USU, BYU basketball: A closer look at the most competitive in-state basketball rivalry of the last 15 years

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  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 7:47 p.m.

    Blue Coug

    Great point. Often times I believe one reason the seeding is lower seems to be related to the fact that the Y refuses to play on Sunday so they get put in where they fit. I don't have research to back this assumption up, but it makes sense to me.

    Not complaining just stating what seems logical.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Where do you think the post-season struggles of BYU and USU stem from?"

    Short answer (for BYU): Seeding

    In the 31 NCAA tournament games BYU has played since 1979 when the tournament expanded to 40 teams, other than 8/9 match-ups, which are basically toss-ups, the only time BYU has lost to a lower-seeded team was 1980 when #3-seed BYU lost to #6-seed Clemson 66-71.

    BYU is 6-1 in games in which BYU was the higher seed; the Cougars are 2-11 in games in which BYU was the lower seed.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 20, 2013 3:01 p.m.


    Using the feeble argument that Utah fans like to use in football,

    BYU now owns the overall series lead and has won 11 of the last 12 head-to-head match ups, including a complete demolition of the Utes on their home floor only a couple of years ago.

    As BlueCoug stated,

    "Utah's post-season success is quickly becoming a relic of the past."

    Nothing in your post rebutted that statement.

    It is curious that there are more comments from Utah fans about this BYU/USU article, than are posted on the article about Utah's big game with Colorado.

    Feeling a little left out?

    Maybe U could summon up the courage to start playing Utah St and Weber St again so you'd feel more like you're part of the rivalry discussion.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    @ BlueCoug

    Utah has struggled greatly since 2000, which is why I'm using them as a measuring stick. My post was not meant to spark a conversation about Utah. The question was, and still is, were do you think the post-season struggles of BYU and USU stem from?

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 1:01 a.m.


    Everyone can spin it however they like but the article is about the best rivalry in the state in basketball. In the state of Utah, the U of U's basketball team is irrelevant. Success apparently left with Majerus, and he isn't coming back. As of now, the Utes are battling Weber State for the title of 3rd best team in the state.

    Quick questions. Applying the logic of your final post: Does the Y's National Title in Football, then make their football program the most successful in the state? Or do two BCS wins over an overrated Pitt team and an uninterested Tide team equal a title? If it does equal a National Title, is this another moral victory that U fans are using to help them sleep at night?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    "Utah's post-season success is quickly becoming a relic of the past."

    Please, neither usu nor byu have ever had any post-season success to speak of and you're making a vain attempt to somehow even remotely "diminish" UTAH's post-season success over the years and make it seem as if these recent years in some way even remotely "even-the-slate" or, brace yourself, promote usu/byu as being even remotely more successful overall programs? WOW.

    I'll just simply state that the byu fanbase never fails to earn in ernest what the vast majority of opposing fanbases nationwide have proclaimed about them for decades now.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:47 p.m.


    "Utah has more tournament wins since 2000 than BYU and USU combined."


    USU is 1-8 in the tournament since 2000.
    BYU is 4-9 in the tournament since 2000.
    Utah is 4-6 in the tournament since 2000.

    Of course BYU's nine losses and USU's eight losses also mean that BYU and USU have both played in more NCAA tournaments than Utah since 2000.

    A not so insignificant accomplishment, especially considering that the Utes have only played in one NCAA tournament game in the last 8 seasons, a humiliating, double-digit loss by a #5 seed to a #12 seed.

    Utah's post-season success is quickly becoming a relic of the past.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:28 p.m.


    While a legit question, the article isn't about number of quality wins in March. The article is about the best rivalry for in-state basketball. Yes, nearly fifteen years ago the U was the class of the state in basketball, but those days like Rick Majerus have passed on. The biggest shock for me is the number of moral victories that U fans have had to create over this entire season.

    Once again BYU vs. USU is the best rivalry for in-state basketball in the last several years.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    Don't know what the problem with BYU in the big one is Two For Flinching. But I happen to know USU is a choke master when it comes to the first round. Pitty because you think with all those tournament appearences over the years that USU would actually win one round.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    Utah has more tournament wins since 2000 than BYU and USU combined. Why is it that the Cougs and Aggies have so much trouble in March?

    I'm not trying to troll. I think that's a legitimate question...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    Carnak - You're thinking of football, not basketball. And now that the Aggies are in the MWC, the football game will likely rotate every other year.

    What most Aggies don't realize is USU wanted the 2 for 1 as much as the Cougs. The cash strapped Aggie team made a whole lot more money playing in Provo than Logan. The MWC deal should put a few more bucks into the Aggie coffers than the WAC deal did.

    In basketball, does anyone ever play two games against a non-conference opponent? I wouldn't mind seeing a home and home with the Aggies every year if that is possible.

    Looking forward to the game in 15 minutes!

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    The series between BYU and Utah State was a good rivalry before Morrill and Rose entered the competition. Any fan with a memory that goes back more than a decade already recognizes this.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:40 p.m.


    7 games in Logan, 6 games in Provo, 1 game in SLC, and tonight's game in Provo.

    Seems pretty even to me, but maybe they do math differently up in Logan.

  • jimbo049 North Logan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    I've followed Aggie basketball for nearly 50 years and I've always thought USU has seen BYU as a series in-state rival. There has always been a tremendous amount of respect for BYU. I believe the basketball teams, for the most part, have recognized the rivalry. If there is a lacking in the rivalry I believe it sits on the shoulders of the BYU fans who absolutely hate to think USU is worthy to carry their jock strap. Many are predicting a BYU blowout tonight. It might just happen given everything that's happened this year, but make no mistake about it, USU will carry no one's jock strap.

    Feb. 19, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Hey Carnak, maybe you didn't read the article correct, but it says of the last 14 meetings seven have been in Logan, six in Provo and one in Salt Lake. That seems like pretty even odds to me. Just another Aggie fan with little brother syndrome.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    Wonder what the win/loss record would be between the two if BYU would actually agree to play in Logan every other year.