Taysom should make a great QB. He is smart and accurate when passing. His escape
dimension is incredible. Under Anae BYU will return to its passing roots. Taysom
will be like Steve Young, good with his feet and his arm.It is an
absolute shame that back up QB's languish on the bench. Every other
position have more opportunities to play and develop. Many of BYU's backup
QB's could have played in the NFL if only they had the experience in
college.James Lark could have been an NFL QB given the chance under
a coach like Anae.Jake Heap would probably have stayed at BYU if Anae had
Those taking pot shots at Taysom Hill are way off base. The super athletic QB
with a strong arm IS the modern quarterback. Look at the guys who are turning
heads in college and carrying it into the NFL--Cam Newton, RGIII, Kapernick,
Johnny Manziel (not pro yet)--just to name a few. Though not as refined, Taysom
Hill is of the same mold as these guys. And no, he is NOT just a bigger and
faster Riley Nelson. This guy has far more skills. If we can get a coach who
will work on Taysom's throwing mechanics, he will be very, very good.I am very excited about the prospect of Taysom as the starting QB for
BYU. He typifies the present and future of college and professional football.
All of the above mentioned beat teams with their legs and their arms. I expect
to see the same from Hill.
Wow Chris B. What a cheap shot right off the bat.
Re: Naval VetOf course you would reference the site that makes your
team looks as best as possible. But, to each his own.
Cougar Claws:I was -- as always -- referring to Rivals ranking. And
in that regard, my posted rankings were accurate. Wynn was #22, and Hill was
#30. Just saying.
Re: Naval VetActually Jordan Wynn was 34th so . . . just saying.On another interesting note, though, Cody Vaz of Oregon St. was 33rd in
that class and Joe Southwick of Boise State was 32nd. Kind of interesting.
Yes stars matter. They are just nowhere near an exact science. Where BYU is
different than other schools who sign less noticeable players is that BYU does
there homework on guys that love the program, are likely to play hard, stay
clean with the honor code, and are noteworthy citizens.
Y's little brother:"Taysom Hill signed with
Stanford...Travis Wilson wasn't even considered by Stanford."...and Taysom hill wasn't even considered by UCLA or Washington, whereas
Wilson was. Bottom line, Wilson was the higher rated QB between the two. You
lost the argument. That must be why you're now trying to change the
argument into a Hill-Wynn one. What does Hill-Wynn have anything to do with
Wilson?And FWIW, Hill was the #30 Pro-style QB of the 2009 class.
Wynn was ranked #22. There's really not a whole lot of separation between
the 2. Perhaps Stanford preferred the 210-lbs QB to the 150-lbs one.
Chris B is the funniest commenter for Deseret News sports articles I've
ever read. He obviously sits around all day watching and waiting for a new
article about BYU, so he can be the first to list his ignorant and uninformed
comment. Never fails. Since the U football program is no longer very interesting
to watch, this has become his main pastime. What a shame. What a waste!
Naval VetHow could the Cardinal overlook such a prized recruit as
Travis Wilson, even if they were already stocked at QB? Must not have had what
it takes between the ears to cut it at Stanford.Bottom line, no
matter how you slice it:Taysom Hill signed with Stanford.Travis Wilson wasn't even considered by Stanford.It's
interesting that Jordan Wynn was ranked higher than Joe Southwick or Taysom Hill
in 2009, yet the Cardinal recruited Hill (from Idaho) rather than Wynn
(Oceanside) or Southwick (Danville - right in Stanford's backyard).
Southwick as you know played at Boise State.Kinda makes you wonder
why Stanford went after Taysom instead of those other "higher" rated
QB's, doesn't it?
Rockwell:"Why would Stanford waste a scholarship on a 3-star QB
from Idaho if they already had a deep bench stockpiled with 4-star QB
recruits?"Because Hill signed in 2009. That class had only 2
QBs: 4-star Josh Nunes, and Hill. In 2010, Stanford signed 4-star
Brett Nottingham, and 3-star recruits Dallas Lloyd and Darren Daniel (both of
whom were ranked higher at their position than Hill was back in '09). In 2011, Stanford signed 2 more 3-star QBs in Kevin Hogan (also higher
ranked than Hill) and Evan Crower.In 2012, already deep at the QB
position, Stanford signed none. They already had 4-star Andrew Luck under
center, with 4-stars like Nunes and Nottingham backing him up. There appeared
to be very little chance for the four 3-star QBs backing THEM up. That's
not spin. Stanford simply wasn't looking for a QB back in 2012 when Wilson
was being recruited. The "spin" was that Stanford went all the way to
Idaho to grab Hill with Wilson playing right down I-5 South, as some sort of
validation that Hill > Wilson. Fail!LOL at YOU!
"motorbikeCottonwood Heights, UTWill this turn into
Riley Nelson part 2?In all actuality I see Anae going a different
direction altogether with his starting QB. Guessing he'll take a better
passing QB versus the run first style of Taysom Hill. We'll see though,
perhaps not."Who do they have on the roster who is better? I
don't think Mangum returns from a mission until next year and furthermore,
even if he has Hill has game experience.
I'm excited about Hill as a QB. As far as Hill vs. Wilson though, I think
as far as pure arm strength Hill and Wilson are very similar. At least up until
this point in time Hill appears to be a better athlete. He appears to be
stronger and faster, even though Wilson is taller.One of the things
I'm most excited about with Taysom Hill is his upside between the ears. He
had a scholarship offer to Stanford. Stanford doesn't offer scholarships to
idiots. It's been a long time since we've had a really SMART QB. I
think John Beck (besides the two games we had from James Lark) may have been the
last level-headed guy BYU has had under center, and I get that same vibe from
Taysom Hill. I'm excited to see how he develops.
The injury to Hill is adversity big time. Hill looks to be a mature kid and I
think BYU is optimistic in his recovery and future.
re: "There's a reason Stanford went all the way to Idaho to recruit
Hill,..."Naval Vet said: "reason was because
Stanford had already stockpiled a deep bench of 4-star QB recruits..."LOL at your delusional spin. Why would Stanford waste a
scholarship on a 3-star QB from Idaho if they already had a deep bench
stockpiled with 4-star QB recruits?
Two of the dumbest plays ever made at BYU were OC's not calling taking a
knee at critical times. The first when Robert Anae chose to run it out against
UCLA deep inside thier own 5 yd line with only 7 seconds left in the first half
and already leading by 10 points. That play nearly cost BYU the game when it
was fumbled and recovered by UCLA for a touchdown. The game came down to a
final fieldgoal try for the win by UCLA that BYU was lucky enough to block.
Ironically Doman didn't learn anything from that ill fated play and chose
to try and run up the score and loses his best quarterback to a serious season
ending injury. Now for 2013 we are stuck with Bronco rehiring Anae back. All I
can say is that he better have picked up a lot of new material for offensive
plays under Stoops and Rodriguez while at Arizona...otherwise his limited and
highly predictable play calling will again be easily picked apart.
bacWACn:"There's a reason Stanford went all the way to
Idaho to recruit Hill, while completely ignoring instate Travis Wilson, playing
just down the I-5."Yes, but that reason was because Stanford had
already stockpiled a deep bench of 4-star QB recruits...which would most likely
be the reason why Hill chose not to return to Stanford. If you want to make a
case that Hill was a better recruit than Wilson, let's see your
justification. Frantic emotion doesn't count. You need evidence. Such as
when Hill was recruited out of high school, Rivals rated him as the #30
Pro-style QB. Conversely, when Wilson was being recruited out of high school,
Rivals rated him the #11 Pro-style QB. Edge Wilson.
Backpac,Keep in mind I'm not saying Wilson is a Heisman
candidate, like we were old Jake Heaps would be. What I'm saying is that
it's NOT obvious Hill is a better QB. In the Boise State game Hill
demonstrated how far he still has to go when the majority of his passes landed
in the turf 2 feet in front of his WR. But opinion are subjective, right?So lets look at QB ratings. Hill's was 122.4, Wilson's 122.2.
You're right, it obvious that Hill is so much better.
U 90Having seen both Wilson and Hill play, it's obvious, Hill
is the better QB, it's not even close. There's a reason
Stanford went all the way to Idaho to recruit Hill, while completely ignoring
instate Travis Wilson, playing just down the I-5. Don't bother even trying
to argue that Stanford doesn't recruit Southern California. The Cardinal
signed two 4-star recruits from San Diego in the same 2009 recruiting class as
CougFanTx, Utah plays Oregon the same week BYU plays Idaho State. What's
your point?Riddles, next fall on a Friday night drive your Benz
from Oly Cove to Eastern Idaho and watch the Highland High school football team
beat up on Idaho Falls HS. Then on the following Friday drive your BMW to
Orange County and watch San Clemente play Mission Viejo and ask yourself if the
talent level in Idaho and California are comparable. Your post is nice, but you
can't compare apples to oranges.
Naval VetTalk about frantic and emotional!You obviously
don't understand that there's absolutely no correlation between length
of pass completion and passing accuracy. A 50-yard pass completion could simply
be heaving a pass down field with enough air under it to allow the receiver time
to run under it or it could be a 5-yard dump off catch and run, whereas a
20-yard pass completion could a bullet to the sidelines that arrives just as the
receiver turns to look for it.Hill played half the game against #18
Boise State, accounting for BYU only TD against the Broncos, and started against
Hawaii and #16 Utah State.Wilson only started against one Top 25
team, #20 Oregon State, and three of his other 6 starts came against
California(3-9), Washington State(3-9), and Colorado(1-11). Wilson's
pretend "big boy" schedule included three patsies.Hill's real big boy schedule included one patsy and two Top 25 teams, as
many Top 25 teams in three games, as Utah played during the entire season.
I love how Domans name is mentioned.
You are not the real Ernest T. Bass.I hope they don't take away
his opportunity...Nothing is solid at BYU anymore. Not winning, not coaches,
not expectations of the fans.
I don't think it should be assumed that Hill will be the starting QB or
even presumed favorite going into spring ball. Hill was fun to watch running
the ball, but his throwing accuracy and decision making weren't all that
impressive in the Boise State and Utah State games. Plus, Anae will definitely
try to establish his own offense and whoever can complete the most short passes
and make good decisions under pressure will win the job. Maybe that'll be
Hill, maybe someone else.Munns, Ammon, Green....hmmmm. OK, Hill will
win the starting job.
Riddles in the Dark:"Hill has a much better arm than Travis
Wilson....He shows good touch on the deep ball and is accurate underneath, but
his accuracy breaks down on the intermediate passes."Hill
started in 2 games in 2012. He averaging 173.5 ypg passing, a completed 63.2%
of his passes, and finished his season with a 122.4 QB rating. By way of
comparison, Wilson started in 7 games, averaging averaged 173.3 ypg passing,
completing 61.9% of his passes, and finished his season with a 122.2 QB
rating.Sooo...MUCH better?I'd also like to point
out that Hill's longest completions of his short season were only 28, 24,
21, and 18 (twice) yds. Wilson's deep completions were 42, 41, 37, 35, 24,
20, and 18. Ergo, if there's something wrong with Wilson's accuracy,
you'd have to admit Hill's really can't be really that impressive
either.The numbers tell a different story than the frantic and
emotional one you authored. The only big differences between these 2 QBs is
Wilson has more starts (experience) under his belt, and played a "big
Two For Flinching"Utah is playing zero WAC schools in
2014."You need to talk to your girl friend christy. She's
apparently operating under the delusion that the WAC still plays football. One
of you is obviously mistaken.btw, since BYU's schedule for 2014
isn't close to complete, it's silly to be comparing schedules that far
ahead. But don't kid yourself, the Utes line up against mid-major Colorado
U grad pumping Lenny's gasWhat does "just like Wynn and
Hays should have never happened at the U" mean?The Utes should
never have had to rely on an injury-prone starting QB coming off shoulder
surgery because Whitless had left the Utah QB cupboard so bare that Utah's
only half decent backup was a D-II transfer who was only available because his
school had dropped football.Your hyperbole notwithstanding, Anae and
Mendenhall have been FAR MORE SUCCESSFUL as a team than Johnson and
Whittingham's dismal 5-7 record.
@ Y's little brotherBro that was low. Funny, but low.
Hill's injury came on the bonehead play call of the century. Still, next
time, I'll bet Hill will also be experienced enough to audible out of that
dumb call. And if Tujague can create a D1 offensive line out of the guys he has
this year, BYU could be a very, very good team--they better be or they will lose
more than they win this year. But this is the kind of schedule that will allow
BYU to make a case for a BCS bowl if they can defeat the teams on their
ImaCaManComparing Hill to Kapernick would only be "funny" to
a jealous Utah fan. With better protection from a vastly improved offensive
line, Hill could have an outstanding career at BYU. From what I've heard,
the injury shouldn't affect Taysom's running ability at all. He's
much better runner AND passer than Travis Wilson.
@ CougFaninTXUtah is playing zero WAC schools in 2014. Fresno is a
MWC school. However if that's the road you want to go down: In 2014 BYU
plays Houston, Nevada, Middle Tennessee St. (on the road), Southern Miss, and
UNLV. I can guarantee you that Utah won't be lining up against mid-majors
during those weeks. Especially the last three, which are scheduled for
@Riddles in the DarkHill's numbers from high school do not
compare favorably to the numbers of his predecessor Riley Nelson. Nelson
completed a higher percentage of passes, for more yards, and more than double
the number of TDs. Nelson had a similar yards per carry average and made it into
the endzone 5 more times than Taysom. Your high school numbers mean nothing for
your collegiate success if you don't have the right coaches, the right
frame, or a big (enough) arm.Having Anae should help, but you may
recall that the run game was as unproductive as it was predictable. Were it not
for the special talent that was Harvey Unga, the offense would have been
pass-only instead of pass-first. Anae's offense is not going to call for a
lot of QB draw or option run (thank goodness), but Hill has (or had, depending
on his recovery) the jets if the opportunity arises. I hope the coaches leave it
wide open for their players to prove they deserve it and let the best man win.
Seems like a nice kid and sure wish him the best with his recovery. However,
from seeing him play he's another all run- no throw QB; and now
there's a question about the running part. Comparing him to Kapernick is
too funny to address.
Hill's style reminds me of Colin Kaepernick. Sure he's got a long way
to go to reach Colin's level, but he has the arm and legs to be a real dual
threat QB. To compare him to Nelson is ignorant. They are completely different
QBs.chris b - At least BYU can win the WAC championship, unlike U
who couldn't beat a WAC team. U may also want to look at the 2014 schedule
where U play more WAC teams than BYU. Good luck against Fresno State. BYU will
be playing Texas that weekend.
@ Chris BGlad to see you following your obsession with BYU and
posting first again. Glad to also see that your comments about playing in the
Rose Bowl reflect the reality that Utah isn't the team you mentioned. At
least maybe you've finally realized that U don't belong in the elite
of the PAC 12 but are just fodder to fight with CU and WSU for the bottom
slot.On the brighter things: I see this QB as being a great
improvement and a sure-fire recipie for playing in a bowl game next fall.
(Along with USU there will again be two teams representing our pretty, great
@Whatsnu"His injury should never have happened." Just
stating the obvious, everyone watching was probably yelling at their TV,
"NO."You said; "True, just like Wynn and Hays should
have never happened at the U" What in the world does that mean?So, Whatsnu? obvious nothing at the Y. Coach Anae new? No, he's an old
coach, I remember when the Cougar Nation wanted his head on a plater. Bronco
new? No, still doing Lavelle impersonations, he's actually our best
player. BYU beating the U new? No same old story. Cant wait for September.Correction; Whatsnu? yes there is going to be something new, a T-shirt
slogan, cant wait for the unveiling.
Dude is a stud. Let's put him in a situation to succeed.
I like how he drops back to pass then runs for 4 yards.
Good luck with the recovery and best wishes for a successful career.
Mount Olympus"Once again Bronco takes 0 responsibility. Why is everyone blaming Doman?"More negative spin from the
kids on the hill. If you'd paid any attention to the articles published
right after the game, you'd know that Bronco took full responsibility for
Taysom's injury, even though it was Doman who was responsible for the mixed
signals that led to Hill running a dive play instead the victory formation.
Worst Coaching decision in BYU History ? And it Cost the Offensive
coordinator his Job !
Y grad wannabe U grad pumping gas"His injury should never have
happened."True, just like Wynn and Hays should have never
happened at the U, but that's all water under the bridge now. Moving
forward, the only thing that matters is getting back to basics and
re-establishing the BYU offense that has been so dominant in years past.
Once again Bronco takes 0 responsibility. Why is everyone blaming
Doman?Yes, Doman deserves some of the blame. Bronco also
I understand if Doman were to hand the ball off to the running back or something
to kill time, but given the amount of time on the clock, anything other than a
knee is risking potential injury. What I don't understand is why of all
things they decided to run a draw. Hill is supposed to be the QB of the future
so why give the D a chance to lay a clean hard hit on him? Hopefully this injury
doesn't come back to haunt the Cougs.
Travis Wilson, for comparison, passed for 2,289 yards and 24 touchdowns and
rushed for 467 yards and nine TDs his senior year. Travis has a terrific frame
and he gets rid of the ball quickly, but his sidearm delivery negates some of
his size advantage. He is a good athlete who put up decent rushing numbers at
the high school level, but isn't much of a running threat on the college
level. He shows good touch on the deep ball and is accurate underneath, but his
accuracy breaks down on the intermediate passes.
"Hill was injured on a questionable play call near the end of BYU's
game against Utah State." Ryan, please stop reminding us! We've tried
to forget about the call! :o) Looking forward to a healthy Taysom starting Fall
practice as the #1. Can't wait to see what Anae can do with Taysom and the
motorbikeYou may see some option plays with Taysom Hill, but unlike
Riley Nelson, Taysom can also throw with accuracy. Hill has a much better arm
than Travis Wilson.Taysom was named 5A All-Idaho Player of the Year
as a senior after quarterbacking Highland to its first state title since
2002...completed 166-of-258 passes (64.3 percent) and threw for 2,269 yards and
18 touchdowns as a senior...also rushed for 1,491 yards and 24 TDs, averaging
10.2 yards per carry and 124.3 rushing yards per game...holds school
single-season and career records for total offense...led Highland to the Idaho
State 5A championship as a senior...Idaho's Gatorade High School Player of
the Year as a senior.
AS a BYU fan I am really excited to see Taysom next year. I am excited about
the quarterbacks in the pipeline with Tanner Mangum and Ammon Olsen. I think
the future looks bright.
Taysom is simply thrilled that he's playing for Quarterback U rather than
that wannabe big boy program on the hill whose only dream is to have enough dip
to go with their couch potato chips while they're watching their big
brother play in another bowl.Poinsettia Bowl Winner > Couch
Potato Chip Bowl Loser
His injury should never have happened.
I supported coach Doman until that play. That was the single worst decision I
ever saw at coach make. I certainly am glad Hill will be able to continue his
career at BYU and that the injury is not as bad as initially diagnosed.
Will this turn into Riley Nelson part 2?In all actuality I see Anae
going a different direction altogether with his starting QB. Guessing he'll
take a better passing QB versus the run first style of Taysom Hill. We'll
see though, perhaps not.
I wonder if he sees is former Stanford teammates winning rose bowls, enjoying
unbelievable success, all while getting a top notch eductation, and regrets that
mission-impacted decision to switch?Nah, dreaming of a WAC
championship on a 7-6 byu team is probably his dream.