Matthew Sanders: Why target Quentin Tarantino?

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  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    Wally West:
    [I'll agree w/ MR to a certain extent... Like the old knight from the 3rd Indiana Jones admonishes, We should "Choose Wisely!"]

    Now there is a fantastic violence/gor series. Flesh melting in Indiana Jones 1, ripping out beating hearts in Indiana Jones 2, and all creative ways people die in the Temple of the Grail, including decapitation and rapid aging and desiccation.

    Indiana Jones was a personal favorite of mine as a kid. Jewish/Christian/Hindu Mythology, violence, Nazis, cults, and a hero with a bullwhip, gun, and a PhD.

    Too bad the 4th movie was such garbage... no quality gore and violence either.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    Why do we target QT? He is a lightning rod as casual observer (9:16 a.m. Jan. 15) states. My guess he speaks out at times like these to get an ego stroke. Its probably the same reason he "creates" the "art" he does.

    re: Mike Richards 9:36 a.m. Jan. 15

    *Who can tell what "triggers" violence?*

    Choosing fight over flight perhaps?

    "Because so few people seem to understand that putting violence into our minds means that it is there for future reference.We are free to choose. We should choose wisely."

    Just because its there does not mean we should, need to, or will. Resisting those impulses is separates from the animals, a Tarantino film, etc...

    I'll agree w/ MR to a certain extent... Like the old knight from the 3rd Indiana Jones admonishes, We should "Choose Wisely!"

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Jan. 15, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Comparing Bugs Bunny to an interactive graphic video game like Grand Theft Auto is like comparing an apple to the moon. Although since the moon is made of cheese (I too grew up on Bugs Bunny) I guess you can say they’re both round food.

    @Craig Clark

    An eloquent comment…

    @ Twin Lights

    Insightful as always…

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Jan. 15, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    A Hollywood reeling from the charge that popular culture is the culprit hides behind its chorus line calling for stricter gun laws.

    An NRA anxious to shift the focus away from gun availability washes its hands like Pilate and points in the direction of video games.

    The fray is joined by an new strain of ‘truthers’ pouring into Newtown to find proof that the Sandy Hook massacre is a hoax manufactured by Federal and state authorities.

    The plot thickens.

    Tell me this is all a bad dream. It’s a struggle to keep from getting too cynical when we see madness giving way to lunacy.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Jan. 15, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    I watched violence on Bugs Bunny for over 50 years.

    Guess what,
    I neve once even felt a twinge like dropping an anvil on anyone.

    Let alone shooting anyone ala, Elmer J. Fudd.

    This is beyond ridiculous.

    Lock-em up in a gun case where they belong,
    or ban them all together.

    ..anything less than that is just silly nonsense.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    If we agree that we don't know what triggers violence, can we also agree that "violence" is defined differently by different people?

    Can a threat be considered violent? Can threatening to fire someone, flunk someone or take his car or house be considered a violent act? Is physical force necessary?

    What is the difference between non-physical violence and just being "mean"?

    What I'm getting at is that some people would tell us "no harm, no foul" while others would pile penalty upon penalty if they thought that someone was intimidated because of his sex, his race or his nation of origin.

    Would "All in the Family" be a violent TV show? Do we have to see blood and guts before the show is violent? Would a show telling kids to disrespect the parents be violent?

    It's not nearly as abstract as some would assume if thoughts really do precede the action. If a child is taught by a movie to sass his parents and the parents place sanctions on that child and the child breaks things to show his parents that he is displeased, and the parents . . .

    Which seed will bloom into violence?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Twin Lights and Tyler -- two very good comments. Thanks.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    So, the 'heroin' in 'kill bill' goes to a foreign oriental country where guns are banned, and with a sword and years of martial arts training is able to destroy a ruthless gang of 88 crazy assassins who defend themselves with swords but are slashed to pieces in much the same fashion as does Ammon with his sword in defending the kings flocks from robbers in the Book of Mormon. There is a lot of bloodshed in that book by the way.

    So, she comes back to the good old USA to some town in SW United States and meets her match when she attempts to invade a home with intent to murder it's homeowner and is met at the door with a double shotgun blast that lands her on her back 20 feet from the front porch.... a lovely example for the need and the right to bear firearms

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    The D-News needs to get its bi-polar editorial act togethers. Two articls saying that gun violence defies any easy solution. Two articles saying its Quintin Tarentinos fault.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    "Who can tell what "triggers" violence? "

    Value question, though when it comes down to it someone can do a lot more damage with a handgun than they can a DVD case.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Perhaps if this was a hot issue 40 or 50 years ago when the partisan wing nuts were on the fringes, I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. But in today’s environment we have one side that will fight tooth and nail against any perceived constraints on their 1st amendment rights to produce (and critically praise in Tarantino’s case) any garbage they can sell.

    On the other side is a large and well financed constituency that will fight any perceived infringement of their 2nd amendment rights. Why this side doesn’t take their arguments to their logical conclusions and call for individual ownership of tanks and fighter jets (since the 2nd amendment was designed to overthrow a tyrannical government which should imply citizens having the ability to actually do so) is beyond me, but I guess common sense and societal outrage still hold some sway.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Violence in the media cannot be the entire discussion. That would be incredibly short sighted. There are several competing factors all of which need to be dealt with harmoniously. But believe that violence in the media is of no effect is foolish.

    The following is not an argument for or against firearms. But think about America 40 or 50 years ago. A higher percentage of homes had firearms and few of them were locked up. But there were few instances (that I can recall at any rate) of these types of mass shootings. Why? What has changed in America since the 1960s and 70s?

    When we know the answer to that question, we will be on the path to solving this.

    Reference firearms, entertainment, and mental health. Probably none of these can remain precisely as they are now.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    Tarentino's "kill bill 2" builds up the lethal value of swords as the most dangerous of all weapons and builds on that theme all throughout the first movie and then at the end of the 2nd movie we find that the quintessence of home protection is embodied in a double barreled shotgun.

    By these 2 'kill bill' films, Tarentino has with cinematic display, done more for the advancement of the American citizens right to bear arms as guaranteed in the US Constitution than anyone else I know.

  • three11stu Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    What I find interesting is that there are such large numbers of parents who believe (even though it is not based on any factual evidence) that viewing violent media causes violence, yet is seems that they are not doing anything to stop it. If you truly felt that way, get rid of your video games, get rid of your tv's, and stop going to the movies. Parents are such hypocrites. Stop complaining and do something about it if you feel that it is a problem. Instead, they allow these things into their homes, and allow their children to view these things because it is easier than trying to stop it.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    because he is making the paper a lot of money, not hard to spot the hypocrisy here.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Who can tell what "triggers" violence? Who can tell whether seeing and hearing and reading about violence can trigger violence? Who can tell us that we are not what we experience?

    Didn't someone who is greater than us all tell us to guard our thoughts? Didn't he warn us that "as a man thinketh, so is he"?

    We have agency to make choices. If we choose to let violence be part of our lives, then we have allowed violent scenes and violent thoughts to be rooted somewhere in our minds. Who is to say that when the right circumstances occur that we will not dig out those violent memories and act on them?

    Before guns, there were knives and swords. Before knives and swords, there were sticks and stones. Violent people use whatever weapon that they have available to facilitate their violent desires.

    Because so few people seem to understand that putting violence into our minds means that it is there for future reference, it helps to have constant reminders that we don't need to participate with Hollywood.

    We are free to choose. We should choose wisely.

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    [A recent survey of 1,050 parents, conducted by Common Sense Media and the Center for American Progress, shows that 77 percent believe that, "Media violence, such as content in TV, movies, and video games, contributes to America's culture of violence." Sadly, 75 percent of those same parents indicated that it is difficult to shield their children from violence.

    Additionally, a poll of readers indicates that more than 85 percent agree or strongly agree that "violent entertainment contributes to a culture of violence?" Furthermore, around 85 percent also believe the amount of violence in America is "getting worse" and that the news industry doesn't take "entertainment violence seriously enough."]

    This isn't evidence or proof of anything, except that the majority of Deseret News readers and people willing to take surveys from right wing groups are afraid of everything.

    Who cares what these people think? Its just proof of white, middle-class, religious fear.

    Especially when REAL statistics proves that "the amount of violence in America" is getting BETTER.

    [our violence-drenched society]

    Nope. Our society isn't violence drenched. Everything is consistently getting better, people aren't getting "more wicked", and the "end-times" are nowhere in sight.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    I’m no fan of Tarantino and I’ve criticized him on these boards in recent days. When something horrific happens, we look for the scapegoat on which to fix blame while knowing that none of us are in a position to cast the first stone. Both the First Amendment and the Second Amendment are taking their share of lumps since the Newtown atrocities. The fury will subside in time and it will seem that nothing is going to change.

    Let Quentin Tarantino keep finding new projects to indulge his interminably pubescent mentality. The best thing for me to do is see to it that I don’t help make it monetarily profitable for him.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    I find it ironic that this paper takes such a stand against violent media, yet their sister company and shared news room (KSL) is one of the purveyors of this violent media that the Deseret News hates so much. It seems like a bit of cognitive dissonance to me.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Tarentino is a lightning rod for the violent genre of films. He glorifies gratuitous, stylized violence. His work is similar to a drug dealer who facilitates and profits from an illness.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Obviously, anyone entering a movie theater or purchasing a video game should have to undergo a background check and a 7 day waiting (cooling down) period.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Targeting Tarantino seems a bit opportunistic and disingenuous to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't watch his stuff, but blaming Tarantino, or indeed hollywood in general, is totally missing the point. This level of violence has been around in entertainment, and totally ignored by DN, among others, for years. Ever watched what your kids are doing on Halo, or Call of Duty? Have you watched High Plains Drifter, or texas chainsaw, or any one of thousands of others? How did this body of work go unnoticed while you crusaded on and on about porn? Yet there it was, and it is as much a symptom as it is a cause. We want this stuff, and pay for it. Often it involves gratuitous use of guns, and there's no way we can speak against that around here. Yeah, all this violence is bad. But don't try to convince me it's new, or hollywoods' fault.

  • Stgeorgebyu St. Georg, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    Tell me Beverly, Have you ever asked yourself why people want these guns? It is not the gun itself but why people buy them, why people want to use them. If all political leaders, news reports and people who think outlawing something stops something else, they will be lost in the mud of the wrong debate. It's naive to believe that if you show violence it will not bread violence. Commercials are built on showing makes us want. Its naive to believe that the more the government try's to control it wont lead to more rebelling by those who don't wish to be controlled. Beverly please don't fall into the simple quick "fixes" because they don't fix anything, they just exacerbate them.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    The government (that means us, the people) have been in a constant state of war for over ten years and you think it is the media that is causing the culture of violence?

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    A consoling factor for people who treasure their right to own firearms for protection was brought out in the 'Kill Bill' movie when a homeowner can sit relaxing in their rocking chair inside their homes and still have the ability to blow an assaulting housebreaker off their threshold and 20 feet out onto the front lawn with a shotgun blast even if the assailant has been highly skilled and trained in martial arts and is wielding the best sword the world has ever known.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    I simply don't watch network TV except when it's time for news (it's PBS only for me).

    Last night, just before 10, I turned my set to Channel 5 a couple of minutes early and what did I find?

    A couple of extremely violent and raunchy scenes previewing the next episode of whatever had been in the trash can beside the pig trough for the previous hour.

    The problem of garbage as entertainment goes far beyond Quentin Tarentino.

    But who is responsible for that? Could it be viewers who mindlessly watch it thinking they are being entertained? Could it be those who are disgusted but say nothing?

    No amount of legislation will cure this problem. But I'll bet a few hundred thousand letters to sponsor from people who are fed up with it would have a very fast and positive result.

    Have you written any?

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    It is the "One Month Anniversary" of 20 little children being shot to death, and the Deseret News has no stories about it, and continues to deflect attention away for the primary cause (GUNS) to movies and other issues. Today, the President of the United States, will receive recommendations from the Vice President of the United States on what should be done about gun violence in America. Isn't the release of this information a historic newsworthy moment?
    I will support the President's efforts to prevent or reduce gun violence in America. All of the political leaders, in Utah, remain silent. Intimidated by the gun lobby. The Deseret News should be asking what their position is on this critical issue and what they support or recommend to reduce gun violence in the United States. All political leaders in Utah are tap dancing around this issue. Collectively, they could write a book entitled, "Six Ways To Cheat At Tap Dancing," By the Utah members of Congress.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 15, 2013 6:06 a.m.

    Tarantino is a disgrace but so are we, for falling for "sophisticated and witty" plots and dialogs as an excuse for paying for violence as entertainment. Just how far would we be willing to go for "witty" in any kind of form of entertainment? Is there really that much difference between the minds of Tarantino and Holmes or Lanza?

    Just like the NRA and gun control, we seem to want no curbs on our "freedoms".