Mom crossed border illegally but wants family to stay together

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  • Swiss Price, Utah
    March 17, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Yes, the immigration laws need to be changed from the way Ted Kennedy left them. They already prefer poorly educated people from poor countries. My great grand parents could not get into the country today even though they could speak both German and French. Karl was a locomotive engineer but that wouldn't get him into the country today because he was European. Ted didn't want anymore educated immigrants they couldn't count on voting as they were told. Ted didn't even want passive Canadians.
    So let's fix the laws and bring in the best and brightest not the most diverse. Let's encourage those with advanced degrees to stay here instead of return to their birth countries. Let's make a law that is in our national interest and let's do it now.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    It's very difficult to be compassionate with anyone, when for years we have ignored compassion towards ourselves.

    Americans must be compassionate for ourselves, because no one else is.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    I feel compelled to correct the impression you left about current immigration policy. We issue a million green cards a year,about 65% of which are for family unification purposes. A much smaller group is admitted on a skills-based criterion.
    Obviously, these green cards are not being issued in the self-interest of our economy.
    Those admitted are competing head-to-head with our teens and low-skill poor who need jobs.
    And we immediately offer our social services.
    A large number of immigrants are from Mexico, despite its small size and relative prosperity. This is due to the chain migration policies that exist today.
    Our immigration policy also admits refugees and asylees.
    So, I would beg to differ with your comment that, "US Immigration policy has been driven by fear, prejudice, and the self-interest of those in power."

  • Harley Rider Small Town, CT
    Feb. 20, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    Well the law clearly states - you have to follow the process to a T. And that process is a series of steps and if all requirements are met, you become a legal citizen. Now that law also says that if you are here illegally then you are to be deported, no matter what Obama says and his pity party henchmen.

    The Swiss have the perfect immigration policy - You must have $20,000 in the bank , You must have full medical coverage . And why is that - cause they do not want to tax their system and have their citizens pay for those who have paid nothing into that system . You must have a trade or profession that will be of benefit. If & this is a BIG IF -the employment rate of Switzerland goes above 5% - deported you are

    Illegals have Decimated our Schools , Our Medical Industry , Our Social Services ie Food Stamps , housing vouchers , social security - and they never paid one dime into these programs

    How about Securing the Border? O that just makes to much sense

    Feb. 20, 2013 1:23 a.m.

    Jonathan Eddy

    Your quote is off badly. the the land goes to Gentiles, Jewish. and Laminate. God will leadt them and raise them up at their time.

    How can a person use Gods words, and them be so intolerant of the citizens that are being hurt?

    This lady chose to break our laws, and leave her children behind. 10 years can add a lot of facts to a story. My family came from Mexico (large part) legally.I have heard a lot of stories to justify law breaking. It sounds like IC doesn't believe hers.

  • CabezaMan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    Still compelled.

    @KC Mormon – “The problem is it is not as simple as that. What of all the people who ARE waiting in line they way they should to come to this country legally? For every Illegal you must tell one legal attempt they must wait. People say our system is broken, it is so hard to come legally. Do they stop and think why that is? …their place is being taken by those who refuse to obey the law.”

    In spite of butchering your native language, who in the world told you that’s how it works? I assure you, US immigration policy is not based on who’s taking whose spot illegally, but kudos for the chuckle. US Immigration policy has been driven by fear, prejudice, and the self-interest of those in power. Do some research and learn something about US immigration history. For crying out loud!

  • CabezaMan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    This is a ridiculous circular argument, and all the back-and-forth is not going to change anyone’s mind. But this Gringo feels compelled to try.

    @Rlsintx “It's called the order of law, and we used to believe in it … including my (legal) immigrant parents.” First, I think you meant the “rule of law.” Secondly, your parents probably immigrated under a completely different set of rules. Are you aware that there was no such thing as “illegal immigration” until we started restricting certain groups that began with Asians just before the beginning of the 20th Century. Restrictions of Latin immigrants only began in the 1950s.

    @joseywales – “So, I need money right now too. It's my slow season and my savings are almost exhausted. So I'm going to go rob a bank.”

    Nice analogy. Duh, that’s so not the same. Whatever!

    @Gregorio – “My mother is an immigrant from Germany.”

    Germany? That’s your comparison to the oppressive, drug dominated, dictatorial and socialistic regimes, and decrepit economic conditions of Latin America? Seesh, I’m not even going to waste my time.

  • ryrye mccall , ID
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    Really ? For those who believe sympathy is limitless, that resources are inexhaustible and wish to grant every needy person the world over a place in America... please feel free to do so with YOUR tax dollars ONLY and have them live ONLY in YOUR neighborhood and ATTEND only YOUR schools ! Stop extending charity to all with other people's hard earned money and jeapordized futures so you can bathe in your own sanctimonious soap bubbles... The primary function of Government is to PROTECT property rights and this begins at the Border!! Our government fails us if it fails to support the laws on the books.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:36 p.m.

    This woman is shedding alligator tears. She knows that, if she can convince enough people to let her stay and all the other illegal immigrants, which some say number in the 20 to 30 millions, they will not have to learn English and they can eventually vote politicians in who are sympathetic to their cause. The end result? Our Hispanic neighbors to the south eventually will take over our country... and not a shot was fired.

    We may well be too late. We can see the handwriting on the wall with the Obama win over Mitt Romney. Obama announced amnesty just prior to the elections to get the Hispanic vote. Romney's position was that illegals should self deport. Guess who won?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    I am appalled at some of the comments on here. For those who are LDS are your comments in agreement with the official position of the LDS church on immigration. I seriously doubt it. America has always been a place of refuge for the oppressed. Many claim we can't solve the worlds problems. I diagree. We are under covenant to be charitable and care for the poor and needy, wherever they may be. That dose not mean I support illegal immigration. I support humanity for others. I hope the lady and her family are allowed to stay.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:40 p.m.

    A few have commented on my point about illogical laws. To clear any misunderstanding, I am not saying immigration laws are illogical. I am making the point that just because something is a law does not make it right. Many arguments exist for enforcing immigration laws. But the least persuasive one is "because it's the law", even though that's the one most often stated.

  • milicent Mansfield, Qld
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    It's hard to believe that so many children of undocumented immigrants that arrived in Utah under threat of extermination can be so harsh in their attitude towards the modern-day equivalent of their forebears.
    Good, I think, to take the attitude of "this individual case is wrong, let's make it right". Better to pass less-harsh undocumented immigrant laws in Utah. Best to act quickly as a nation to fix what is clearly broken.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    @ "allblack" So what would you tell the immigrants that get in line, pay thousands of dollars, wait years to emigrate legally?

    @ "tmr" Whether illegal trespassers victimize our society collectively, or randomly, we ALL pay the "damages".
    If "private property rights" are not synonymous with "territorial rights".....Should we have no borders at all? You do realize (I hope)that the U.S.A. IS a sovereign nation. (It doesn't yet belong to Mexico)

    Memofromademo is spot on with his analogy.

    BTW - since BOTH these posters are from Kalyfornia, tell us, (without your rose colored glasses) how Kalyfornia, and its budget are doing as they are the lead sanctuary state. Last time I was there, the roads were falling apart, most sections of L.A. no one would dare walk in in daytime, much less at night.
    Various posters here on the DN, that are from Kalyfornia have referred to abysmal, or worse conditions.
    Based on what I saw the sanctuary attitude isn't working out so well!

  • Jewell in the Crown Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    The punishment (deportation) does fit the crime. If she isn't deported, shame on us for our lack of commonsense, the lack thereof poignantly established by the article actually being published in a newspaper.

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    9 years and it's still "through the translator".....Enough already.

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    So they can all go home together. Problem solved!

  • AllBlack San Diego, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:45 p.m.


    My point was to make the punishment fit the crime. Murder requires life sentences, breaking immigration law should have an appropriate penalty like a fine if a judge sees that these people are already working and living here permanently.

    "If America is as bad as you say, we should have not have 12 million illegals here"

    You miss the point again; those stats, especially the 41st place for life expectancy show america's decline. It's not the greatest country in the world any more. Only those so called illegals, who do want to be Americans, testify of the countries greatness. They take many risks and sacrifice much in the hope of one day becoming Americans. These illegals shouldn't just be kicked out because of a misdemeanor. People have done worse, like assault, and got away with no conviction recorded and only a fine. And the other crimes illegals commit, like ID and social security fraud, are just a consequence of their inability to obtain residency although they do find work and housing.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    @ Paloma
    Sociologists are often family/marrriage counselors. They would need to speak Spanish to communicate and counsel Spanish speaking clients, of which there must be many if speaking Spanish is a requirement for the job. Which brings up another issue. Why don't they learn English if they are so grateful to be here in the US. Spanish isn't the universal language as far as I know.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    To MemoFromA Demo: the analogy you posit about a home-break-in is absurd. It makes no sense: U.S. territorial rights are not analogous to private property rights. So, no - I am not going to post my address (I have had undocumented immigrants to my home in connection with LDS church functions), although you would be welcome to drop by (yes, even without documentation that you really are a "Demo") for some butter, milk, bread, or whatever else you need.

  • Neanderthal Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    "What is more important...obeying the law or taking care of your family?"

    I think I see your point. I am making plans to rob a bank so that I can feed my family. Thanks for the hint as to what I need to be doing.

    "What if the law is a law of privilege---some people are entitled to more because of where they happened to be born?"

    You grow where you're born. You need to watch 'Immigration Gumballs' on YouTube.

    "Don't criticize undocumented immigrants if you would choose the same path they did if you were in their shoes."

    I would stay home and help grow the country of my origin. That's what immigrants should do.

    @raybies: "She should be allowed to stay."

    She will... Obama, who's an immigrant himself, will see to that.

    Feb. 19, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    Several years ago I had dinner in Washington, D.C., with a former police reporter for a California newspaper. He said those who cover the immigration issue are "scribes," not reporters. What he meant was that whatever illegal immigrants and their advocates say, journalists will simply write it down verbatim and not ask tough questions normally associated with responsible journalism.

    One question that reporters (and their editors) never consider is this one: Is it fair that while 20 million Americans can't find full-time work, the federal government is permitting 7 million illegal immigrants keep their non-farming payroll jobs in the construction, manufacturing, transportation, service and hospitality industries
    Our coalition also has, to use Nichols' words, "little taste for most editors, reporters and commentators" who comprise the "kept press" that devotes their time to carrying water for a business community relying on cheap and exploitable illegal foreign workers while throwing millions of Americans under the bus

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    She crossed the border illegally, but so too did we break Indian treaties illegally when gold was discovered on Indian land and then go to that land illegally to get it.

    Are Republicans the party of family values as they claim? It appears that many are and that many are not.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    To Jonathan Eddy in Payson, Utah:
    You quote scripture as if its incumbent on LDS peoples to be tolerant of illegal immigrants. But don't you Mormons also have a scripture that says something about believing that you should honor and sustain the laws of the land? Have you conveniently forgotten to include that in your defense of illegal activity.

    And to AllBlack in San Diego, California:
    You defend illegal immigrants while at the same time trashing the United States. You cite facts such as the US is 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 48th in life expectance, 3rd in household income, then state, "there is nothing to show that the US is the greatest nation in history, except maybe the will of these immigrants who want to live in America." But, please, don't leave out the rest of the story. Tell us what the immigration laws are in the countries that rank higher than the U.S.. And please, tell us how these illegal immigrants have put strain on our schools, -- financially and academically, -- and effected our overall performance. Like Jonathan Eddy (see above), you only choose to tell us those things that support your narrative.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    There were many who have become victims of those who are here only to 'take'. As mentioned
    these stories are not told. The monetary loss, property loss, identity loss, are not told.
    Not to speak of the loss of Medical, Educational, and Welfare and in many cases Social
    Security benefits taken by those who do so without legal standing.
    If we fail to enforce the law, it become meaningless, not only for those who are illegal, but
    for citizens as well when they see it bent and twisted for those not entitled to benefit
    from breaking it.

  • Paloma10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    To Calu: Not too many "illegal" immigrants have sociology degrees. I am sure that they are not lining up ahead of to, to take your job. Why don't you take a Spanish course? I took French so that I could learn a third language, I know it's hard, but when you stretch yourself to learn another language, you gain so much insight to people who are "different" from you and your culture.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    I signed the petition. She technically broke the law, but would you sue someone fleeing from a gang who happens to find refuge in your home for trespassing? Looking at the comments above some people would.

    Regarding the stealing jobs argument. American prosperity is rooted in the principles of free market. In a free market you do not steal a job, you outbid a competitor. If you are being outbid by a competitor that can do what you do for a lower price, admit it to yourself and others, and do something to be better. English is not my first language, yet I would be quite embarrassed to have to admit that my job is being "threatened" by somebody who can barely speak it, and who may even be illiterate in his own language.

    Does our education system produce people that cannot compete in a job market against somebody who does not even speak our language? For $8K/year per child tax payer cost? How much hot pepper on the rear end does it take before we stop sitting on it comfortably and just accepting this embarrassing fact?

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    There are citizens of the U.S. that live at or below the poverty level that can not get what these illegals get.

  • Mary E Petty Sandy, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    Our resolution of the US immigration law debacle will preserve America or destroy it. The ramifications of our actions will speak volumes about who we really are. The steps we take and leadership we give in Utah in 2013 are critical.

    Will it be "Off with your heads!" like the Queen of Hearts told Alice for falling down the rabbit hole into her lush garden? Or will it be an eye for an eye from our old time religion? Or will we be Solomon-wise and offer to slice the family in half if the mother will go back and sacrifice her life for her sons? Or will we follow the new law, "Love one another and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Forgive one another as I have forgiven you. Repent. Go thy way and sin no more."

    Who are we really? It is time to show the world: fix the bad immigration law and institute just and merciful law. If we don't, what goes around, will come around, and then, even the lawgiver will feel the unmerciful, unjust, unforgiving knife. We all have need of mercy and justice and forgiveness.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    D&C 49:24 But before the great day of the Lord shall come, Jacob shall flourish in the wilderness, and the Lamanites shall blossom as the rose.

    The American continent, according to LDS scripture, is set as the land of the Lamanite inheritance. When the Lord does come and removes man made borders, I sure hope our Lamanite neighbors have the ability to forget the comments made by some of these neighborly Desnews posters.

    Ancestors of European land and human conquerors may someday be begging for the same kind of blessings as those today that are so easily denied by people of faith.

  • KingmanAZ Kingman, AZ
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    What bothers me about this story is that this woman doesn't speak "English" and she has been in this country since 2003.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    Go back, file papers and do it legally. Otherwise, deport any of them who are here illegally. It's called the order of law, and we used to believe in it in this country - including my (legal) immigrant parents.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    I always find it somewhat bizarre that politicians stand around trying to figure out how to lower the unemployment rate, then, in their next breath, talk about legalizing 20-30 million new (largely unemployed)workers.

    BTW - the 11million number is the number used by the amnesty advocates. The actual numbers of illegal immigrants is between 20-30 million. Its estimated that Kalifornia has between 3-4 million alone!

    Gov. Herbert and the Utah legislature cackles and crows about "saving money" yet they have no problem providing free: education, WIC, food stamps, etc. to at least 100,000 people who AREN'T supposed to be here. Apparentally theft of government services is o.k. as long as unethical/illegal employers send in a campaign cash donation.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    Allblack- you make it sound like why would anyone from Mexico want to come here? I'm wondering that myself. If America is as bad as you say, we should have not have 12 million illegals here. I mean, anyone with a brain can see that by your standards, this is not a place to come legally, yet alone Illegally! Pay a fine and go back to work you say? Why have laws? Maybe we should do your system with all laws. Murder someone? Pay a fine (hopefully a large one) Rape or assault? pay a fine! Do away with the courts! I see a money savings program here for sure. I'm sure glad we don't have the fence built yet, we'll save money not ripping it down. Let's just put out a video on Youtube proclaiming that America is now open! No laws, no borders. Come one, come all.

    BTW, her family has the right to be together with her back in her country. I wonder why they don't want to go?

  • calu Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    I am 50 years old, I earned a degree in Sociology from the U of U in 2010. I have yet to find a job in my field with one reason I keep running into-I don't speak Spanish. I was born in the U.S. as were my parents their parents etc. I will never understand why we continue to allow to these people who don't speak English ( and don't have to because it is up to us to learn Spanish ) to stay here and take our jobs, crowd our schools, and use up the community resources given to everybody.

  • AllBlack San Diego, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    @DN Subscriber 2

    "there is nothing preventing them all from returning ...until she can come here LEGALLY"

    current US visa application process makes it highly unlikely that she can return legally. Plus there's about a 10 year wait to find out.

    "Those who choose to break our laws make bad choices and there are consequences for bad, or illegal actions"

    Sure, and make the punishment fit the crime too. Let her pay the fine, and maybe forfeit any path to citizenship.

    "and eventually become citizens of, the greatest nation in history"..

    Is it? The US is about 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 48th in life expectancy!, 3rd in medium household income.. It does lead the world in persons incarcerated per capital and military spending. There is nothing to show that the US is the greatest nation in history....EXCEPT maybe the will of these immigrants who want to live in america, only people like this Anna and the 12 million odd illegal residents are the only evidence that america can still call itself 'great' but you and several more commentators here want to deport them all?

    Just make them pay the fine and go back to work.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    I love all of these soft hearts saying "what would you do if you needed to take care of your kids"? Well, so breaking a law is ok as long as it means you're taking care of your family? So, I need money right now too. It's my slow season and my savings are almost exhausted. So I'm going to go rob a bank. That's illegal, but some of you are saying it's ok to break laws as long as it means that I'm using the money to take care of family. I promise I won't buy trips, cars, jewelry with it. Just food, mortgage and monthly expenses. Who's in?

    Here's the thing. She broke the law to get here. She knowingly put herself in a predicament that she knew someday could bite her. Too bad. I am supportive of immigration done legally. Done illegally, there should be no bending laws just because someone has a sob story.

  • Paloma10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    The problem is that she is the wrong color. This country is becoming more and more racist.
    When people write of their families "legal" entry into this country, mostly because they are coming in from a European Country. What they fail and refuse to acknowledge is that people who are from here, ancestraly always traveled back and forth, before the invasion of the white man, and the fairly recent "borders". You love your rules and borders, but as a Native American, I and many others see you as the orginal illegals.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Easy to resolve. Deport them all back to their country of origin.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    To "terra nova" if we did as you suggest, the US would be overrun with terrorists and people who do not have the US's best interest in mind. Do you really want to make the US less safe by turning it into the world's dumping ground for their unwanted?

    Feb. 19, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    El Salavador has a wait of 2-3 years. She could of come here legally with a little parience.

  • CUT Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    I would like to see her stay.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    As a young boy I remember my mother working long and hard to provide for our family of 5 kids and Dad. I recall her answer to the question “What is heaven like”. Her answer was that heaven was a place where there was freedom from want.

    Later with my wife through the last half century, praying to a seemingly uncaring God for help with our disintegrating family. Our family disintegrated because of the vices and economy of our commercial world. The failure of our economy came about coincidently with availability of cheap foreign labor.

    It’s sort of like when you are struggling to keep your head above water, some others are trying to save themselves by pulling you under. And the people on shore are chastising you for not helping those others.

    The people who will profit from the immigrants are the those Americans who are working to bring and keep the immigrants.

    Feb. 19, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    no illegal immigrant read that plaque. It pertained to legal immigrants.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Since Latins voted Democrat in the last election I have lost my sympathy for them. I don't want to see America become another Socialist corrupt Mexico. I don't want to see America increase its killing of the unborn. I don't want to see my country support homosexuality.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    "The New Colossus" is a sonnet by Emma Lazarus (1849–87), written in 1883 and, in 1903, engraved on a bronze plaque and mounted inside the lower level of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty.

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    If our emigration policies followed the sentiment of this famous poem, this woman would be allowed to stay.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    The idea of amnesty for illegal immigrants is a slap in the face to all of us who immigrated legally.

  • leroy2 SANDY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Notice that Mark Alvarez did not use the term illegal in his comments. My understanding is there is no legal term of illegal immigration. I believe the term was conjured up by those who are ignorant of the law or intentionally inflammatory.
    It is interesting that in today's DesNews was also an article about Kid's suspension from school because of zero tolerance. It seems that those who are hired help of the government have no problem committing stupid bad behavior in an effort to justify getting a pay check.
    I put the ethics of those trying to be good way above most of government hired help. When the government hired help could be doing good most live a life of quite desperation and as a coward.
    The self labeling complainers using terms like illegal immigration are doing no one any good. Those associated with the dream act can be called heroes for working to fix the broken laws.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    To TMR in Los Angeles, California:

    I'm interested in how empathetic you really are. Please publicly post your home address so that we can refer anyone who is having family problems to come to your home and live there, even though it could be illegally. And while they are there they will eat your food, educate themselves at your expense, and spend your money on healthcare, etc. There is no need to tell us where you hide your house key because they know how to pick your lock and break into your house. And because you're so empathetic and moral, I'm certain that you won't call the cops. But, on the other hand, maybe now that its your personal house and your personal dollars you'll be more understanding why we have laws in our house, -- the United States of America.

  • Unreligious Omaha, NE
    Feb. 19, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Like many other immigration stories that tend to focus on individuals this one is meant to wring tears of compassion from us. Unfortunately, I find it hard to feel too sorry for somebody who had two more kids (by who?) in this country, probably getting medical care free to her (and costing the rest of us more) and who knows what other benefits - food stamps, child medical care, etc.

    As a country we simply can't afford to take on the rest of the world's problems. Our parents and grandparents didn't work hard to build this country just to feed everybody else. My father and I both served in the military but I did it for my family and friends, not for somebody who illegally cuts in front of those waiting their turn.

    Amnesty is a weak political method of trying to gain votes. It is unfair and stupid to admit uneducated individuals who contribute little while at the same time refusing admittance to highly educated engineers and scientists with advanced degrees.

    Maybe I should just decide to ignore some of our laws and then expect amnesty for whatever offense I committed just to make my life easier.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    It is unfortunate that our media uses these tear-jerking stories to try to establish sympathy for these folks that have broken the laws and now it seems to have caught up with them.

    There are many sad stories about illegals that have come here, had children, used our system, and now must meet the obligations of being forced to return, but there are also many sad stories about American citizens whose families and lives have been negatively impacted through stolen identies and lost jobs because of the the illegal invasion. The media does not usually tell these stories.

    Yes, our immigration system is broken but it is because we have been so lax in enforcing the laws for so many years, not because we need more laws.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Just a question - is the United States really the only country in which this family can be together? Could not this family have entered legally or illegally,since laws do not seem to matter to them, into South America or Mexico? They had to go quite a distant to get to New York, why there?
    I married a non-US citizen who is here legally and it costs us quite a bit of money but these folks come in illegally and then the D-News thinks they should write stories that attempt to pull at heart strings for us to support this illegal action, by signing a petition, to allow them to stay.
    Sorry, no dice.

  • TMR Los Angeles, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    This is not even a close call morally. If she is deported, shame on us for our lack of empathy and commonsense, the lack thereof poignantly established by most of the comments thus far (I take solace in my belief that the posts represent a minority of D-News subscribers).

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    My family and I were having problems. So I broke into a prosperous American's home while he was away. I took advantage of all he had, -- I ate his food, I used his health insurance benefits, and I took advantage of his wealth to better my life. I liked it so much that I snuck my four kids into the wealthy American's home and am now using his means to pay for my children's education as well as their food and health care. My kids are doing so well and they really like it here. I liked it so much that I had two more babies with someone else who also broke into the house and is living here illegally. The sad thing is, now I've been discovered by the heartless American. He wants to kick us out of his home and cut us off from all we've enjoyed. We all want to stay. Even though other of my friends have followed the law and are doing things the right way, I feel I deserve to stay regardless of whether or not it is illegal. Please take sympathy on me! I need a Dream Team!

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    She should be allowed to stay.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    The problem is it is not as simple as that. What of all the people who ARE waiting in line they way they should to come to this country legally? For every Illegal you must tell one legal attempt they must wait. People say our system is broken, it is so hard to come legally. Do they stop and think why that is?
    First their place is being taken by those who refuse to obey the law. If they disobey this law what others do they disobey? They are working, do they have forged papers? That is identity theft, yet another crime
    Second there are many who want to come here to harm us. Do you think if a person can cross the border and get fake documents to work they can not do so to kill us?
    Just because someone has not enforced a law in the past does not mean we should not start now. If speed limits are not enforced and people start getting into accidents do we say well lets create new laws or do we say lets enforce the laws we have?

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Feb. 19, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    "Cañenguez also gave birth to a son and a daughter while in the U.S., Luisito and Katy, and they would likely stay with their father, Eusebio Granda, a Mexican national who took Cañenguez in when she initially arrived in Utah. The two have lived together for 10 years."

    I wonder what happened to her husband who is an alcoholic? There is no mention of him other than the children were left with him initialy. And it would appear that she ignored the immigration laws of Guatemala and Mexico as well as the US laws in order to come here.

  • md Cache, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    Come on, DNews. We know where you stand. Quit pushing these sob stories. How about showing the statistics of how illegal immigration affects us all? For every heartbreaking story, such as this, there are many stories of the illegal who is here dealing drugs and breaking our laws. The first law they broke is trespassing to enter the country.

    We have people thrown into jail for failure to pay taxes. Yet, breaking and entering doesn't even warrant a sideways glance in this country.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    This situation makes an excellent case for better ENFORCEMENT.

    The woman was given false hope like so many other trespassers that (somehow)they would be able to proceed with their lawlessness - in perpetuity.

    BTW - you would be hard pressed to find 10 (legal)residents in the community of Kearns who would sign any petition granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. Its hard to find very many residents who haven't been victimized by illegal trespassers; whether it be identity theft, loss of jobs, crowded schools (with all illegals needing spanish teachers), etc.

    The petition would have undoubtedly been signed by OTHER illegal trespassers. Not legal residents.

    As badly as the DN would like to portray illegal trespassing as a "victimless" crime, - its not!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    The Deseret News has a tendency to print every tough luck illegal immigration story that comes along. At the same time, seldom do they tell the stories of those that are effected negatively by the results of illegal immigration.
    They don't write about all the stolen social security numbers and the ruined credit and the years and thousands of dollars it takes for victims to try to fix the problem that they did nothing to incur.
    They don't write about tens of billions in social costs this country incurs as a result of the free schooling, free medicine and other free "entitlements" granted to illegals... all given without anyone needing to admit they are here illegally.
    There is a move underway in Congress to fix the Anchor-baby debacle, since it's commonly known the law has been misunderstood and misapplied on a grand scale.
    There are hundreds of millions of people world-wide who could claim the same circumstances as these people, and who would have good intentions of "just wanting to get ahead" by coming here. It's impossible to accommodate everyone. That's why we have immigration laws and why they need to be enforced.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    In perspective, all hype aside.
    From the Yearbook of Immigration Statistics - 2011
    In the past decade we granted asylum to 260,951 people.
    2,161 of them were from El Salvador.
    We ought to meet some of these asylees and hear their stories.

  • Gregorio Norco, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    My mother is an immigrant from Germany. She waited two years and got a sponser. She learned the language and then married a US citizen after she legally immigrated and received her naturalization papers. My Grandmother from Poland did the same. I was born not as an anchor baby but was born by two US citizens who married, who followed the law of immigration.
    Our laws are on the books and need to be enforced. My father fought for these liberties in war as does my son now as a pilot of the USAF. They risked their lives to protect our countries laws.
    Please law makers and citizns, deport illegals who willingly break our laws and punish the employers who hire them for cheap wages. My mom worked in a US drive in for cheap wages until she received skills to work 30 years for Verizon.
    ENFORCE OUR RULE OF LAW. JUSTICE FOR ALL. Rules that are broken should follow the 3 r's:
    1. Right of choice to obey the law or break a law.
    2. Responsibility to obey laws and making right choices.
    3. Results of breaking the law and making a wrong choice.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 4:46 a.m.

    I wonder just how much John Q. Taxpayer has had to fork out by way of medical care, food stamps, etc. I am for them being allowed to come here, but all at their own expense.

  • HotGlobe SAN RAFAEL, CA
    Feb. 19, 2013 4:39 a.m.

    What is more important...obeying the law or taking care of your family? What if the law is a law of privilege---some people are entitled to more because of where they happened to be born? Don't criticize undocumented immigrants if you would choose the same path they did if you were in their shoes. Or, if you would choose NOT to take care of your family, are you really in a position to criticize anybody?

  • SundanceKid27 OREM, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 1:12 a.m.

    Tough topic and situation. My wife works in at a job that hires Hispanics to work in the kitchen. This amazing work place even offers to pay for these people to go learn English. Rarely will any of them take the paid english classes or if they do they don't last very long. They talk Spanish all the time and even use Spanish to Talk behind the Bosses back.

    It is hard to fix everyone's problems when they don't do the work themselves.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    "Throughout the history of our great nation, numerous illogical laws have been introduced and arbitrarily enforced."

    There's nothing illogical or arbitrary about our immigration laws. A country without immigration laws is no country at all.

    Certainly, the 12 or so million illegals will not be rounded up and sent home. But they should not get jobs since we have about 12 million unemployed Americans. And our unemployed need those jobs before they go to illegal immigrants because Americans need to feed their families and pay the mortgage. Furthermore, our unemployed are sucking up billions in unemployment benefits which this country can ill afford and must borrow most of. So, without employment, illegals would just have to return to their countries of origin and try to make the best of it there. That's the dilemma we face with the immigration problem... If we had full employment and needed workers the immigration problem would likely be much smaller. So we need our immigration laws enforced regardless of how mundane you think they are.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    El Salvador received amnesty in 1993. After that, a person applying for for refugee status has to make the request at the time they entered the country.

    This is why people need to be forced to follow the law. Once the deportation comes you tend to hear all kinds of stories.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    Yes she broke the law, but so would I if my children were in the situation hers were in. Instead of condemning this woman why is there not a call for a better process to let people like her in legally? There is a problem and it's bigger than some mother showing blatant disrespect for the laws of the United States. It should be easier for people like her to enter legally.

    "...worth the wait and the work". Tell her hungry kids that. Statements like this show a great deal of ignorance about the desperate conditions that many people live in. Yes, come legally, but let's focus our energy on makeing it possible for people like her with very little means to do that instead of showing such coldness to human suffering.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    @DNSubscriber2. While I agree with the notion that consequences follow actions, this discussion is far more complicated than the simplistic analysis you provide.

    Throughout the history of our great nation, numerous illogical laws have been introduced and arbitrarily enforced. Some of these remain but are not enforced at all. The existence of a law in and of itself is not reason to prosecute. If we don't ask why, we are no better than animals who are forced to obey without understanding.

    The issue with immigration is well-meaning laws have not been enforced for years (as evidenced by 13 million in the country). To arbitrarily begin to enforce now, as seems to be the case here, can be argued a violation of one's rights as a human being. Further, in this particular situation, the individual "broke" the law only by doing something considered noble throughout history, seeking the right to work to provide food for a family.

    I agree immigration reform is required and enforcement needs to be improved. But to punish previous "offenders" who have committed no real crime seems to be cruel and unusual. At a minimum I would argue the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

  • Way of the Warrior ARLINGTON, WA
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    While all the attention is focused on Ana Cañenguez and her sons, I wonder, will her employer in Tremonton also be held accountable?

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 9:27 p.m.

    She should have thought about that earlier.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Feb. 18, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    A touching story, told for emotional value, by the "Salt Lake Dream Team."

    Maybe an "American Dream Team" should tell this unfortunate woman and her friends a few facts.

    The family can indeed stay together, and there is nothing preventing them all from returning to the mother's homeland until she can come here LEGALLY.

    The fact the she has illegally entered twice shows that she knew the law, and the risks, but chose illegal action instead of entering via the legal process. Bad choice. There are two children, U.S. citizens by birth, much to their advantage. Many would argue that the entire notion of birthright citizenship to women here illegally needs to be ended, as they are often exploited as cruelly named "anchor babies."

    An American Dream Team would like to urge foreigners to respect our laws, enter legally, and they will be welcomed to live in, and eventually become citizens of, the greatest nation in history.

    Those who choose to break our laws make bad choices and there are consequences for bad, or illegal actions. Your suffering should be a lesson to others that legally entering the U.S. is worth the wait and work.