Climate change brings new urgency in Utah

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  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    Feb. 4, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Anyone who tries to ascribe any particular weather event, or a dry or wet season, to global warming, is going far beyond what the scientific evidence justifies stating, and is acting just as unscientifically as an Intelligent Design person.

    The earth is warmer than it was a century ago, and increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is responsible for a portion of that warming. That's as far as the genuine "consensus" goes. The hysteria about droughts, fires, storms, etc., is nothing resembling a scientific consensus.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    Hard to understand why Martian polar caps are melting too. Must be sun activity. I am all for alternatives, but it will take time. In the meantime we need to go to Natural gas power plants.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Feb. 1, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure the animals will adapt, and if they don't they'll die off just as species have been doing for many many years during periods of REAL climate change. The ones I'm concerned about are the humans because their reasoning capabilities seem to be shrinking much faster than the bird's habitat.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    The simple fact is that the earth's climate has always changed in unpredictable cycles since the beginning of time. Back in the early 1600's, there was a number of decades when temperatures were well above normal (more-so than now) and caused environmental changes. Obviously,this was centuries before the combustion engine was invented. The climate eventually cycled back to what we like to call normal (as it always does)... all without man's interference.
    It's only recently that man has had the audacity and arrogance to think of himself as powerful enough to effect mother nature to a substantial degree, all under the pseudo use of the term science. There are constantly theories of science that prove to be false. In time, this man-caused global warming theory will too... no matter how thoroughly convinced some people currently are to the contrary. Much can be learned with time, patience and observation. Much frustration can be avoided by not jumping to conclusions too prematurely.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    The National Wildlife Federation has become the worst organization for anything truly scientific or even remotely reliable. I can say this as a former member. The current natural disasters that the identify and claim are coming from global warming are really the result of poor land management by agencies that are being pushed to the radical left of environmentalism. If you want fewer forest fires or beetle infestations, then cull your trees with managed logging. If you want fewer range fires, then manage for cheat grass and graze it in the spring. If you want more marsh land then mitigate for the efficiency of sprinkler irrigation. If people were really concerned about emissions causing climate change, the first thing that should be done is managing to prevent these fires that are dumping huge amounts of atmospheric pollutants into the the sky in very short time frames. This society has to use some real knowledge and quit managing by emotion.

  • Perfice South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Hey Tolstoy:

    " Whether climate change is natural or man-made is the current debate - the fact that it is happening is not the debate."

    The only debate is here in the peanut gallery, among the prideful. There is no longer a debate in the halls of science of every major university in the first world, including BYU, UofU and Utah State. This denial of the facts is just lazy partisanship. If the RNC and the league of false radio talk show prophets conceded to the scientific method and changed their views there would be an avalanche of mind changers, even in Utah.

  • srw Riverton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    "Get a bucket, and put a block of ice in it. Fill the bucket with water to the rim. Because ice is in an expanded state, the water level will go down as it melts.

    "If icebergs melt, the ocean level will also go down, and not flood coastlines as we've been told."

    As was pointed out, this science lesson is false. And fools are people who believe amateur scientists when they make statements about the science of climate change. (BTW, the water in the ocean expands when its temperature increases.)

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 31, 2013 5:52 p.m.


    Energy from the sun varies. This causes changes in ocean temperature which effects climate. Volcanoes also play a role with weather.

    Why didn't people stop Katrina, or Sandy? We can't effect climate any more then an ant causing earthquakes.

    Fools are people who believe lies.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Go read the June 22 2012 article in the Toronto Sun. In it James Lovelock (world-renowned scientist and environmentalist) widely known as the Godfather of global warming said ".. he acknowledged he had been unduly “alarmist” about climate change"

    "Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted, Lovelock acknowledged, “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.”

    He goes on to say he still believes there is warming but the doomsday predictions of his and the likes of Al Gores "...were incorrect".

    Oh darn..guess it is not quite as clear cut as the environmentalists believe.

    The lefties harp harp harp about all the science...unless the science doesn't say what they want it to say.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    @ worf: Since all the ice that is/will be melting is not in the ocean, your point is invalid.

    Whether climate change is natural or man-made is the current debate - the fact that it is happening is not the debate.

  • Corn Dog New York, NY
    Jan. 31, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Contrary to what the agenda-driven group mentioned in the article states, most wildlife biologists consider invasive species as the number one challenge to native wildlife. This was emphasized in the recent article about the damage done by feral cats.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    The climate has always been changing. Can someone please tell me what the "optimal" temperature is so we can begin working towards it? Was it during the ice age when large swaths of this continent were under miles of ice? How about when Lake Bonneville covered this valley? How about the many mountain ranges that were carved by glaciers? The Dakota's farm land is so fertile because of the ancient glaciers that deposited soil in that region. Do I think the climate is changing? YES! Do I think man has the capability of changing it? NO! Man-made climate change has been proven a hoax, yet we keep perpetuating the myth with stupid stories like these.

  • jmason San Diego, CA
    Jan. 31, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    The man-caused global warming deniers remind me of the tobacco companies and others who claimed for decades that there was no correlation between smoking and lung cancer--despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. There was one--one!--bona fide climate scientist that I am aware of who was a hold-out, unconvinced that climate change was man-made. And now even he has accepted that it is.

    Why right-wing Republicans continue to deny that global climate change is caused by burning fossil fuels--well, I can't figure it out. There are no mainstream Republicans who doubt this, no matter what they said during the 2012 election. Newt Gingrich in late 90's starting talking about man-caused climate change, John McCain has accepted it for years now, and Mitt Romney has also (although he couldn't say so during his run for the prez, so afraid he was of the right-wing of his party).

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Jan. 31, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    I don't know how they did it, but those enviro"mental", tree huggers have even conned those darn birds into believing their global warming propaganda!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    worf and azgal the correct science of ice floating in water is, as the ice melts it replaces the water that was displaced by its existence. The water level in the bucket will neither rise and run out nor drop below the edge.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Nothing like a good climate change article to bring out all the arm chair scientists ready to prove to us why climate change is a hoax. Facts stare us in the face and we still deny it, it's pretty remarkable really.

    I suggest we all go back and take some basic science classes, or better yet listen to those who have spent their lives studying the climate, of which 97-98% agree that the climate is changing. I suppose that's too simple, there must be some left leaning liberal conspiracy in there somewhere.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    We have been experiencing "climate change" for millions if not billions of years.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    At least there is not the the drought that Texas faces.

  • azgal Buckeye, AZ
    Jan. 31, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    Ah Worf,
    Good point. But if the ice is above the waterline and it melts....

    Although a subsequent point could be made that since the world is hotter, water would evaporate faster...

    Things change. There are cycles in all of life, including in nature. It would be unreasonable to, for example, expect bears to NOT increase their interactions with humans when we are expanding our presence into their turf constantly. Where can a bear NOT see/interact/learn about humans while it lives?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 31, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Get a bucket, and put a block of ice in it. Fill the bucket with water to the rim. Because ice is in an expanded state, the water level will go down as it melts.

    If icebergs melt, the ocean level will also go down, and not flood coastlines as we've been told.

    All this political climate change is rubbish to fool the gullible.

  • Clydesdale Tooele, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    They're using fires as evidence? Man can start fires on purpose. Just saying.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    While I believe that conservation is important and we should all be responsible about how we treat the environment, I have yet to see satisfactory evidence that there is any man-made material that has the capability to create global climate change (i.e. global warming). It is purely a fiction and I believe it is immoral to use scare tactics to encourage behavior change - unless there is real proof of the danger (like running out in the street in front of cars or putting your hand on a hot burner.)