Push is on to prepare students for college and careers

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 29, 2013 11:53 p.m.

    @timpClimber---as a retired science, and math teacher, I totally agree with you. I would add a #4. 4. Apply science to current events, and every day living.

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    As a teacher who has taught science in grades 1-24 there are three changes we can make in science education that will improve the results. 1. Teach only the metric(S.I.) measurements and math from K-12. All other countries do it and we would gain time in every grade by getting rid of Imperial (King George) measurements. 2. Study and learn from countries in Asia how they use robotics (grades 1-12) to integrate science, math, logic, problem solving, programing to develop such outstanding students. Then use number 3 to implement what we learn. 3. Pay teachers one month each summer to collaborate, upgrade skills, and prepare materials for the next year. The few days they get at the beginning of the school year is just enough to get their room ready.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    To "carman" we have been measuring and recording the SAT and ACT results for years. We have even thrown more money at education than we did 30 years ago. But, contrary to what you think, the results of the testing have not improved.

    If you want to get better results, you have to raise the standards for teaching. Cut out all of the computer based learning. Computers don't answer questions for kids very well.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 29, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    This 2020 goal will never be reached. Utah is fooling itself. We're putting about half as much funding into the system as we should if we were serious about this goal. Other states that have reached this goal have done so, and we're not about to cough up what's necessary. We're just plain too cheap.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    What gender gap? The article said 43.7% of men have a college degree and 49% of the women. Do you really think the womens group is helping to fund more men getting a degree? Also, ( just had this conversation with my Jr. High and High school aged boys last night). If we are so focused on post high school degrees, than what good is High School? Why can't high school be more focused on an actual career. My one son wants to be an orthodontist. Why can't he start focusing on that now in high school? The other wants to be an engineer. But his high school only offers an intoductory course on engineering. Kids with a high school degree only show some sort of perserverance and no real applicable skills.

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Jan. 29, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Utah can talk all they want about improving their education but until they get over their myopic view of themselves and address their curriculum, it will not happen. Examples of this include:

    Elementary and Jr. High students both have to take Utah History courses along with Utah County research projects. Not only is this redundant, but nobody outside of UT cares about it’s history.

    High school students have to spend a semester taking Financial Mgmt courses because UT led the country in bankruptcy cases. Why burden HS students with this useless course?

    The humanities requirements in UT are as much as are the requirements for the STEM courses. Nothing wrong with humanities but there are just not enough valuable courses when compared to STEM subjects.

    CRT courses, supposed to be technical courses, include subjects in sewing and home crafts. This is a required course. Again, nobody outside of the state cares about these skills and they could be taught at home.

    The curriculum and the perspective of UT educators must change in order for UT students to be competitive nationally.

  • my 2 cents worth West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    If local businesses want a trained populace to draw from as employees, tax the businesses, not the people. Utah gives such great tax incentives to get businesses here...but then what?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:00 a.m.


    I agree with you on K-12, but too much time, and expense with measuring, and accountability.

    IMO, more trust need to be given for teachers without standardized tests, and micro-managing.

    Teachers take too much blame for failed policies. Most teachers are very good when using their talents, and students benefit.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    Jan. 29, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    The end goal of a university education is not and should not be to make a 6 figure salary. You're derisively termed "degrees to nowhere" are indicative of people who actually think for a change. You try teaching science courses to someone who can't meet grade level standards for reading and writing. It won't be a very successful venture.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 29, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    It's called "report cards". Also, "SAT", and "ACT".

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    P.s. While we have some problems with higher Ed, most of Utah's effort should be spent on K-12. This is where the largest deficiencies are. This article poses too many questions about post-secondary Ed. If we don't fix our elementary, middle and high schools, it will do little good to pour more resources into our colleges and universities.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    Worf, what gets measured gets improved.

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    Jan. 29, 2013 6:43 a.m.

    There is a question of value. Schools raise tuition prices, student debt reaches record levels, and then what? No jobs. That takes the underpinnings out of higher education. The problem of jobs will not get substantially better until the agenda-driven EPA and good-intentioned but bad-resulting environmentalists are defanged.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 5:32 a.m.

    I welcome this renewed emphasis on helping individuals prepare for and obtain some kind of post-high school training. In particular, there is great value to having multiple entry and exit points for higher education that include technical and professional training. Thanks to the local business community for recognizing the need to push education. Thanks to Governor Herbert for being supportive. Thanks to both Democrats and Republicans in our legislature who are trying to figure out how to support these efforts. Thanks to parents and students who see the value in higher education. Thanks to our teachers and administrators who work hard to find ways to ensure better education throughout the State. Education requires this kind of holistic effort. At the risk of sounding like a cheerleader, this is an initiative that demands our support as the quality of life in our State will largely depend on having a workforce and citizenry that is educated for the future we face and the present we live.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 4:50 a.m.

    He can't possibly believe this is really true can he? "Students who never thought they were college material are now becoming the great inventors and scientists of the world because finally they’ve been validated," he said.

    Oh yeah, now that I can take the ACT for free I am going to be validated and become a great inventor or scientist. LOL.


    All we really need to do is boost the pay of science teachers. It is ridiculous that the sewing teacher (not to pick on sewing teachers but just for an example) and a science teacher make the same amount of money. It is a wonder we can get anyone to teach science when they can go out into the "real world" and make at least double what they can make as a teacher of the sciences.

    If we want quality we have to pay for it.

    $43,000,000 for computer adaptive testing? Won't help a bit. Wasted money. I bet a legislator has a business that will get a piece of this pie!

    Get someone with some experience in education in on these decisions instead of the old guys on the hill!

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 4:33 a.m.

    I have every hope that every american could afford a college education regardless of riches but this is not how this program is intending to provide higher education to those who want it.

    What is evident in this proclamation is not a college eduction but debt to fund colleges. Higher education is about the money and student debt to sustain the the private colleges and banks with more debt than the education is worth. Jobs and wages in Utah are negotiated by government to keep and maintain poverty and tax rewards as a financial benefit for business to move here.

    It is not the right of education or the state to indoctrinate they have to be in financial debt and years of suffering that is not being disclosed. And this program keeps more adults from looking for non existing jobs they hope to find after more years of fake education courses in colleges.

    State and business way has been destructive and impractical and lie about our childrens futures with long term debts. This has made it impossible for many to recoup any long term financial benefits and promotes indentured servitude of whole families.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    Schools need to get away from testing, and prepare students for college.