I have seen a couple of comments where the writers have said that Dellavedova
dribbled the ball before he launched his shot that won the game, but I've
looked at his drive at several angles and I didn't see him dribble the ball
once. In fact, I counted him taking three steps before he launched the ball and
landed on one foot for his fourth step. He obviously carried the ball and had
slightly ducked past Winder who was in his path but who had jumped back. I
can't fault the referees for not noticing the ball carry, but it did
as Davies goes so go the cougs
Tough loss, hopefully it inspires the Cougars rather than deflates them.
We'll see what their made of in the next couple of weeks.
DeepBlueYou're a little too fired up and emotional about your
cougars loss and it shows.Go back and read my comment again and tell
me where I say anything about the PAC-12 being as strong of a conference as the
MWC this year. The truth is that the upper half of the MWC is very strong,
stronger than the PAC-12. However, there are more teams with higher RPI's
in the PAC-12 that could ultimately bolster the ratings of the better PAC-12
teams as long as they don't stumble against the lesser teams.The main point however was letting your buddy Phoenix know that BYU is not as
highly rated as he wants to believe, and there are more Pac 12 teams rated above
BYU and Saint Marys than he wants to believe, the RPI ratings show it.Bottom line, BYU won't be dancing without winning at least 2 of 3
remaining games against Gonzaga and Saint Marys unless they somehow win the
conference tourney. Saint Marys is in a very similar position which means your
incredible WCC conference is not looking incredible at all.
Replay of the final 2.5 seconds shows a near half-court pass to Mr. D, then the
clock starts. Mr. D takes two steps as he dribbles around 1 defender who rushed
over to him, then he heaves his shot at 1.4 seconds, with the ball swooshing the
net at 0.00.Still photos of Cougar students with mouths agape in
shock and disbelief are incredible. We were finally on the receiving end of
Coach Rose should be fired! That was the worst piece of coaching ever. He
could write a book on "how to blow a game".
Tilka"Last second defense should have been Haws on Dellavedova,
pressure the in bound, and the rest play defense above the three point line.
Seriously, they let St. Mary's do a half court inbound bass right to Mr.
D?"Doesn't sound like you even watched the game. Delavadova
took the inbounds pass at the baseline, dribble just past half court and made an
unbelievable shot. In hidesight, BYU should have called timeout to set up the
defense, but it's pure speculation what would have happened even if BYU had
called the timeout. Crazy things happen at the end of games.
ImaCaMan"Again BYU has everyone laughing on
SportsCenter."Actually, the only ones laughing are the realistic
bloggers who are laughing at your silly comment.The truth is ESPN
was VERY IMRPESSED with the closing shots made by both Haws and Delavadova.NOBODY, except our jealous friends on the hill, laughs at team that
losses a game by a single point on a desperate heave at the buzzer.
motorbikeDespite your silly comparison, here are the latest
Conference Power Rankings:1. Big Ten 2. Big East 3.
Mountain West 4. Big 12 5. ACC 6. Atlantic 10 7. Pac 12
8. SEC 9. Missouri Valley10. West Coast Notes -
Arizona remains very good. UCLA is surging. Colorado is fading badly. Washington
has emerged ahead of the Bay Area teams as a possible dark horse contender.
Arizona State is better than expected. The rest of the league is still not very
good.The truth is, despite the weakness of the bottom half of the
WCC, the PAC 12 isn't a whole lot better.The MWC would DESTROY
the PAC 12 this season if the two conferences were to play a complete
round-robin between all of the teams.
Note to Coach Rose: When a team is killing you from the three point line, GET
OUT OF THE ZONE!! Or when one guy is killing you, have somebody ride him one on
one the whole game. I was ready to throw a shoe at the TV every time Mr. Arm
Sleeve (Holt?) was left all alone to drain his 3 pointers.Props to
St. Marys. They never quit. It's exhausting just watching Dellavedova play.
Constant motion, never lets up, refuses to lose. I can't imagine playing
More "exposure". Again BYU has everyone laughing on SportsCenter.
St. Mary's, St. Mary's, St. Mary's isn't that an all
girls Jr. College?This is hilarious!Wow! that WCC is
Last second defense should have been Haws on Dellavedova, pressure the in bound,
and the rest play defense above the three point line. Seriously, they let St.
Mary's do a half court inbound bass right to Mr. D?
Looks like the NIT at season's end for the cougars. It would be nice to
win a few games there than losing in the first round or maybe even the play in.
Davies will not be a pro.
BYU jumps out to a huge lead and then everyone starts taking wild shots,
especially Davies shot that went over the backboard! Was shocked to see the
lack of blocking out, Jr. Jazz coaching teaches the first thing to getting a
rebound is making sure the other guy can't get it. St. Mary's
offensively rebounded at will. Finally, Carlino tried to win it on his own
instead of running the offense. We need a point guard....
Phoenix,What matters when it comes to NCAA selection time is the RPI
ratings more so than Sagarin Ratings.There are 68 teams in the
tourney so I've pulled the ranking for each team in the top 68 for the
conferences you mentioned. These are the teams which would have at least a
remote chance at the tourney at this point in time:3 Arizona7
Gonzaga9 New Mexico20 UNLV23 Colorado36 Oregon37
CSU32 UCLA33 SDSU39 Boise St45 BYU51 Washington59 Wyoming62 ASU63 St Marys66 CalSo here's
how it REALLY breaks down ...PAC-12 - 7 teamsMWC - 6 teamsWCC - 3 teamsBy the way, the only other team remotely close is
Stanford at 80.What does this mean? Too early to say for sure, but
PAC 12 teams have more quality teams to bolster their RPI than either
conference. BYUs RPI will have trouble moving up without beating St Marys or
Gonzaga at least once. Any other loss in the WCC will end BYU's at large
chances and same goes for St Marys.
Down under"Who did the Utes lose to?"Pretty sure
you know the answer to your smug question since you display Pullman, WA as your
home location.Let's remember that WSU was one shot away from
beating beloved WCC favorite Gonzaga. WSU may not be great but as another person
in this thread mentioned, if BYU was playing in the PAC-12 they'd most
likely finish in the middle or lower region of the standings. Yes, ahead of
Utah, so you still have that.
We were cheated. The clock didn't start soon enough after St Marys took
the ball in bounds. Had it, the buzzer would have gone off before the final
M.Delevedova has a habit of dribble-charging into his defender and getting to
the foul line where he hits 90%. Wonder why the refs let him continue this over
the years? He did it again against Austin in the latter part of this game,
clear contact initiated by him as defender was backpedling, have seen it many
Man that was tough. That Dellavadova can't graduate soon enough for my
liking. BYU simply has no answer for that guy, he torches them every time they
I agree with some of the other comments. In watching the game, undoubtedly,
Dellavedova caught the Cougs (coaches & players) sleeping at the switch
after Haws' clutch basket. With 2.9 seconds, no reason why Rose
couldn't have called a time-out to properly defense St. Mary's inbound
pass. Regardless, the players need to understand to play all 20 minutes of the
half. Dellavedova was clapping for the inbound pass immediately, and freely
moved with the ball until a body was put on him. Very gutsy play on his end.
Let's hope our Cougs learn from this game. My word was this was a tough
loss, with USD coming in on Sat & us playing at Gonzaga, both with
undefeated conf. records. Yep. This loss hurt us.
BYU got pounded on the boards and seemed flat-footed. That was the difference
in the game. At least they lost to a very good team. They are still in the
hunt for a NCAA bid. Who did the Utes lose to?
utahcountyute"Whatever makes you feel good sammy, but middle of
the WCC would = basement of the MWC and PAC for the cougs this year as
well."For BYU, 5th or 6th in the MWC is possible, but no worse
than 4th in the PAC 12. Sorry to burst your crimson-colored bubble, again, but
beyond Arizona, UCLA, and Oregon, the PAC 12 is decent, but nothing to brag
about.Sagarin Rankings:10 Arizona22 Oregon38
UCLA52 Colorado56 Washington11 Gonzaga44 BYU53 Saint Mary's23 New Mexico24 San Diego St25
UNLV27 Colorado St35 Boise State43 Wyoming
Something in common. St Marys is the only team that the Aggies have lost to
this season. Already looking forward to the USU/y matchup in a month.
We all pointed to Davies with no rebounds, but Sharp only had two rebounds and 1
offensive rebound. Some of this happens because of long rebounds off 3 point
shooting which they did a lot of. But it appears that Sharp and Davies got
pushed around. We needed to send in the enforcer(the bouncer) in these
situations instead of Nate Austin. Why not send in Kaufusi. If we are getting
manhandled, send him in and start letting them know who is boss. We need to
bully the bully. Kaufusi may score just as much as Austin at this point. But
the affect on the other team could be immeasurable. Also, learn
from St. Mary's. If you can physically intimidate the other team, you
win. If Kaufusi isn't enough, Kyle Van Noy might be of use.(Kidding. sort
of) Also, Brandon, you can get pretty physical if you don't have the ball.
You rarely get called for a foul during rebounding and getting position.
Maybe Anae can help you guys get nasty.
CWEB"Beautiful shot by Dellavedova, but hey, nobody was in front
of him either, no hand in his face, nothing. Sad really."Here's what ESPN had to say about the shot:"Saint
Mary's guard Matthew Dellavedova hit the buzzer-beater of the season to
knock off BYU in Provo on Wednesday night. If that is the case, you should watch
the video now: I mean … what a shot, and what a play.
Dellavedova somehow creates enough momentum with the catch and dribble to get to
40-ish feet within 2.5 seconds, at which point he euro-steps a defender, hops,
double-clutches, hangs, and hits, followed by what must have been the single
most ecstatic few seconds of his life."Quite a contrast between
the description of someone who's just looking for something to whine about,
and an unbiased observer who doesn't have an ax to grind.
CWEBYour observations are silly. And your suggestion to bench Davies
is absolutely ludicrous. Davies, for better or worse, is the key to BYU's
offense running smoothly. When he's playing well, he elevates the play of
the entire team.The main cause of Brandon's recent slump is his
ankle injury, which is improving. Except for forcing a few shots and not getting
any rebounds, Davies played a decent game. My only complaint with Davies
performance last night is reverting to a problem that's troubled him
throughout his career at BYU, picking up cheap fouls, which I think is just a
lack of concentration at times on his part.As for your speculation
that "something is not right in his life", you don't know what
you're talking about.
@ sammy "very much better""??? lolWhatever
makes you feel good sammy, but middle of the WCC would = basement of the MWC and
PAC for the cougs this year as well. Heartbreaking loss though.
Trying again . . apparently a bunch of nonsense symbols strung together is
considered to be "vulgarity" by the humorless, maternal moderators at
the DN.Basketball is instinctual to the best players. They just tend
to make the right plays and be in the right place without thinking about it.
Davies just isn't one of those guys. I find myself yelling "WHAT THE
SWEET FANNY ADAMS (is that OK, DN?) WAS THAT??" at him several times a game.
Despite some physical talent, basketball is hard for him.On defense,
can I ask why he insists on running out past the top of the key (sometimes to
midcourt) to double PG's? I can't imagine Rose is telling him to do
that. More often than not, it results in a dunk, layup, or wide-open 3 as his
teammates scramble to cover for him. It rarely results in a turnover. STAY DOWN
LOW, BRANDON. YOU'RE NOT A GUARD.
I was pleasantly surprised to see and watch in person that Carlino is a better
player than Della just not as experienced yet. Carlino is amazing with the ball.
He did make a few dribbling into traffic errors but he sees the court like no
other guard since danny ainge. He sees the court better than Jimmer to be
honest. Davies is good but not that good. He's not a banger down low.
Looking forward to Luke Worthington next year. I would have played Bronson
Kaufusi down low. Josh Sharp is the most improved player by far. Winder is my
fan favorite. He is still getting his conditioning back. Haws missed a couple of
free throws he wishes he had back which was one of the differences in the game.
Either Haws was under the weather or i have noticed the drag of the season is
beginning to wear on his recently returned missionary legs. In the words of Herb
Brooks: "The legs feed the wolf."
That celebration was classless.
Davies is so over rated...If I were Rose I'd sit him on the bench, win lose
or draw. The guy needs a serious wakeup call, and he needs some serious
counseling. Maybe hire a coach and a psychiatrist to figure out what is wrong
with this guy. Again, something is not right in his life maybe? I'd hate
to think about repeat of two years ago, but something is amiss.A
SENIOR? He is again letting his teammates down.Beautiful shot by
Dellavedova, but hey, nobody was in front of him either, no hand in his face,
nothing. Sad really.
I was crushed to see the Cougars lose the game at the buzzer. I have to say
though that Matthew Dellavedova is sick! That shot he made at the buzzer was
phenomenal. He's definitely first team All American material along with All
Academic honors. The Cougars need to make some improvements in their game
though. First, the Cougars need to stop playing zone defense when it does
nothing against the other team's perimeter. That's what cost them
their big lead. Second, Brandon Davies needs to learn to stay out of foul
trouble so much. He's BYU's only big man who can make a difference
night after night. Also, the other Cougs on the court need to step it up so
Tyler Haws can make more assists. The Cougars need a win at Saint Mary's to
Zero rebounds for Davies? what, was he playing on his knees? how does a
6'9" post player get zero rebounds? I'm so frustrated with Davies,
one game he dominates, the next he disappears, and most of the time he gets into
early foul trouble and misses most of the game. and our other post players
aren't much better. Rose better find a JC guy who can play the middle for
Re:BlueCougAMEN!!!also...I kept thinking
after Holt went 4 for 4 for 10 points, why doesn't Rose stick a guy on him?
The momentum really swung for the Gaels when Holt went off in the first
half.Davies played a big 6'4". Is it just me or does
Davies play small? He seems completely flummoxed by big slow defenders. Davies
would have made a great small forward if he didn't have to play middle.
Too bad. In another system, or a different team, he could have been great.All said...Haws was terrific, Carlino was sometimes. Austin has an
incredible soft touch to his shot but 16 ft. fade-aways for a 6'11" guy
makes him a really tall small forward.I hope BYU can recruit some
big bodied forward/center types that play up to their height to complement the
tandem of Haws/Carlino in the next two years.I'll keep watching
and cheering! Go Cougs!
Davies needs to get tough. O rebounds is not acceptable. BYU's other bigs
need to box out and take rebounding as seriously as the Gaels do. Carlino is a
magician at zeroing out the good things he does with the immature, selfish
things he does. I'm convinced the worst thing for BYU is for Carlino to
have early success. It goes to his head and he fantasizes about taking over the
game...and he obviously is not that good. When he plays smart and tries to
involve his teammates, he is fine. BYU will have to win the rest of
the games on its schedule to have a shot at the big dance. Not likely.
Two words guys: BOX OUT!BYU beat the Gaels in FG% 53-42, 3PT% 46-40,
and FT% 75-67, but got KILLED on O-Reb 4-12.Saint Mary's
dominated the Cougars on 2nd chance points, and that was the difference in the
game. Unbelievably, Davies didn't get a single rebound.Gotta
give Saint Mary's props for hanging in there after getting behind early
20-4.Dellavadova is a gamer and his buzzer-beater was amazing.
Congrats to Saint Mary's on a great win.BYU's chances for
a 7th straight NCAA tournament are now razor thin. It's still possible that
the WCC could get 3 teams into the tournament, but if it comes down to a choice
between BYU and Saint Mary's, the Gaels clearly have the inside track.
On behalf of all Ute fans I will claim this game as an official BYU moral
victory. Getting beat at the buzzer says this was a good game and it was. I
enjoyed it.Of course I was dumbfounded at the buzzer but you have to
hand it to St. Mary's for coming back and that last shot.Look
forward to seeing the game against these guys later as BYU has a real team that
can beat these guys if the mistakes are corrected and Davies has a decent game.
Just an off night for him I guess.This is much better than 0-5...
very much better.
BYU, if you need a lesson on GRIT, you got one from Dellavedova.
Plenty to learn from in this game. I hope each player breaks down the game and
sees the mistakes and improves. i have heard many times that you learn much
more from losses than you do from wins.
The BYU matchup zone worked for a while, then the Gaels adjusted. But Rose kept
with the zone until the Gaels caught up mostly with poorly contested 3 point
shots. Why? Inquiring minds want to know.
I knew Davies had a ho-hum game, but I didn't realize he had ZERO boards.
That's just unacceptable. Five fouls and zero rebounds from our supposedly
all-conference center. Blech. On the offensive end, am I the only one that feels
like Brandon consistently makes easy plays into tough plays? Does this sound
familar: he'll have good position with the ball in his hands, and instead
of just flipping up a little jump hook or going straight up, he starts a
pointless array of fakes and tics before throwing up awkward leaner and begging
for a foul call.Carlino is improving, but he still loses his mind
too often. Great start, shooting well, playing under control, taking what was
there. Then, all of a sudden he throws up an impossible fadeaway 18-footer,
starts dribbling and passing into a sea of St. Mary hands, and all his good work
is negated. Maybe by the time he's a senior he'll have that stuff out
of his system. SLOW DOWN, MATT . .
Look on the bright side, BYU made ESPN's #1 of top 10 plays of the day by
being beat at the buzzer. Any press is good press, right?
Well Rose next time encourage the Boys in Blue to trap and play defense or call
a time-out to ensure a debacle like this never happens again especially not at
home. Could have been knocking at top 25 and ensured the dance now the road to
qualify is extremely difficult...
Give the Gaels credit for clawing their way back into the game. The first 10
minutes of the game were the best I've seen BYU play this season, then we
went on vacation for the next 20 minutes. If any NBA scouts were on hand,
Davies needs to make new plans for post college. After playing an average 1st
half, he was awful in the 2nd half. His shot selection, his defense, his fouls
were what you'd expect from a Freshman. Carlino was inspired in the first
half and then began to force shots, force passes and couldn't stop anything
on defense. If it weren't for Winder's solid defense in the 2nd half,
the game wouldn't have been this close. Goodbye NCAA tourney this year,
and hello NIT.
Choked another big game away.Out of the running already.
zero rebound? ouch I will be glad to see that ugly mouth piece guy gone after
this season.sorry he's a dirty player.
According to this article, there were only about 14,000 people at the game. It
is possible that the Marriott Ctr. was only two thirds filled???