BYU football: An updated overview of the 2013 signing class by position

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  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 5, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    I couldn't be less interested in who signs where when the players are right out of HS. Once you sign, show up on campus, make the team, play on Saturday, and then excel on Saturday, then and only then should I become interested. I cringe whenever I think of untried and untested young men holding pressers about their signing before taking a single snap.

  • milkshake St. George, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    No specialists! We lose the punter, kicker and long snapper and not a mention of it in this article. As a fan of local (S. Utah) athletes, I know they missed out on one of the top long snappers in the country, Kolton Donovan from Pine View. I heard he recently left on his mission after a very succesful year at SUU, which included an ALl American kicker and Punter? Hopefully Bronco can afford another year of missed PATs and field goals...or not kicking at all?

  • KJ1 Manassas, VA
    Jan. 24, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Ratings are little misleading - especially for BYU recruits - because the folks at the rating agencies obviously don't see all of these kids play. The rating system is often based on who is recruiting the player and how many scholarship offers he has. So, a kid may be a two-star recruit until he gets an offer from USC and Oregon and then they suddenly become a 4-star recruit. Typically that isn't a bad system because a player with offers from a lot of good schools is usually a pretty good player. But, if a student commits to BYU early or indicates early that BYU is his preference, then he may not be recruited or receive as many scholarship offers from other schools. The system (like Big 10 football rankings) is a bit circular. If Alabama is recruiting you, then you must be a 4- or 5-star prospect. Not surprising, all of Alabama's recruits are 4- or 5-star prospects.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    @54-10 - good comment. For the first time I gave you a like. Keep up the good work.

    For you star counters, where did USC finish with their star-studded recruiting classes? Wonder what Oregon's star count is. How about Boise State? I never hear of their star-studded recruiting classes.

    It's really about the program and the coaching.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "How many BCS bowls has BYU won?"

    How many National Championships and Heisman Trophies has Utah won?

    The Crystal Football National Championship Trophy and the Heisman Trophy, the most coveted trophies in college sports, sit in BYU's trophy case.

    Fiesta and Sugar bowl trophies sit in Utah's trophy case, nice, but not even close to comparable to the aforementioned trophies.

    Bottom-line: #1/#1 > #2/#4 or #4/#5

    As far as the current teams are concerned, Utah 2008 is no more relevant than BYU 1984, since none of the players from either of those teams is currently on the rosters of BYU and Utah.

  • Undefeated Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Today BYU's 2013 recruiting class is ranked 64out of 124 teams. So today they are not even in the top half of recruiting classes. Many are talking like it is undesirable to have 4 and 5 star recruits, just remember they can play with heart and desire also. They can also improve and become even better. Why is BYU's recruiting going down hill?

    Just saying....

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    How many BCS bowls has BYU won? I can't recall that number. CougfaninTexas is funny; he states that Utah fan's cherry pick stats to there advantage while that's exactly what he's doing in his post. How does the saying go about the Black Kettle?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 5:50 p.m.


    How many Top 25 finishes have Bronco and Kyle had?
    How many Top 15 finishes have Bronco and Kyle had?
    How many conference championships have Bronco and Kyle had?
    How many 10+ win seasons have Bronco and Kyle had?
    How many bowl games have Bronco and Kyle coached their teams to?
    How many losing seasons have Bronco and Kyle had?
    How many losses to 10-loss teams have Bronco and Kyle had?
    What are the overall records for Bronco and Kyle?

    You see, as much as Utah fans like to cherry pick individual highlights, the overall records are far more important.

    Jan. 23, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    " Obviously, being an independent will eventually hurt BYU as far as recruiting because most good players want to play on a team in a BCS league. Mendenhall must know that he won't be able to compete with BCS schools in recruiting top players, so he has taken the attitude that it doesn't matter. However, that will only play out for so long. If we don't attach ourselves to a BCS league soon, our recruiting will be very mediocre in the future."

    Coleman, joining a BCS conference will have absolutely no bearing on BYU's recruiting pool if the Honor Code is not changed as well...just sayin

    Jan. 23, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    @scenic view

    You still haven't answered the question: How did the Y do against the U this year? Or last year? Or the year before that? Or the last 10 years? Or in their overall history?

    It's amazing how your fan base side-steps that. All of your post is irrelevant to my simple questions.

    Nice try.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:13 p.m.


    BYU has won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 national individual awards, and had 6 players inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame, ALL as a member of a non-BcS conference.

    With just an average BYU offense in 2012, BYU would have beaten the #3 Fighting Irish on their home turf and played in a BCS bowl game.

    There's no need to panic and throw in the towel on Independence. If an offer from the Big 12 comes, of course BYU would accept, but otherwise, BYU can still be very successful as an Independent, especially with the playoffs soon to change the landscape of major college football.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:04 p.m.


    You failed to point out that five of BYU's opponents finished in the Top 25, that BYU barely lost to three of them, all on the road, and that BYU did beat one Top 25 team, Utah State, a team that beat Utah.

    I'll answer Swoop's question: "Who did U beat?"

    Obviously, the U only beat one decent team, which begs the question:

    "Why are Utah fans so intent on minimizing the only decent team Utah beat last season?

    BYU's schedule and record was good enough to earn BYU a #26 ranking in Sagarin's final rankings.

    Utah's schedule and record were only good enough to earn Utah a #61 ranking and a berth in the couch potato bowl.

    btw, in their entire history, BYU has finished in the AP Top 25 SEVENTEEN times. Utah only 5.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    Re: coleman
    What the Y has to do is beat those teams from "BCS" conferences. Then the recruits will come and it won't matter if they're in a conference or not. They just haven't been able to compete against the others.

    Jan. 23, 2013 11:47 a.m.


    You fail to point out that 5 of your 8 wins came against teams that were in ESPN's bottom 10 in all of college football (yes, the bottom 120-129 in all D-1 football). And, I'll answer your question about the U with a more relevant question: How did the Y do against the U last year? Or the year before? Or the year before? Or over the past 10 years? Or over their entire history?

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    “ he doesn’t care a whit about star rankings, national and local evaluations from the media, or even the amount or quality of offers assigned to high school and junior college prospects”.

    Yes, we understand that. He has proven to be a man of his word. (Ben Olson/Jake Heaps)
    too bad.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    "how can we get excited about the Cougs' commitments when very few will have any immediate impact. I don't think I'm alone when I say few of us will recall many of these kids 2/3 years down the road after their missions."

    It's called long-term satisfaction versus instant gratification.

    BYU's basketball team missed Tyler Haws while he was gone, but now he's back and we get to enjoy his court skills for the next three years.

    The same is true for the majority of BYU athletes and will be even more so with missionaries now leaving right after high school and not even appearing on a BYU roster for two or three years.

    In some ways it's like re-discovering a Christmas present stuffed in that back of a closet - we get to enjoy a practically new gift all over again.

    Austin Collie was such a gift. Tanner Mangum may be such a gift in a couple of years.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    I think everyone is missing the point about the star system in college football and the lack of heavily recruited players wanting to play for BYU. While it is true that BYU has had players that weren't heavily recruited that became stars, it is more the exception than the rule. What this tells me is that BYU is not the place top players want to go. Obviously, being an independent will eventually hurt BYU as far as recruiting because most good players want to play on a team in a BCS league. Mendenhall must know that he won't be able to compete with BCS schools in recruiting top players, so he has taken the attitude that it doesn't matter. However, that will only play out for so long. If we don't attach ourselves to a BCS league soon, our recruiting will be very mediocre in the future. As much as we want our teams to win, good players will stay away from BYU until we become part of a BCS league.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Jan. 23, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Re: byufan1993. I gotcha. I understand I'm at liberty whether or not to read an article. That's not my point. My point is how can we get excited about the Cougs' commitments when very few will have any immediate impact. I don't think I'm alone when I say few of us will recall many of these kids 2/3 years down the road after their missions.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Four and five star recruits are not the issue...the issue is whether or not Robert Anae has garnered enough insight from his tenure under Stoops and Rodreguez while down in Arizona to justify rehiring him... or more importantly to offset his play calling predictability. And why people...
    does BYU waste the talents of someone like Robbie Boscoe on the women's golf team!!!

    Jan. 23, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    "Utes Fan

    Salt Lake City, UT"

    Or they could improve their coaching. Boise generally doesn't recruit as well as either school but, I'd say nearly every team they've had for the past 10 years has been better than what BYU or Utah put forth.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    BYU's recruiting class is usually ranked somewhere between 40 - 60, and yet the football team is typically ranked in the Top 25 as long as Crowton is not the coach and Nelson is not the QB.

    With all the missionaries, it's really almost impossible to rank the recruiting class. A better reflection would be the incoming players, whether they are coming from HS or missions and exclude HS players who are headed directly on a mission.

    The star system has many limitations, including a bias against kids from smaller schools (like Hoffman). And a bias for overall good teams (take Kasen Williams off Jake Heaps high school team and Heaps would not have been 5 star).

    BYU's current TE crop were as highly rated as any in school history, yet they have not come close to performing like some other TEs. Quezada was higher ranked than Jamaal Williams, but I'd take Williams. And the list goes on.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    So. Cal Reader

    "Blah, blah, blah. It's so difficult to get too excited at all about Cougs recruits. Few of us will remember few of these kids until many of them return from their mission."

    Last I checked nobody was forcing you to read the article. So if it doesn't interest you, you don't have to click on it!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Blah, blah, blah. It's so difficult to get too excited at all about Cougs recruits. Few of us will remember few of these kids until many of them return from their mission.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    U grad (wishing he were a Y grad) pumping gas

    "Seven wins is pretty good even if is against teams with losing records...someone has to beat'm."

    Tell that to the Utes, who haven't beaten a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record since joining the conference.

    btw, BYU had 8 wins last season, including versus a Top 25 team, and a team that beat the Trojans in the Sun Bowl.

    Who did U beat in your bowl game?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    The signing class of 2013 is the graduation class of 2023 at BYU. That's way too far down the road to be making assessments of these fine, young men.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    I can see that its true that Bronco doesn't care for the Star rankings, he destroys those that are ranked.

    So much for "Band of Brothers"

    Next seasons T-shirt slogan for the walk on's; "A Star is Born"

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 22, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    I feel sorry fo Alabama. They still think they can win with highly rated recruits. What do they know? I agree with Bronco's strategy. If you can't sign them, and won't play them, and they won't field punts in practice,why recruit them. Seven wins is pretty good even if is against teams with losing records...someone has to beat'm.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    I think we can all see the impact that improved recruiting (3, 4, and 5 star recruits) in the fact that in the last 11 years, Utah is 8-11 against BYU with 3 consecutive wins. I do agree that the star rankings aren't everything. ESPN, Rivals, and Scout can't even agree on star rankings. However, you can measure speed, pass %, # of catches per targets, # tackles per game, etc. I didn't want to see or admit in the recruiting system with Utah beating big name schools in the BCS, but the last 2 years have shown that recruiting does matter and a team needs depth. BYU qualified for a bowl game because they play crappy teams for half the season.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Did the Y recruit any kickers? I hate those dreaded words by the announcer: "And now walks out the walk-on freshman kicker..." And then clank or shank...Great programs seem to invest a scholarship on a punter, snapper, holder and kicker and not just hope it all works out...

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:33 p.m.

    BYU has often found ways to make "average" recruits into superior ones with high output and moderate success. And seeing as they have high standards with non-football related things, I think that is about the best they can expect. Here's to a good year for all our football teams in the state!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 11, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    Proud Ute

    Coaching changes are commonplace.

    Despite your frantic and desperate wishes, BYU isn't the least bit worried that a bunch of recruits are going to bail because of a couple of coaching changes. As long as competent coaches are brought in the replace the departing coaches, the vast majority of recruits won't even care.

    If I were U, I'd be more worried about recruits bailing on the Utes because they aren't good enough to play in a bowl anymore.

  • Proud Ute ,
    Jan. 11, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Guess Brandon had to hurry and get this article out before the commits officially bailed on the coogs and he'd have to be even more creative on the spin.
    At least now he can still list them.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 11, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Well? Utah State could have beat Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconson, Southern Cal, and UCLA.

    How did their recruiting class compare to those? Chuckie Keeton vs Jake Heaps?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    The basic problems with the star system:

    - it doesn't account for players playing against different levels of competition in high school
    - it doesn't account for late bloomers or players that have already peaked
    - it doesn't account for the symbiotic relationship of a team that is greater than the sum of its parts
    - it doesn't account for playing in different systems that may highlight a player's strengths, while hiding a player's weaknesses
    - it doesn't account for better or weaker coaching at the high school or college level

    and most importantly

    - it doesn't account for an individual player's drive to maximize his potential

    In other words, there are so many variables and intangibles to consider, that it's impossible to predict an individual player's college football success based solely on the number of stars placed next to his name by some recruiting service.

    btw, USC, in a down recruiting year, has FIFTEEN 4-star recruits; Utah and BYU have ONE 4-star recruit each.

    Based on stars alone, Utah and BYU would NEVER have a chance of beating a team like USC.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Overall, and generally speaking, the star system is a pretty good indicator of a team's talent. There are plenty of individual exceptions. However, we all know the coaching staff is a big indicator of team success also. But, generally speaking, a team must improve its recruiting to compete, and when a team improves its recruiting, the star ranking of its players improves.

    Let's face it: BYU and Utah must improve their recruiting (which means the star rankings of their recruits will rise) or there will be more seasons ahead like 2012.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 11, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    Hmm? Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, and some others constantly get top ten recruiting.

    BYU beats Oklahoma, and loses by a point to Texas, while Utah beats Alabama. Boise State, and TCU wins without a top ten recruiting class.

    These star ratings are not accurate. Hmm? Wasn't Dennis Pitta a walk on?

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Jan. 11, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Just curious...are Van Noy, Hoffman, and Apo part Polynesians? Not that it matters but I still would like to know. They are all great kids and love watching them play.

    @ Ernest T. Bass,
    I long for the day you'll post a sincere comment about BYU. When will you realize you ain't fooling no one? Pity!

    It would be great if BYU can attract the top athletes of the nation but as Chris B always says, it's never going to happen and we know that. We'll just have to make do with the talent we get and hope to continue to compete on a high level.

    Go Cougars!

  • manutd San Diego, CA
    Jan. 10, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    hoffman **>>apo ***>>heaps *****

    other than VN number of stars havent really panned out at byu.

    just keep the polynesian pipeline going.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    Everyone will be totally awesome I just know it.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    One of the things I like about this recruiting class are the WRs. They aren't very ranked very high in terms of "star power" but they are more athletic than many of the typical past BYU receivers. Talon Shumway, Tanner Shipley, and Michael Davis all run 4.5s. I also like Inoke Lotulelei, a smaller guy who could play slot receiver. Coach Cahoon has the chance to coach these guys up into very productive targets.

    The star ranking system is really very interesting. We've seen examples of guys with lots of stars (Jake Heaps) who don't pan out, but also guys with lots of stars (Kyle Van Noy) who live up to the hype.

    The biggest difference I see between the scholarship/star players and walk-ons is:

    Star players we've heard of, and coaches of D-1 program saw their talents and saw fit to offer them scholarships.

    Walk-ons are hit or miss because we don't know about them.

    One walk-on I'm excited to see in the coming years is Bryan Engstrom from Alta, a running back from Alta who alledgedly runs a 4.4 and looks good on film. We'll just see.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    I really understand Bronco's apathy toward the star system. Someone earlier mentioned 5-stars that didn't pan out with Ofa Mohetau and Jake Heaps. Let throw Ben Olson in as well. Then we have people with zero stars that walked on like Dennis Pitta and Ziggy Ansah. Cody Hoffman was recruited but only by BYU and Sacramento State.

    I read an article last week (, maybe) that analyzed the 5-stars from 2008 as to how they panned out. A couple have already made a mark in the NFL, some are expected to be major players this year because they redshirted once, and about half of them got grades ranging from C to F for their performance so far. Since success in football depends on a good mixture of intelligence, heart, and physical skill or athleticism, it is very difficult to predict how a recruit will do. Chad Lewis walked on at BYU, went as an undrafted free agent to the NFL and became all-pro. Matt Leihnert won the Heisman and barely stays in the league.

    Let's just wait to see how it all shakes out.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 10, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    What? A kicker is not on the list? If we don't have a guy who can put it through the uprights on occasion in the 2013 Class, I would consider it a failure.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    An article like this is very incomplete without also covering which of these recruits will be going on missions first, and naming the recruits that will be returning from missions.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Draper, UT
    I wish the young men in the 2013 signing class well. But IMO there will be a lot of wound-licking in Provo by the end of the 2013 football season.
    Perhaps the Utes could give them lessons. They've had the entire bowl(less) season to practice...

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Jan. 10, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    Hey B,


  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 10, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Lets see, Apo was a star, Hoffman came in under the radar. Who do you want runnin your routes and catchin your passes?

    Just sayin...

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    I wish the young men in the 2013 signing class well. But IMO there will be a lot of wound-licking in Provo by the end of the 2013 football season. And it will be surprising if BYU is not looking for a new head coach.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Currently the Y's recruiting class is rated 55th. That is with their two highest rated recruits included yet both appear questionable - at best. Even with their inclusion there are 31 teams whose class is rated higher in star rating but lowere because of the number of recruits. No telling how low the current class with be evaluated.... but I know this means nothing to the coach or fans(?)!

  • Todd Christiansen's Thesaurus Ogden, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Looking forward to next season, hope its a great one. Personally, I get more excited about "diamonds in the rough" than a four or five start recruit; I've seen at least two examples of high profile recruits (*****) at BYU amount to little. Ofa Moheatu/Jake Heaps. I'm sure they're many more examples.

    Independence is working out fine, BYU is still getting fine recruits and I look forward to seeing many of them on the field in 3-4 more years.

    Mr. B, for kicks, why don't you give us the number of 5, 4 and 3-star recruits joing the utes next year, thay way we know where to set expectations for their season.

    Finally, why are you never the "first poster" on ute articles? Surely, you're not that obssessed with the Cougars!

  • Springville, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    @Chris B

    I think the names you're looking for are Dennis Pitta...and Austin Collie...and Vic So'oto...and Bryan Kehl...

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Before anyone goes off on an irrelevant tangent, remember that these recruits are teenage men who have never played a down of college football in their lives. Any attempts to judge their future collegiate ability through a 5 star rating system is interesting at best and severly flawed at the least.

    In other words, everyone should settle down until the young men actually play in a few collegiate games.

  • BrettJones Houston, TX
    Jan. 10, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    Please, please, please sign a kicker!

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Mendenhall was asked in a cable interview how he could win with the Honor Code. His reply was that he won because of the Honor Code. Game, set, match.