New sources of support for immigration reform

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  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 26, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    It is strange that the reporter didn't mention polls or even the recent article in the DN that indicates a disconnect between Christian leaders (with growing Hispanic congregations) and their membership on the issue of amnesty.
    And Rand Paul's support has more to do with his Libertarianism than the Tea Party.
    If the reporter meant to say that the elites consider themselves citizens of the world then she has a good point. Her implications that Americans are softening on amnesty are nothing more than wishful thinking. She's way out of her league to define national trends. Let her stick to Yapias soundbites.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    I perceive three main arguments against welcoming more immigrants.
    1. We have laws that restrict it.
    2. We fear they take jobs away from us.
    3. Foreigners are less deserving than U.S. citizens.

    I believe #3 is the main reason behind the anti-immigration sentiment, but no one wants to appear prejudiced in a nation that was built by immigrants--a nation that believes in equality, all men being created equal, and 'e pluribus unum'.

    #2 is a groundless fear. Economists know that immigrants stoke the economy, but many workers don't want to believe it. Skeptics should study what happened to states who recently drove immigrants out (Arizona and Alabama). They should also see how areas with the greater influx of immigrants are also the areas experiencing larger wage increases.

    That leaves #1. Why is immigration illegal for most who want to come,even when there are jobs waiting for them? Because we, the people demanded it. We were stupid and prejudiced. We believed arguments #2 and #3. Our crime of protectionism hurt both us and them.

    Amnesty is only a correction for past mistakes. The best course from now on is to allow MORE LEGAL IMMIGRATION!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    To "CWEB" think about what you said. You said that the illegals come here illegally because it is too difficult to come here legally.

    Who set up the current system? Who is it that currently is in charge of the system?

    Now, do you think that the people who set up the system and are running it are competent enough to streamline it and make it easier and quicker to get into the US legally?

    Think of it this way, you have clumsiest child breaking things in your house, now you ask that same child to fix them? Is that wise?

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    The article states:

    "Many Republicans are beginning to question the sources for their information on the economic and social impacts of immigration, which include the Center for Immigration Studies and Numbers USA, after Mother Jones linked the organizations' founder to a group that supports strict population control and has also backed abortion, sterilization and other policies at odds with conservative ideology"


    While immigration reform and those who oppose it has had bi-partisan support and opposition, I would say that left-wing Democrats have generally been in support of pro-amnesty immigration reform more so than Republicans.

    The pro-abortion, pro-population control groups are typically linked to left-wing liberal Democrat positions. Therefore, these agendas are more tightly coupled to pro-amnesty immigration reform groups rather than anti-amnesty groups.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    The "devil is in the details".

    For those illegal trespassers who choose NOT to participate in either Rubio's or Obama's "path to citizenship" - will the "new" law be enforced?


    Obama doesn't enforce the one now, why would he want to enforce a new law?

    BTW - as bad as various political parties and PAC's want to make this issue partisan, I'm not sure it is.
    Based on comments here and other places, people just want jobs for their fellow Americans FIRST.
    The lobbyists for unethical/illegal employers though are exceedingly powerful.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    For once there is something I agree with Chris B on. The reform that needs to be done should start with the immigration bill authored and sponsored by Ted Kennedy that made it harder for highly qualified immigrants to enter the US and easier for those from 3rd World Countries to come in. If the government would enforce E-verify a lot would deport themselves. But it goes against the grain to reward people for breaking the law.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    In Les Miserables Jean Valjean steals bread in his homeland which happens to be France. After he leaves prison he remains in France but travels to another ommunity.
    I believe Chris B's point was that if we forgive people who enter without legal standing and steal ID's etc, then we should also forgive those with legal standing for theft to help their families have a better life. Also a parent might kidnap their children to give them a better life and deserve forgiveness.
    We allow 1 million legal immigrants each year and 10% are from Mexico as are approx. 7 million illegal immigrants already here. Do they deserve even more opportunituy than people in the other 180 Nations just because they share a border with us?

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    The reason there has not been "comprehensive reform" for immigration is simple. Most Americans oppose it. And most Americans oppose it because it represents the following:

    Immigration "reform" ==> more cheap labor ==> lower wages/benefits for Americans ==> more profits for the rich ruling elite

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Dear Chris B.

    In Les Miserables--Jean Val Jean steals a loaf of bread for his family to survive. There is no mercy. Is this the world you would like to live in?

    Most illegal immigrants come illegally because the system to come legally is so screwed up. If you haven't dealt with it, you have no understanding to comment on it.

    Like all other government programs, immigration is a mess from top to bottom. Congress and the IRS have encouraged illegal immigration through their policy.

    But to have no mercy, no forgiveness and no understanding for those who have felt drawn to come, is no way to live. If you all think so, please don't go weaping to Les Mis...because the premise and story is the same.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Feb. 25, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    The margin of President Obama's win was small less than 5% of those who voted. And there were a lot of people who did not vote that were eligible to. That hardly makes a mandate in my opinion.

    However, he is correct in that we need to reform immigration by enforcing our laws and punishing both the person who entered without permission and the employer who hired him/her.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 25, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    We should also let bank robbers who have successfuly gone undetected and haven't been caught breaking other laws keep the money they steal.

    Let's also let child kidnappers keep the children they kidnap, if they've had the children in their possession longer than a certain time period.

    Makes sense to me. Let's give the criminals the very thing they broke the law to get.

    Let's encourage and reward criminals.