Obama overstates value of manufacturing

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 17, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Whenever Obama uses the word "investment", it's time to look at your checkbook.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 15, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Looks like you and I are in agreement MM on what is not sustainable.

    We just disagree that the Dems caused it all the overspending.

    Oh, and your "the government didnt build that" line? Yes the govt did build the roads, bridges and dams with collective funding for the greater good. (which is what you are actually referring to.)

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    @ Joe Blow. and Blue Devil. Ok, let me try again even though I know I am wasting my time. Let's say you work for the government for which you earn a salary and benefits and that you pay 25% back to the government in taxes. Who pays the other 75% of your salary and benefits? Other tax payers, the vast majority who must come from the private sector! Otherwise it is totally unsustainable. If the private sector is not doing well, who will pay for the government? That's why the government didn't build that, private sector businesses did! At least think about it, ok?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 15, 2013 6:26 a.m.

    @worf and Mountainman..... so who is to be "blamed" for 4 years of the equity markets doubling their value? This whole idea of shielding the past causes of current economic problems because it doesn't fit the narrative you all have made up gets a little old. Simple state facts about the state of the economy at the time Obama took over isn't blaming, it is just stating a fact. The collapse was many years in the making.

    It wasn't all Bush's fault, and much to his credit, he was mature enough to do the right thing to preserve the economy from total collapse despite the fact that he knew it would make many in his own party very upset.

    The problem is the government had been driving the economy like a reckless teen in their dads car. The crash was inevitable. But when the bill came to pay for the damage caused during the economic joy ride, all of a sudden fiscal conservatism becomes imperative.

    @say no - you comments are spot on. Manufacturing is also critical for our own national defense.

    @ChrisB - I have no idea how what you said relates at all.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 15, 2013 4:55 a.m.

    "@ JoeBlow So its STILL all GWB's fault? "

    Nice dodge. I didn't blame Bush for anything. I merely pointed out your hypocrisy.

    You cite deficit spending by Obama, as if he invented the practice.

    My common theme to you going forward will be to point out your inconsistent (read partisan) treatment of any and every issue.

    Please do not construe my posts as defending the dems (unless against outright lies). But to show you and the others that the GOP does exactly the same things that causes you outrage.

    And you will defend the GOP actions.

    Too funny

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 14, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    Things won't improve in four years, but gey worse.

    Will it still be GWB's fault?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    @ JoeBlow So its STILL all GWB's fault? When will Obama be accountable for his exploding debt contributions?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    "Try running your fiscal house the way he is trying to run our government"

    Again, a common theme.

    How about this. Try running your house the way Bush ran the government. Try keeping some of your spending "off the books"

    Again with your theme. Dems = fiscal irresponsible. GOP = good.

    Med Part d = largest entitlement program in 30 years. All unfunded.

    2 Wars while cutting taxes? Is that responsible?

    Both parties have spent us into oblivion. And you can only see half of it.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Part of our economic insolvency is due to the fact we buy our goods as imports, in particular oil and manufactured goods, to the point of a large trade deficit. We need to address both those items.

    Obama shuns the idea of us producing all our own energy, preferring to throw money at the solar energy racket, which, again, manufactures their goods in China.

    Manufacturing also needs to come back home. While those jobs may not be high paying, it is better to work and produce than to be a taker. Masses of idle people are a total drag and drain on the economy, and not everyone is suited to be an engineer. China is proof that manufacturing can lift a country since they have elevated their economy with manufacturing. We lifted our country by increasing our productivity through manufacturing a hundred years ago. Why do we shun it now?

    Productivity is always better than idleness.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 14, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    @ Joe Blow. I can not understand why you can't see through Obama's economic falsities. Try running your fiscal house the way he is trying to run our government. Go on wild spending sprees, max out your credit until your rating is downgraded, borrow money like there are no consequences and when you are arrested for grand larceny, tell the judge, "I don't have a spending problem, I only have a deficit problem". I will come and visit you in prison, I promise!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 14, 2013 4:34 a.m.

    Chris, you keep posting that as if Obama is the first President to make promises that dont come true (an possibly never had a chance of being true)

    Are you that partisan and naive that you do not see that it happens most of the time?

    Remember Americans were told that

    Iraq had WMD and that if we did not go to war, there would be a mushroom cloud?
    And that Iraqi oil would pay for the war?
    And that we would be welcomed as liberators?

    Yup, it happens all the time, and wasn't invented by Obama.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    @obsessed with BO

    I agree with your opinion.

    Thank you for taking the time to make your comment.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    In order to have a vibrant economy we need manufacturing. It is far more than just the assembly line. And it's good for ancillary businesses like raw materials and shipping.
    The so-called service economy has failed us. And without strong science and engineering graduates the knowledge workers will also dwindle in the United States.
    To be sure it is a changing world, but we must learn to manufacture consumer goods once again.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    Barack is not shown as a leader, but a campaigner. He campaigns against himself, and make it look as if someone else is at fault.

    The Republicans, Congress, George Bush, etc.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Congress spends the money not the President. The Congress spent money in 2009 and 2010 trying to stave off a potential depression caused by two unfunded wars, major tax cuts and the deregulation of the banking industry (remember all good republicans deregulation is good) of the banking industry which allowed for no oversight over home loans and other financial products. The next two years were spent with a republican house that sent budgets that were dead on arrival at the Senate, and the senate ignoring them.

    Speaker Boehner has far more control of the budget than the President does. Why don't the House republicans try something new. Propose a budget that has some chance of passing in the Senate, then walk over to the Senate Chambers and see if you can't sell it.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    Feb. 13, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    There is nothing wrong with working in a manufacturing job. How many millions of Americans are still un-employed And would rather have a job than be on the dole?

    We all can't make millions doing multi-level sales to each other.

    I loved the GOP response blaming the housing crash on the Dems. It was the loosening of credit worthiness requirements under the GOP and their chants of Less Government (regulation) ! Less Government (regulation) !! that led to so many financially unqualified people getting homes and then losing them to foreclosure.

    I felt like I was watching a SNL skit. All that was missing was Senator Rubio drawing horns and a pitchfork on BO. The GOP appears desperate that they had to trot out the anti-Mitt to court Latino voters. News Flash. Romney's Dad was born in Mexico !!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    4 years ago barack said

    "I will cut the deficit in half during my first term"

    It wasn't cut in half

    It wasn't cut by 25%

    It wasn't cut by 1%

    It increased

    Barack also said if allowed his


    of many spendathons of 787 billion that unemployment wouldnt reach 8%

    It reached 8%

    It reached 9%

    It reached 10%

    It reached 11%

    Several trillion dollars later, barack still couldnt do as he promised

    You will have to forgive me for using this guys actual history as indication of how the next 4 years will be.

    As opposed to his nonsense talk that 50% of the country buys into.

    I look at results.

    And barack,

    You failed.

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Manufacturing jobs don't provide very many transferable skill sets / knowledge bases, which is why people have a hard time finding a new job after working in manufacturing.