Let it sequester, that is the ONLY way we will ever see any meaningful cuts in a
bloated defense budget. Sequester will take it to 2005 levels, don't buy
into the be afraid. Let's end this endless war bring the troops home. Are
we really so afraid we need a defense budget larger then the next 25 countries
in the world 24 of whom are our allies.
notme,Nobody said don't cut entitlements, they need to be cut
too! Your argument should not be relevant to whether Hill is closed or not. We
can no longer afford military bases that either duplicate what other more
efficient bases do, or have a mission that is no longer vital. We heard all the
gloom and doom when Tooele was closed and Dugway was trimmed way back, and we
survived those. Cuts can't always be made to somebody else's stuff.
By the way the cuts to entitlements need to begin now. The majority
of current seniors can afford to pay a little more for their medicare. Means
tested should begin now for entitlements not sometime down the road.
Wow. Some of these comments are truly frightening. He was not just talking
about cuts to Hill Air Force base, he was talking about its closure. ITS
CLOSURE. Closures are done not by reason or logic, but by politics. Seeing as
how we are a useless state to democrats, we are not in a good position. It was,
in fact, to be closed in 1995, but with some political wrangling by Jim Hansen,
it was saved at the last minute. Do you have any idea what its
closure would do to our state? You would not be so giddy about all the cuts
coming from the military once your taxes go through the roof or something you do
love is cut to pay for its loss- the state's largest employer. Are we saying no military cuts? Of course not. But why only military? Why
are entitlements not touched? There are going to be ugly
consequences to the direction we are going. Take from the rich and the job
creators, support more and more people without giving them any reason to work,
make unsustainable promises, undermine the military and slowly disarm the
people. These will only make our problems worse.
"*'Obama calls for tightening the belts, except his own vacations'
- By Hippo Krit - DSNews - 02/30/11
Let the cuts begin! Debt is destroying our country. Nothing get's done
because both political parties pander to its constituents who are only concerned
about what's in it for them. I work at Hill and I'm tired of the
'benchwarmers' complaining about the possibility of a cut in pay or
the loss of their position. When you work hard and are competent, you can
always find a job. Maybe it's time for some civil servants to get off the
bench and develop a work ethic.
The defense budget more than doubled in the last 12 years. That means that it
can be cut by 50% without fear of closing Hill AFB. What should be cut are
projects the military has said they don't need nor want yet Congress keeps
pushing.Once defense is cut 50% back to what it was in 2000, we can
look at cutting social entitlements which have only grown 25% since 2000.
Cut Cut Cut spending.Just not where I live, or things that will
affect my constituents.Mr. Chaffetz is just like every other
Every part of the Federal budget should be cut, including military. The trouble
with Decmocrats is they won't allow so called "entitlement"
programs to be cut. We all as Americans will have to take a bite out of this
bitter apple because we all as Americans have in effect caused it by electing
the people we have to run the government. And we continue to elect them.
It's Our fault. P.S. Thank God for the 22nd Amendment.
@ worf 9:21 a.m. Feb. 9, 2013"What a shame, that we've
become so dependent on a federal government, and what it does."What about those psychologically soft individuals who rely on non-secular
institutions to be the center of their universe?
Hmm, I thought Republicans believed gov't spending didn't create jobs
and that they were serious about deficit reduction.
As one of close to 800,000 DOD civilians who faces the very real likelihood of
furloughs and a 20% paycut for the rest of the fiscal year if the sequestration
goes forward (and heaven only knows what's in store for next year), Mr.
Chaffetz's comments strike me as NIMBY-ism of the worst sort. You put us
in this position, sir. Either do your job to get us out of it, or quit whining
about the impact it will have on your district.
Well, according to Republican mantra, government spending does not create jobs
or stimulate the economy, so it should be no loss if the base were shut down.
Wasn't that the reason most of Utah voted for Hatch? He was the only who
could save Hill Air Force? Why are you angry with Chaffetz? He didn't
campaign on this it was Hatch that would save the day. By the way the only
reason all my neighbors voted for Hatch is because Romney needed him. Which I
found to be a very dumb argument as if any other Republican would do nothing to
help Romney. Can't believe we are stuck with Hatch who created the mess we
what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you are going talk
about deep cuts in government spending, get ready for deep cuts in government
@My2CentsThe "UN Army" is the US army. We are by far the biggest
contributor of troops and $$$. If the "UN Army" was attacking us we
wouldn't need to leave the Mexican border open. The troops would already be
in our country.
I like to read My2Cents comments.Her comments prove to me that the
DN truly welcomes thoughtful comments.Of all those DN readers who
take time to comment, My2 Cents comments always encourage a civil dialogue.
Sequester is a great way to approach it all because everyone's special
interests get cut fairly evenly. Step back after it and look at individual
things. Politicians love federally funded things because defending those in
their own districts buys them votes - doesn't matter if it's defense,
research or welfare - those just define their electorate.
If Mr Chaffetz were truly concerned about getting the debt under control and
stopping ALL wasteful spending, he would be leading the charge to reduce the
size of Hill Air Force Base. He would also be pushing for the consolidate
military training facilities so that we don't have government waste by
duplication of services that Mr. Chaffetz so often criticizes. The training
range does not require a large base in Utah to continue its operation.
To IJ 8:43 a.m. Feb. 9, 2013Furry -So just what is the
"truth."-------------Take a look at what
"My2Cents" posted in the referenced post. It's the opposite of
what s/he said.
I lived in a city in California that lost two Air Force bases and an Army
Reserve installation. If you close Hill AFB, it will destroy the northern part
of Utah economically. Before you agree to close it, you better do your
research. My city when from a great place to live to one of the most dangerous
cities in america. And they are losing their NBA team!
Sacrifice?What a shame, that we've become so dependent on a
federal government, and what it does.This was never the original
Balance the Budget, close HAFB. That is my tea party rant of the day.
A lot of R's are for government spending and cutbacks until it comes to
their stuff. Still, I think it is essential to have a strong
defense. If Hill and other military installations in Utah are crucial to this
end, then by all means let's keep things. If not, then Utah must sacrifice
just like the R's in this state seem to want everyone else to sacrifice.
Isn't honesty supposed to be a "conservative" value?Why, then, is it so obvious that some of our supposedly conservative posters
here had mommies who never taught them that fibbing isn't nice?Or has any sense of honesty and fair play they may have had at one time been
drowned out by too much hate radio?
Furry -So just what is the "truth."
To My2Cents 3:17 a.m. Feb. 9, 2013I read your diatribe and found
nothing true in any of what you said. It makes you sound like you only listen
to hate radio, and don't research across the political spectrum to find the
real truth (the truth sure wasn't present in the things you said). Sad.
No body gets it yet. The president is the least qualified to write or implement
any budget so why is the House and Senate "letting" him do it? Most critical move to get our nations debt and budget under control is kick
Obama out of the House and Senate. Its not his authority to negotiate or make
demands for his spendthrift opulent lifestyle. If we want to bash the
congressmen, lets bash them for being spineless compromising and without
convictions of this country soverignty.The president is out to crush
america and its culture by any means, and that includes get rid of our military,
our civil laws and rights, and the Constitution. Obama is out to put his
mercenaries, attack drones, and senators in power against all Constitution laws
making this illegal. Obama is about removing obstacles of armed civilians, civil
law and order, civilian military that are obstacle to a dictator, it has nothing
to do with budget cuts or reducing spending.Obama plans to use the
UN military with a joint treaty with Obama to divide a separated nations.
That's why Obama is keeping our border with Mexico unprotected, a path for
Crazy!Some would blame Chaffetz for a pay raise, but not Obama for
the hundreds of millions spent on vacations.It would be better for
people working at Hill AFB, and paying taxes,--rather then staying home
collecting food stamps.At least Barry can take credit for doubling
the value of gold.
So the tactic is -- make noises now so if anything does happen, he will be a
position to either claim he told us so, or pretend to the be savior.Yeah, but . . . .This is one of the loudest voices against
government spending.This is also one of the loudest voices for
government spending -- at least as far as his home territory is concerned.So which is he? A careful spender? A profligate spender?Or
just one more sneaky politician?
Got a great idea then Jason! How about you do your job and NOT let the sequester
go through because of partisan mindlessness. Now THERE's an idea.
This isn't an R vs D thing, but....When the State reliably only
elects one party, neither has an interest in trying to win votes.If
you want to spare HAFB, vote for both parties.
*'Chaffetz blasts federal pay raises, except his own' - By Becky Bruce
- DSNews - 11/10/10'Each member of the House and Senate earned
$174,000 this year. (sic)When asked whether $174,000 is too much, Chaffetz
pointed instead to the overall congressional budget and said it needs to be
revamped. "It doesn't mean that everybody's going to
get an individual pay cut," Chaffetz said."Way to
'rally' against big government spending there.
SALT LAKE CITY — Rep. Jason Chaffetz told Utah lawmakers Friday he
doesn’t know how the state and its largest employer, Hill Air Force Base,
will fare as Congress struggles to get the nation’s spending under
control. - Article *'Republicans BAIL on budget talks, blame
Democrats' - By David Espo - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/23/11 Especially since the threat was created...by Chaffetzs' own party.