Educating our children: Balancing the obligations of parents and the state

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  • LoveBoxesCkTops Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    @J-TX.. Congratulations to TX for not signing on to CC, one of only 3 states.
    But, to your other point on spending... in my school district, we have 90% pass rate in AP Calc for the past 20+ years. It was an amazing program started in our HS by some teachers who did the work to coordinate the building blocks that needed to happen all the way down through the lower grades.
    This is an example of a great locally run program that is being thrown out by the state when with the Common Core curriculum.

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Have you ever seen the movie Dr. Ben Carson or read the book. Parents make a difference. Somehow we need to get parents back into the classroom to help. I participate in a tutoring program in an elementary school. I'm not sure how much good I do but it's fun and the kids seem to like it. Reports are that their reading is improving. I understand there are over 70 tutors, retired and otherwise in one school. Great program. It's difficult to know what is best but my vote would be to help in the elementary schools (early grades). Teachers are doing a marvelous job for the hand they're dealt. If you can get a child to read and enjoy reading you have won a major battle. Sometimes I think we spend too much time with new programs etc. which take away from teaching basics. I hope the all knowing people at the State Legislature can come up with some workable ideas.

  • LoveBoxesCkTops Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    We spend 4 Billion dollars on education in Utah and only about 30 cents of every dollar gets to the classroom.
    Every few years we toss costly programs and begin others wasting untold fortunes in books, training and other resources thinking that there is some way that schools can compensate for failures at home.
    We are about to begin the most costly one of all COMMON CORE which is a total federal takeover of public ed. fraudulently foisted upon the public. The curriculum is a disaster infused with the far left politics of organizations like the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation which has spent millions to both develop and promote Common Core throughout the country; millions which they will surely recover selling educational materials for the Common Core curriculum.
    REPEAL Common Core!

  • catcrazed Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    Thanks to those parents who know that they are the child's first teacher. Thanks to those parents who continue to work with the schools and the students. Thanks to those that really appreciate what good things are happening. Boo to those who continue to espouse the over used rhetoric which trashes public schools without seeing what is really going on.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:27 p.m.


    Yes! Both Democrats, and Rrepublicans are quick to spend money that we dont have. My error, I thought you were blaming only George Bush.

    IMO. We spend too much on education. Much of the funding is wasted before it filters down to the classroom.

  • squirt Taylorsville, ut
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    You need to look at the legislation which was passed WITH the UEA dealing with administrator and teacher evaluations. It is important that you have all the information before throwing out a comment which is in direct conflict to the actions of the UEA last session.

    As we move forward, I suggest that we stop with the rhetoric designed to blame a certain group and do what is recommended in this article-collaborate.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    "Don't forget that No Child left behind was preceded by Clinton's "21st Century". Both programs are a waste."

    Worf. Not really sure the connection.

    My point is that Republicans and Democrats are quick to spend money that we dont have.

    It was a attempt to debunk the continuous notion on this board by those on the right that the solution to our fiscal woes is not simply to elect Republicans. The GOP is at least as likely to add to the deficit as the democrats.

    Many are blind to that fact, or only carp about it years later.

  • Kirk R Graves West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    I can't tell you how offensive it is to me, as a parent, that the state believes they have a "responsibility to educate all children and help them be successfule, regardless of circumstances". The only responsibility the state has is to make a quality education AVAILABLE to all children, regardless of circumstances.

    The difference between those two statements is the difference between a mature society which accepts responsibility for it's own actions, and a childish, lazy society who wants to abdicate its responsibilities to someone else (the state), then blame that someone else when things don't turn out the way they want.

    To accept that it is the state's responsibility to educate our children is to accept that we don't have a right to determine the type of education our children need, and that the state has the final say in how to raise our children.

  • bzmomo6 Carthage, NC
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    I have been following this issue for years now. I am a military wife and have lived all over the country - with a three year stint in UT. I have served on PTAs/PTOs everywhere I have been. I have been a school board president. I volunteer in my children's classrooms doing everything from making copies, to reading with children to helping kids who are struggling. What makes a difference in how a school functions and whether kids succeed is if there is parent involvement, parental support. As a mom, I know how hard it is to keep going when all you hear is complaints. Teachers are pretty much in the same situation. A little gratitude and support goes a long way. I think every family should be required to volunteer 10 hours per child in the school or if they are so busy with work, then they should be required to contribute $100 per child.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:13 a.m.


    Don't forget that No Child left behind was preceded by Clinton's "21st Century". Both programs are a waste.

    What's important, is fixing the problem, and getting current funding to the classroom.

    Jan. 28, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    Time to eliminate ALL income tax deductions for children. All Utah Income Tax goes to education. Why do parents refuse to pay as much as those without children? Where are the "Family Values" when parents do not pay as much to educate their children as everyone else?

    Utah teachers do an outstanding job with limited funding. (I am not a school teacher).

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Jan. 28, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    The article decries Utah for having the lowest spending per student on education in the US.

    There are two ways to look at this.
    One that hasn't been voiced is, "Bravo" for holding the line on spending. My kids have gone to public school in Oregon for 10 years and in Texas for 8 years. In Oregon, 38% of spending goes to Administration (non-classroom) expenses. 34% in Texas. Both numbers are too high. I would wager that 1/4 of every dollar is wasted. Utah spends 30% on Admin, but that's because there is a minimum spend just to be in the business. When you look at the overall, Utah spends 2/3 what Oregon and Texas spend. I think if you could find a way to keep admin costs in line, and add dollars to the classroom (more, better teachers) you would reap rewards.

    We chose areas to live that support schools. We live with higher costs and more waste than I think is prudent. But all my kids have calculus by the end of HS, and 1/5 of the HS kids participate in band, orchestra or choir here in Allen, TX. Spend more, get more?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 28, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Dont forget that No Child left behind was the brainchild of George Bush. Cosponsored by John Boehner and passed by a GOP majority. (with a yes vote from Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor)

    Did this constitute "more loony lefty indoctrination"

    Can you say medicare part D? With YES votes from Cantor, Boehner, McConnell. The Largest entitlement program since LBJ.

    I am not saying that the left did not sign on to these plans.. Just pointing out that the GOP is not exactly the "small government" party that many would like to believe. At least not using history as a guide.

    And dont forget, both of these plans were not only championed by the GOP, they also controlled the president, house and senate.

    Proving that is it much easier to bash spending when you are not in power than it is to cut spending when you are.

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    Jan. 28, 2013 6:36 a.m.

    Money spent on schools does not necessarily go toward real education. First things first; the Three Rs; Reading, wRiting, and aRithmatic are the essentials that are the first things ignored in favor of the glamor stuff that is not education. Too much money is wasted on administrative costs and salaries. Get back to basics and all the other things will be more doable.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 27, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    Without a budget plan for the passed four years, we cannot see where our tax money has gone, or will be going.

    Only one percent to education is a myth. Education is not under funded, but over regulated. Superintendents making more then a governor is crazy.

    How many jobs does the military create, and compare that to the funding of those on the dole for doing nothing. I'd rather have people working.

    It would be shameful to cut defense, and place workers on the dole.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    It makes no sense to me that we provide special attention to kids who are behind. My child, who is two grades ahead receives nothing. A kid with a learning disability is given a one on one tutor while my kid sits in class all day twiddling her thumbs. This logic is asinine.
    Obviously, private school is our only option in Utah. The government funded schools completely fail our family.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    Big Government and Big Education have teamed up to indoctrinate our children to "think right" about all issues, meekly pay their taxes so the bureaucrats can be paid ever increasing salaries, while taxpayers keep ever less of their own money. And, of course to ensure that kids will feel good about living on the liberal welfare plantation, and voting for liberals.

    Parents- your kids do not need more loony lefty indoctrination, they need real education. Since the public schools no longer do that, it is time to send your kids to private or parochial schools, or even charter schools- no matter how much it costs. Even better, if you can do it is to Home School!

    Yes, it does require more work to prepare your kids to live free, but they will be eternally grateful for your getting them out of the liberal trap.

  • Scouter Midvale, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    Welcome to the state of education these days. If you want your kids to have opportunities, well then, you're likely stuck providing them yourself. That's why I spent today working on special projects with my son. He doesn't get them in school otherwise, which is a shame. As for spending, I don't have a problem with funding education more than we do - as long as we get rid of the deadweight, too, in the form of crappy teachers and administrators who do a poor job. Let's admit it; we all know some. If the UEA and districts would clean house, I'd gladly pay more. I am against paying teachers more who don't produce more.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Is it any wonder?

    No child left behind focused on test scores rather than education. Promoting a black marked of manipulated test scores instead of comprehensive education.

    Any time a budget needs to be cut, education is the first victim. Now having teachers purchase supplies for their students.

    Education, makes up less than 1% of the national budget. However, it is the first to be the target of budget cuts.

    Our US military, spends x8 more than any country on earth, more than half of the US budget.

    Which would you cut?

    It is impossible to make the claim that education is a priority for America when we spend billions on Harry Potter style invisible cloaks.

    x8 more on our military than any other country on earth.

    That's eight China's.

  • Colorado Reader Littleton, CO
    Jan. 27, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Wait? Parents have obligations when it comes to the education of their children?? Shocking! This might really be news to some people!!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 27, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    In the passed thirty years, I have asked hundreds of parents, teachers, and administrators if these tests improve learning, creativity,and over all education.

    Not once has anyone said yes. Some say it's needed for accountability.

    Why accountability, and to who? Schools are for learning.

    Is it any wonder why we have a high welfare state, unemployment, and half our college graduates are Asians?