@MJ and Spag--“In the broader context of all the issues and all the
problems that alcohol is related to, alcohol causes 10 times as many deaths as
it prevents”... You are also ignoring the fact, as cited in
the article, that "alcohol is a carcinogen"!The references
you cited, MJ, were published 6-20 years ago, whereas this latest "study was
the closest look at alcohol-related cancer deaths in 30 years."It seems that you and Spag would rather close your eyes to (or deny) the
proven negatives of drinking, because you don't want to give up your
habit.Finally, consider the heartaches and financial costs to
families, and the broader society, when those who become alcoholics abuse or
neglect their dependents, and are no longer employable and must be supported by
others.MJ, to suggest that people start drinking in order to enjoy a
"longer, happier life" is the height of foolishness!
Just a thankful mormon boy here... glad to have the Word of Wisdom! ;)
Mountanman- not everyone who drinks gets drunk. So the hitting in the head with
a hammer thing is a bad example. Money wise, I guarantee you that I spend less
on alcohol than my neighbor does on ice cream and treats. I helped them with
their weekly costco haul last saturday eve and was appalled at the way they feed
their kids. Of course she had to mention that it was nice of me to leave my beer
on my driveway as I walked over to help, but help I did. I lugged about 20-30
years of life sucking fat, processed, ugliness into their home for them.
I'm sure glad she was worried about my one beer.
Re: ". . . alcohol causes approximately 20,000 cancer deaths a year in the
U.S. . . ."And that doesn't even begin to tote up the
account. Alcohol-related highway deaths are about as high. Alcohol-related gun
deaths add up to a similar sum. The numbers for alcohol-related misery and
family destruction are much, much higher.Nonetheless, liberals have
focused enormous amounts of time and treasure to ban "assault weapons,"
which are related to some minuscule fraction -- less than one-tenth of 1% -- of
the numbers for alcohol-related carnage.Hmmmmm.
Ok, I pulled a few for you El Chango.Alcoholism: Clinical &
Experimental Research, July 14, 2004.Alcohol dosing and total
mortality in men and women: An updated meta-analysis of 34 prospective studies.
Archives of Internal Medicine, 2006, 166, 2437-2445.Follow up study
of moderate alcohol intake and mortality among middle aged men in Shanghai,
China. British Medical Journal, 1997, 314, 18-23.Alcohol consumption
and mortality among women. The New England Journal of Medicine, 1995, 332(19),
@El Chango Supremo,It's common knowledge and has been for
years. I'd post links, but Dnews won't allow it.However,
this story and its research has already been called into question. Dr. R. Curtis
Ellison, MD, Professor of Medicine & Public Health, at Boston University
School of Medicine counters saying, “Physiologic studies suggest that
these are not diseases of light to moderate drinkers, as a certain amount of
alcohol is required to produce these diseases.” ..... “Given that
almost ALL prospective studies show that regular moderate drinkers have better
health as they age and LIVE LONGER than lifetime abstainers, even papers focused
on the effects of alcohol on any particular disease should present a balanced
view on its net effects on health and disease.”
@ mintjulip"Yet it is a fact that drinkers outlive
non-drinkers."According to what study published in what
scientific journal?I'm calling nonsense on that one!
I guess its just important to know your family health history:History of cardiovascular issues, moderate drinking may be helpful.History of certain cancers, moderate drinking may not be helpful.
This is a very skewed-perspective article. It is akin to focusing on the fact
thousands die every year from drowning when studying whether or not water is
beneficial to humans.Yes, it is very likely that alcohol increases
the rate of SOME cancers. However, it also vastly reduces the likelihood of
dying from cardiovascular disease. In reality, for every moderate drinker that
dies from cancer caused by alcohol, 5 moderate drinkers are saved from dying by
other causes.The largest and most robust studies have consistently
found that moderate drinkers have a lower "all cause" mortality rate
than either abstainers or heavy drinkers (some studies suggest as high as 50%
greater mortality for abstainers & heavy drinkers than moderate drinkers).
Yet it is a fact that drinkers outlive non-drinkers. You are going
to die one way or another. You are more likely to have a longer life if you
drink and a happier, more pleasant one in my opinion!
Why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol? Why not just hit yourself in the
head with a hammer everyday, the effects are about the same and think of the
money (and the cancer) you could save?
That's OK. Neither the church nor the threat of cancer, which seems to come
with all aspects of being alive, will keep me from enjoying beer moderately. A
saying, often incorrectly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, goes 'beer is
proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy'. Good saying; sounds kind