amounts to out right tyranny."

    That might be your reason for hating Obama... but it's not a reason based in reality. I thought Bush did a terrible job as president and thought his policies were not good ideas more often than not. But I didn't think he had any "ugly hatred of America". You can't seem to get over the idea that there are people who disagree with you who aren't evil.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    The House has passed 2 resolutions to refine the cuts, but the democratic senate has yet to act on them.

    The president has said he will not accept any bill that does not include another tax increase.

    So why should the representatives sit is session? They have done their part. They will get the cuts so many of us know we need, and the senate and president refuse to refine.

    What the representatives should do instead is travel the country making speeches about how the president and the senate are refusing to meet their obligations, just like the president has done regarding them.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    And where are the courageous Republican members of the House and Senate now? Hint - it isn't in Washington, DC.

    To be fair, so are the Democrats.

    They need to be there, in session, at least acting like they care.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 28, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    " Obama won the election because like the majority of people living in your state, people wanting more freebies elected him. That is a fact!"

    Mountanman. California receives less in Government money than it put in.

    Utah receives MORE government money than it puts in. Who is getting the "freebies"?

    If I lived in Utah, I would not use this argument against a Californian.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:34 p.m.

    This tired old tone has not worked before what makes you think it is going to magically persued anyone know? It just sounds like sour grapes.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 28, 2013 7:15 p.m.

    @ Truthseeker. Obama won the election because like the majority of people living in your state, people wanting more freebies elected him. That is a fact!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Feb. 28, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    #1 Obama has issued fewer executive orders per day in office than George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Calvin Coolidge. In fact, you have to go all the way back to Grover Cleveland in the nineteenth century to find a president who has issued executive orders at a lower rate than Obama.

    #2. The record is clear. Republican Senate Minority, now Majority leader Mitch McConnell clearly stated the Republican's goal was to deny Obama a 2nd term. So accusing Pres. Obama of not working with Republicans? Get serious. Even Ari Fleisher, Bush's press secretary acknowledged the more Obama's fingerprints are on legislation the less likely Republicans will pass the legislation. Republicans are pandering to their narrow base which demands party purity and no compromise. The majority of Americans view the Republican Party as too extreme.

    #3. Romney and Republicans lost the election by their own words and policies which included demonizing 47% of the American population, women and minorities. Appealing only to white conservative males just isn't a winning strategy.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    You Tea Partiers could dislike Obama's policies and it would be fine. It's your constant hyperbole that I find ridiculous. Obama can't just have policies you dislike. Instead he "hates America" and is a "communist or socialist," or better yet, a "thug". If you talk about his religion, you assume he has got to be a religion you personally totally disrespect. You are positive he was born in Kenya, although there is absolutely no evidence of that. According to your constant need for exaggerating, he's not just a bad leader, he's THE WORST leader ever seen in the history of the world, maybe even the universe! Don't you ever wonder that you might be just a tad bit irrational about this man?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    re:one old man

    you need to try to understand the REASONS why Obama is so hated in this country and it certainly has nothing to do with his race. Obama has proven to be a very dishonest, and disingenuous man that seems to care nothing for America - it's past or it's future. Both he his wife have an obvious and ugly hatred of traditional America and see themselves as the orchestrator s of fundamental change to our freedoms, to our constitution, to our capitalistic way of life. To most of us who understand and hate communism and all its ugly cousins of progressive socialism - the things Barack and Michelle are attempting to do to America amounts to out right tyranny.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 28, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    America is no longer a great nation with great people. We have become a nation where the majority believe they are entitled to receive what they didn't work for. Obama is proof!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    Sometimes, (no, really it's too often) the hate Obama comments here boggle the mind of a sane person.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm really tired of this guy. He's done nothing and what policies he has instituted have been a disaster. Can't wait for 2016, that is, if I can afford it.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    What do people really expect from a Chicago thug who won his first election not through his own qualifications, but by getting his opponent’s divorce records unsealed and then proceeding to smear him with distortions of very intimate details? His scorched earth unethical campaign against Romney (highlighted by a chronically lying Stephanie Cutter) was merely a repeat of the same old bully Obama

    Obama can’t win by the logic of his policies (there is none) - his only option is to destroy everyone else in his path. He makes Nixon look like a choirboy

    Obama offers NOTHING to govern with. So ongoing bullying to divert attention from reality will be spewed for the next 4 years.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    The problem is that Republicans state that they gave in to higher taxes. That is actually incorrect.

    Republicans let the tax increases happen at the end of 2012 and then in early 2013 agreed to lower taxes for all except those making more than $400,000 (Single) and $450,000 (Married).

    So when Republicans say they gave into tax increases, they are lying. Tax increases were coming and they didn't do anything to stop it. This is the same thing that Democrats can say. Both parties can claim to have lowered taxes too.

    Do to this, Republicans can't say that they gave in on tax increases, because they didn't.

    What Republicans are saying is something like the following:

    You check out a book from the library, renew it a couple of times and then return it on the day it is due. 3 Days later, you then state that you donated the book to the library.

    For those that need help, the book references the higher taxes that kept getting renewed and eventually came due. By not renewing the taxes, you are not raising taxes.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 28, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Obama is the best politician to ever inhabit the White House. No one - and I mean no one - even comes close. The man is a wizard. Unfortunately he also has the dubious distinction of being the worst leader and worst president in American history. So BEST politician WORST leader...yes Barack gets the prize. His tactics are really quite predictable and simple as we have all seen over the past 4.5 years. The man doesn't lead - he campaigns. The man doesn't negotiate with the other side - he campaigns. The man doesn't hammer out bi-partisan solutions like Clinton did in his second term - he campaigns instead. EVERYTHING is about campaigning to the public - his public. His tools - Late Night with Letterman , The Tonight Show with Leno as well as his lap dog media outlets. Going to union friendly cities in Ohio and Michigan are favorite stops too for Barack to gin up his people into a frenzy. There are always the familiar props too such as old folks or children or police or whomever serves his purpose at the moment. Actually govern ? HA! Not going to happen. The man has zero experience governing or leading anything.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Feb. 28, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Don't you dems just get sick of it sometimes? I'm so tired of his face on tv telling us what we should do, travelling on our dime to make (campaign?) speeches, playing golf, spending money, dividing the country between rich and poor, black and white, Repubs & dems. You've bought it and I can't stand it!