Suspended from school: Road to nowhere

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 5, 2013 10:31 p.m.

    Liberals make a discrimination case out of so many things.

    Suspended bad behavior students can now sue over discrimination.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 5, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    Let's organize students by:

    * age
    * gender
    * race
    * orientation
    * test scores-grades

    Place this on a spread sheet, and make sure the suspension rates are equally re-distributed. Create a graph and hand them out for public viewing.

    This is part of America's transformation.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    For black boys growing up with no father figure, key lessons on self-control are often absent," Campbell said. "To then hold the rest of the class hostage, and to say it's the school's fault, it's blaming the messenger."

    This isn't just "black boys" it's all boys. Ok, the rates might be higher some, but teenagers without a father figure have, for decades, been shown to exhibit bad behavior. In the scientific community, it's been likened to what happens to elephants when there is no dominant herd bull around anymore. When the young bulls enter "must" (kind of like puberty) they get very aggressive toward the females, younger or sickly bulls, and have even attacked rhinos and killed them. They have no dominant bull to keep their behavior in check. Boys need a father in the home. Just one more reason gay marriage with surrogate children involved is such a bad idea. Two moms, don't equal one dad. Two dads might be worse, the evidence isn't in yet, and may never be because the numbers are too low to support any real data.

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    The article states:
    To avoid suspensions except in extreme circumstances, the following ordered strategies are recommended:
    •Phone call to parents and/or a parent conference--All schools do this before suspending a student--most many times.
    •After school or lunch detention--Now you are punishing the teachers/administrators/advisors who will be "assigned" these duties. Of course, in Utah they just will pay you more to do it (lol).
    •Co-curricular activity suspension (sports or clubs)--Already done in most schools by way of a "code of conduct" for those in activities.
    • Restitution (financial or social, such as a written apology)--No legal way to enforce restitution on fee-waiver students.
    •Community service around the school--many schools have tried this but parents have been fierce in opposition--"My kid is not the janitor."
    •School-based or home-school contingency contract--Most schools already do it. Kids end up suspended after not following it.
    •Saturday school--Same problem as after school detention. Do we make teachers do it for free (punish them) or do we pony up the money?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    There are alternatives available. Let's not deprive our good students from being able to learn because a few possibly incorrigible jerks are left in the classroom when they should be somewhere else.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 10:37 a.m.


    'When schools get in the way of real learning' - by Jay Evensen - 02/01/13

    Deseret news.

    So, on the one hand, schools are 'bad' and don't 'really' educate our children.

    On the other hand, when we suspend our children from school, they learn nothing and get no education.

    Choose one, but don't argue both...

    at the same time.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    @ Carolyn: Your concerns and the response to them are addressed in the article. No one is asking the schools to parent the students - just do all they can to educate the students.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    I have s standard of lining. There are things that is expected. things that I'll tolerate, and there's the stuff that is intolerable.

  • Carolyn Sharette Sandy, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    This article reveals much ignorance and the root of our challenges in our schools - that schools are asked to be social services agencies and parent children. This ill-conceived idea results in all the issues the article purports to address.

    Schools need to be institutions focused on their mission of academic achievement and character development for every child they are serving. When students cannot meet the minimum behavior requirements to remain in the setting, they must be served with consequences that they can learn from. All schools I know of use a system of progressive consequences before suspension, unless it is a school drug/safety issue. I know of NO schools that indiscriminately suspend students - teachers WANT students in class as long as they can be there without ruining the experience for everyone else.

    If we don't suspend students, neither they, nor their parents cannot learn the boundaries of acceptable behavior. This is not serving them and dooms our system to failure.

    It is NOT the school's responsibility to go beyond daily behavior training into rehabilitation.