Timothy R. Clark: The key to education reform will be measurement

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  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    You are right, RedShirt. School children are being measured (tested) and the expense of being fed (educated). School boards have gone some overboard with the purchasing of computerized assessment tools, and the result is that students are spending so much school time taking tests that no longer bare any importance to them.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 15, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    To "2centsEM" and what happens to that child eventually if they don't learn. While you teach elementary school there are no significant consequences, but think of High School. If little Johnnie's parents take him on vacation a lot, and he misses out on school then what happens in High School?

    He will fail, and will either have to repeat a class or may not get a HS diploma. Think long range, and don't worry so much about immediate consequences. If the parents don't care about education eventually it will catch up and they will pay the price along with their kids.

  • 2centsEM Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    @EJM I agree with you. I teach in an elementary school and I have probably had 8 or 9 students miss a week at a time to go on a vacation. Disneyland must have had some great deals this year. So these students miss a lot of learning, but I as the teacher, am the one held accountable for their learning. I realize that family time is important but we have a fall break, Thanksgiving break, Christmas break, spring break, and summer break. Is that not enough for a family vacation? Not only are the student missing that learning, but the parents are communicating that education is really not that important. When this issue was addressed at a board meeting, we were just told to respect the wishes of the parents. Parents are not held accountable in any way to get their child to school. It's frustrating.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 14, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    How many standardized tests do the kids already have to take, and why can't those be used to measure the effectiveness of the teachers?

    Aren't kids already tested to death?

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    "In reality, we don’t know if a teacher is good unless we have an output measure of learning to confirm it."

    The output measure is not about a teacher but how involved parents are... especially in the lower grades. Teachers get bad raps when it's the parents that are at fault.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    Much of what a great education consist cannot be measured. STUFF NOT ON THE TEST: A student who reads The Scarlet Letter learns about the consequences of adultery. A student who cries at hearing Tchaikovsky for the first time. A student who marvels at the beauty of Euclidean geometry. A student who develops a new level of wisdom from seeing a Shakespeare play. Perhaps the most important things cannot be on the Test.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Unlike other systems of currency like the dollar, I'm not sure how the education currency will work. I can earn $10 doing just about anything and it turn spend it in a thousand different places.

    If I earn 10 units of the education currency, I may be limited on where I can spend it.

    Learning crucial knowledge in computer programming cannot be "spent" in a store needing chemical engineering.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    The key to education reform is showing up, whether it be online or classroom attendance. Our attendance rates in schools today are horrible for those students who are failing school. And, this process begins at an early age. If mom and/or dad don't insist upon attendance nothing good happens. If mom and dad enable bad attendance then that will show up in costs to society later on. Sad part? No politician wants to address that problem. That only makes for angry voters.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Feb. 13, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    I'm from the old school That has been demolished and a different one is in it's place. When manners and personal responsibility was the rule. The board of education was when you got Ed U Kate ed. Climate control was an open window or a steam radiator. 30 kids in a class was a small class. I never understood New Math. I think that no one has seeing what schools are now.