Bill to create commission to study intergenerational poverty advances to Senate

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 6, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    To "gudnuf4guvwrk" wanting to better yourself and actually working to better yourself is the difference.

    Read "How is poverty transmitted intergenerationally and what might be
    done to stop it in its tracks?" at Chronic Poverty. They describe how in the countries that suffer from intergenerational poverty the people do not work or instill in their kids the desire to do what it takes to leave the system. However, they do highlight a group in Peru that through work and effort have been able to improve their situation and the education of their kids.

    Most everybody has the ability to "fish for themselves", the problem is that many want to fish but don't want to do the work involved to fish.

  • gudnuf4guvwrk Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    It seemsTheMentality here is that people in intergenerational poverty are just lazy and being encouraged to be lazier by a system that gives them handouts. No social program is freely given. Every one of them requires seeking work or proving inability to work. I can tell you from 15 years experience and looking at the data that they all want to better themselves. There are many factors that prohibit them from pulling themselves out of the crab bucket. I have seen the programs work. Sure there is the occasional (insignificant) abuser of the system. These people are regularly caught and made to pay funds back. By and large, those who have the capacity, use the programs as a stepping stone to self sufficiency and the rest are those in our communities who literally do not have the capability to fish for themselves. I believe a society is truly measured by how we view and treat these people. these are the intergenerationally homeless and the mentally ill and even those who have contributed to their own problems by drug or alcohol addiction. These are literally the least among us and you want to make it harder for them? I'm disappointed.

  • perhaps Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    So, if this bill passes, half the Governor's cabinet will get together a couple times each year and talk about why children from poor families do not instantly become rich the day they turn 18?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    Just copy the PA that found that a single mother living on welfare has to earn $69,000 to equal what she gets on welfare.

    The commission is not needed, just common sense.

    If you want to stop intergenerational poverty, make them uncomfortable in their poverty.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    I think the legislature needs to go home before they spend any more money on wasteful studies. Welfare assistance should be available only after extended families have exhausted all their resources to help each other out in an emergency. When government gets involved, the solution is always to spend more money to solve the problem. All that does is to create more assistance.

  • joy Logan, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    So where are the funds coming from to pay for this Commission? If a study already has been done why do
    we need another Commission? I believe education will reduce those numbers drastically. Not only education about the
    ABC's but educating our youth who need to understand more about values, about self esteem and how they present themselves to an employer. I'd rather we put more money into Boys and Girls clubs and the like so there are some good
    examples around our children then put more money into another study. At the end of the day the Commission says
    "Yep we have a problem Scotty". Who thinks of these things?

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    There is no need for a study here. We already know that intergenerational poverty is caused by government welfare programs that pass out money and benefits, with no work expected in return. This can have no outcome but intergenerational poverty. Each generation becomes dependant on entitlement programs for survival, and comes to believe that this is a normal state of existence. To eliminate this problem, we must follow the guiding principle that a man must work for his bread and if he will not work, he will not eat.

  • Ett Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    We need a bill for this? Really? Instead of wasting time and tax money to study this, our legislature would be better served to heed the words of Benjamin Franklin. He lived in a time when poverty was horrific compared to today. Mr. Franklin had it right when he said, “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
    When it comes to welfare, W.I.C. and Medicaid, society has gone out of its way to take away any stigma in receiving it. The result is generations of people who have no motivation or desire to support themselves. Yet, we have laws against keeping and feeding wild animals because they will become dependent on us. Apparently, making people dependent on handouts is okay.