Utah GOP may end up being 'dominated by radicals,' Hatch warns

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  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    Note to Bomar:

    Market triumphalism went out the window as a failed economic philosophy in 2007-2008, just before the Great Republican Amnesia set in. And where did I say that the government needed to step in to "engineer" success? That's your vision of what you think rational people think. As for hardworking people being able to succeed in today's economy, most of the hardworking people in America have been getting a smaller and smaller piece of the pie for the past 30 years. See note on market triumphalism above.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 10, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    "Is it not rather strange that those who have power feel they know what's best for the Republican Party? The Republican Party does not represent Republican's anymore. I think it is time for Conservative Republican's to jump ship."

    I agree... I wish all the hard core conservatives would jump ship. I want a party that takes the people funds as an almost sacred trust... but also doesn't use race or economic status as a wedge issue, a party that could get over Roe V. Wade and could get to worrying more about keeping girls from getting pregnant in the first place, and that equally understood that ones persons rights doesn't trump another's right - that there can be two right answers some ties. I absolutely don't want a Republican party that has a litmus test.

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    Jan. 10, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Many comments are pillorying Hatch on the grounds that if he voted to avoid the fiscal cliff, then he clearly doesn't care about the deficit, fiscal responsibility, is a RINO, etc. Has it occurred to you that one can be concerned about federal spending, but believe that going over the cliff (which would likely send the fragile US and global economies into a nosedive) was NOT the solution to the problem? Is it possible that the vast majority of the country agrees that the debt is a crisis, but not yours isn't the answer?

    It's precisely this attitude of "If you don't agree with my solution, you're the enemy!" that's the hallmark of radicalism. You can bleat all you want about returning the vision of the Founding Fathers to solve our country's problems, but a consistent reason they succeeded in their enterprise was understooding the art of compromise.

    If you aren't willing to do that, if you simply shout "Let it burn!" (as another poster put it nicely) and insist on having all or nothing...then don't give me sanctiminious rhetoric about the true meaning of the Consitution or Republicanism.

  • L Central, Utah
    Jan. 10, 2013 1:59 a.m.

    My company does business in most states and Utah is believed to be radical and I use a Colorado mailing address to avoid having to defend that.

    By my thoughts neither party has all the answers and I voted on who I felt could best represent me (and that did include some frm each party.) I would have volted for a 3rd party canidate if I had thought there was a viable one. I think with the help of both major parties, that may become a possibility.

    Somehow we need to learn to work together and recognize that the US governme, the congress nor others should represent only one view because that is just not the makeup of our country. Yes we need to do some things to keep it the greatesr country in the worlk but carrying pitchforks around just to poke someone with different ideas doesn't match up with my ideas on how to do it.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    What does Hatch mean by "may" be dominated by radicals? The GOP in Utah is already dominated by radicals, especially in the Utah County area.

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:33 p.m.

    You mean radicals who advocate cutting spending money we don't have? You mean Orrin, radicals who want a fiscally sound government? You mean radicals that want to limit the size of government and limit government intrusion into our lives?

    If those are the radicals Orrin refers to then I strongly disagree with and remember how I voted against him in 2012 and in 2006.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    We need a few more "radicals" in politics--people who won't stand by while the nation chalks up over $16,000,000,000,000 in official Federal deficit, people who will stand up and and insist on a balanced budget amendment, people who believe that government should serve the people and be controlled by the people rather than the other way around, people who don't believe that politics should be a career for an elected aristocracy, etc. Yeah, a few more radicals to make the country actually start working again, instead of just going with the flow and riding the gravy train with all the other typical politicians.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    Utah republicon voters should continue to elect hatch.

    Eventually he will get around to whatever it is you want him to be...

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    as opposed to you, Senator Hatch; a big spending fiscal liberal that has voted for $15 trillion of excess spending during your time in the Senate. Basically you are telling Utahn's we need to keep spending our grandchildren and great grandchildrens money. How selfish of you Senator Hatch.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    I'm not involved in the Republican Party here, so for those of you bellowing to the high heavens about how Hatch is a RINO, a carpetbagger, a career politician, and turncoat, etc., would you please explain to me how you have kept him in office for OVER THREE DECADES? Democrats in the state have been pointing out the hypocrisy of his lifetime Senate career for years, and now you finally have a problem with it.

    You have no one to blame but yourselves.

    And you'd hate Ronald Reagan if he showed up today, so I hope this brave new breed of Republican has found another patron saint they might actually recognize.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    SG in SLC,

    Wonderful list! Cracked me up.

    "If you disagree with Democrats or liberal policies, you are a right wing extreamist."

    Nope, not funny. Too predictable, paints yourself as too much of a victim. Let me correct it for you, although mine isn't very funny either:

    "If you disagree with Democrats but are too bullheaded, arrogant, and blind to realize that government should be run by compromise and intelligent debate, you might be a right-wing extremist".

    Don't worry, there are liberal Democrats who fit that description, too.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    So Orrin Hatch believes all who do not think just like he does are radical.

    How extremely liberal of him.

    He apparently also puts his party first above Utah and the country.

    No wonder the left loves him.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    Then election is over and the real Hatch is back. I wish he would just go sit with the Dems.

  • Grandma Char Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    To those who think Orrin Hatch was talking about extremists who think a woman's body should be able to prevent a pregnancy after a rape. You are dead wrong!

    Orrin Hatch hates the tea party. If you do not care for the tea party, congratulation, you have fallen for the lies and deception of the Obama administration and their media who want you to think the tea party is some radical nut group. It just isn't true. They want smaller government inspired by the constitution (not precedent). Please, Utah, WAKE UP! You should never have sent Hatch back to the Senate. He helped cause the problems we now have....he can't be expected to help fix them.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    at RedShirt 3:38 p.m. Jan. 9, 2013

    "Actually, you and your ilk that have joined the Republican party and keep insisting they nominate "moderates" are the ones that are the radical extremists. The Republicans need to stop trying to be like your ilk to appear moderate."

    Moderates are radical & extreme? How Orwellian, ironic, oxymoronical, irrational, illogical, & ridiculous!

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    The "radicals" Orrin was referring to were the same teavangelicals he cozied up to to get reelected.

    @ John Charity Spring

    Oh, goody. Another *reds are under the beds* rant. Not even Hillary beat the whole right wing conspiracy drum as loud and long as JCS has w/ his usual song and dance.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    The Utah GOP is already dominated by radicals. You have to look no further than the domination exercised by the Eagle Forum and similar organizations to prove that fact.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    To Wanda B. Rich,

    A "Free Market Economy" is just that. It allows people who work hard, come up with innovative ideas, inventions or a unique business to be successful. It also allows layabouts, unmotivated citizens and those who are not willing to pay the price of success to be less successful.

    When the government steps in to engineer success, everyone suffers financially, because confiscatory taxes and regulations prevent the opportunity for success. And this is where we are today, creeping into Socialism.

    There have been programs to help the truly needy for a long time, but when you have 50 million on Food Stamps and a President who wants to spread the wealth around, we get the economy that we have today.

  • CVgal Smithfield, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Mr. Bomar, you surely do know a lot about Senator Hatch and what he is doing once he's retired. He has been in the state helping people here at least once a month and sometimes two or three times a month. And, I didn't know you were in the know about where he is going to reside when his term is through. You have great mental telepathy!

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:29 p.m.


    I didn't say (and don't believe) that those who disagree with Democrats or liberal policies are Right-Wing Extremists. Democrats and liberals don't have all the answers (far from it); neither do Republicans and conservatives (again, far from it). I believe that civil, substantive discussion and debate are valuable, and usually lead to the best outcomes. However, I don't have much patience for dogma, or for those who promote a "let it burn" agenda to try to ensure that the opposition party President is a one-term President.

    And . . . maybe you just reinforced my previous post.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    Is it not rather strange that those who have power feel they know what's best for the Republican Party? The Republican Party does not represent Republican's anymore. I think it is time for Conservative Republican's to jump ship. Not one more dime of mine is going to the Republican Party. They do not represent me nor my family. I feel dirty being associated with them. Time to start looking elsewhere. Libertarian maybe? Democrat? Not Republican. They are to wishy washy. Exactly what are Wrights and Hatch's values? Which way will they swing next election?

  • Bob Pomeroy Bisbee, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    It is a national tragedy that the GOP has been unable to withstand a hostile takeover.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    For those of you who are defending Uncle Orrin, shame on you. Orrin campaigned as a conservative, which he has never been, and at the first opportunity, his vote contradicts that. For those of you that think that vote only restored the "Bush tax cuts", you best read the bill because Orrin did not. Orrin, like Bennett, loves big spending and Big Government and then when up for re-election, becomes a chameleon.

    Uncle Orrin is a carpetbagger, having spent little time in the state and will not return upon leaving the senate. If able, just like Bennett, he will become a lobbyist. Then he can truly reach out to all of those across the aisle and really make the big dollars and be properly rewarded for his "life of service".

  • Grandma Char Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Wow, I sure hope Orrin is right! We should have kicked him out of office when we had the chance...

    Let's look at this. He was the only Utah representative in Washington to voted to raise taxes on small businesses. The other four must have known something he didn't.

    I'll support a true Constitution loving person any day of the week. Orrin isn't one of them!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    To "SG in SLC" I want to add one more.

    If you disagree with Democrats or liberal policies, you are a right wing extreamist.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy . . .

    * Did you just label Senator Hatch a "RINO"? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Do you absolutely KNOW that Jon Huntsman Jr. is a RINO? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Do you think that political litmus tests and monolithic ideological purity are good things? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Did you pillory Senator Hatch over his vote on the fiscal cliff bill? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Do you think that going over the fiscal cliff would've been a good thing because sequestration would have reined in big government spending? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Do you think that shutting down government via the debt ceiling would be a good thing for the same reason? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Do you think that individual welfare is shameful, but corporate welfare(subsidy) is okay? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    * Do you reject biological darwinism, but regularly promote economic darwinism? . . . then maybe you're a Right-Wing Extremist.

    [*Tried* to use the signature "If you / you might be", but it was rejected for "copyright infringement"]

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    It MAY end up being dominated by radicals?

  • gottscheer Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    It is interesting that Hatch uses the word Radical. Remember the Founding Fathers were called Radicals. Hatch has a terrible record on conservative issues. Hatch used to be a champion for conservative issues, but his friendship with Kennedy has had him championing liberal causes. He is no expert on Radicals. The real radicals are those men and women who have taken us away from our founding principles and the Constitution. The last 120 years of America have seen mostly Prsident's who had more interest in socialistic/communist principles and ignored the Constitution completely. It has been a slow road to ruin and Obama has just about got us to the point of no return. God help us all!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" Romney was a step in the right direction. He is exactly what I thought he was. Since you do not have the ability to read minds, there is no way you know what I think of Romney.

    Actually, you and your ilk that have joined the Republican party and keep insisting they nominate "moderates" are the ones that are the radical extremists. The Republicans need to stop trying to be like your ilk to appear moderate.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Mr. Hatch--you bought the materials for, designed, constructed, ordered linens for and MADE this sad looking bed. And you WILL sleep in it. The fact that nobody but weird Uncle Ray and boring Aunt Wanda want to join you for a sleepover is no ones fault but your own. Enjoy the "ahem"--slumber party. ZZZzzzzz.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Allright, the tea party radicals get what they call for from both sides. The tea party's call to not pay our incurred debt to get "leverage" should end the party's effectiveness forever.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    ...and the last election where it was a slug fest and it took the non-radicals to nominate somebody who the Progressives didn't like.

    1:08 p.m. Jan. 9, 2013


    Mitt Romney was NOT the conservative you like to think he was,
    He was a Northeastern, Rockafeller, Blue Dog, RINO Republican -- and everybody knew it.

    Besides -- You're one to be talking smack about Hatch.
    You voted for him, didn't you?

    FYI - You, Mike Richards, Voice of Reason, Mountaman, wrz, jsf, L White, ect....
    You are the radical extremeists Senator Hatch was talking about.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    Hatch is a sell out.
    Has been for years.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    Mr. Hatch: You need look no further than your own mirror to see where America's problems lie! Just look what has happened on your "watch". Shame on you and the rest of our "representatives"!

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Too late. Moderates like Hatch are a dying breed. Unfortunately.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    The inference here is that Dan Liljenquist is a radical, and that for Senator Hatch to join the rest of the Utah delegation in opposing a really dumb bill that only kicked the can down the road would represent radical thinking. I'd like to ask the august Senator why he considers cutting spending, reforming entitlements and righting our seriously listing fiscal ship radical thoughts.

    The idea of 6 more years of this wrong-headed guy scares me to death!

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    I used to be a Republican, but in recent years the party has gone so far to the right and adopted so many irrational positions that I could no longer, in good conscience, be a member. I am now unaffiliated and hope for more moderation from both parties.

    As for fiscal matters, what the extremists are now calling fiscal conservativism is really just another name for irresponsible devotion to creating an economy in which all the wealth accumulates at the top. Such an economy is unsustainable. What I find particularly odd is that I don't hear "fiscal conservatives" claiming that economic inequality is good (no one does). But all their policies promote it as if it were the only true economic gospel. Pathetic.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    Radicals are those who never pause to consider that they may be wrong. Radicals are those who refuse to compromise.

    Say NO to BO wrote: "Shall we strive for consensus and compromise on gay marriage? Abortion? Deficit spending? The definition of illegal alien? One man's consensus is another man's sell-out."

    The LDS Church has agreed to not oppose "civil unions" for gay couples. Did the Church sell out? The LDS Church recognizes that there are justified abortions. Did the Church sell out? The Great Depression and WWII necessitated deficit spending. Did FDR sell out? Or should he have allowed Americans to starve and fought the Nazis with broomsticks? Young couples buying homes almost always borrow money (deficit spending). Are these young Americans selling out? And you are quibbling over the definition of "illegal alien?" Until convicted in a court of law, the word "illegal" doesn't apply to anyone in America, and aliens are from outerspace...

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    Shall we strive for consensus and compromise on gay marriage? Abortion? Deficit spending? The definition of illegal alien? One man's consensus is another man's sell-out.

  • LiberalRepub Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Orrin, you promised us it was your and Utah's time to lead. Lets see what you can really do.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Hatch has had almost 40 yrs. to send out his press releases, and issue goofy statements about "reaching across the aisle". Utah media has pretty much bowed before him.

    HE'S one of the big reasons we, as a country, are in the mess we're in. Grandma and grandpa who ALWAYS vote the "R" straight ticket got him elected. Probably a few demos. also voted for him knowing full well that Howell woulnd't be elected.

    He's NOT a conservative, he's a RINO.

    Conservatives don't claim him. Maybe he should just start caucusing with the Demos. where he feels more at home.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    I agree with Hatch, except I think he is wrong in thinking that the Republican Party may end up dominated by radicals. The Republican party is dominated by Progressive Radicals. The Progressives in the Republican party gave us George Bush, John McCain, and the last election where it was a slug fest and it took the non-radicals to nominate somebody who the Progressives didn't like.

  • WhyNotThink North, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    It’s interesting to note how many politicians (Democrats and Republicans) that were willing to throw the majority of Americans under the bus during the fiscal crises debate. Did they think it would be a good thing for the people by instantly trashing the economy? Most would say no. But their ideologies were more important than the welfare of the American people.

    One party extremist group had a plan that would reduce the deficit spending by 200 billion dollars a year the other party extremist group had a plan that would reduce the deficit by 180 billion a year. Both plans fell short by 80%. Yet they were willing to throw you and me under the bus to defend their plan which fixed nothing.

    Thank heavens for cooler heads in the Senate that prevailed over the extremist that would rather destroy our economy than give a little ground on ideology.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    @Say NO to BO
    My personal bent is toward *moderation in all things*. I think one can be a staunch conservative republican without being a radical or fanatic. One can be firm and srong without being an extremist. I wouldn't feel too good about taking on the label, radical. Look it up in the dictionary. Just my opinion.

    My impression is that radical politicians do not seek for consensus as often as do most conservatives. But I say there is a GREAT need for consensus . . . . WITHIN our own party! As conservatives and Tea Partiers argue with each other, the Democrats chuckle with a certain delight, knowing that we'll bury ourselves if we don't get this figured out. Let's figure out what we all believe as republicans and how to achieve it, and then take on the radicals, extremists, and fanatics on the other side of the aisle who seem to be in charge these days.

    @Shaun McC
    Although I would not want to be labeled an *extremist* myself, I appreciate your tone and the points you make. They caused me to reflect a bit on my own stance.

  • all hands on deck Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    A radical element is one who does not agree with you. Thomas Wright wants to pass a bill making sexual orientation part of a protected group. Is that radical for Republicans? Senator Hatch does not vote to cut spending. He is the only one who votes FOR the fiscal debacle. His actions speak so loud we can't hear what he says. Is he now a radical element? the Democratic Party Chair, Dubakis is happy to have the "old Senator back." What is radical? Anyone who does not agree with you is labeled, "Radical." Get used to it. It will come in greater waves to anyone who does not agree with whomever is being interviewed.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    HA. john Charity Spring has identified the radical right, and somehow he isn't in it. Thats good.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Hatch is Hatch. He does not change color because of his last term in congress. He is and has been part of the big spending probkem which has got us into all this trouble. Democrats actually like him for the most part and he is no threat to the Obama regime.

    When did he last speak up to save the country from awful socialism. I am a retired Senior and I am one of many who think spending is all out of control. I am also NOT RICH. I am worried about our children, grtandchildren, and great grandchildren dealing the debt we are piling onto them.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Too late, orrin!

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Extremism is voting for impractical options. For example, voting against a debt limit increase without plan to immediately balance the budget. Voting to close the borders without a guest worker program. Claiming to be a fiscal conservative, but opting to immediately deport illegal immigrants regardless of cost. Arming teachers and expecting them to protect students with consideration of collateral damage. Taking any extreme step without regard to consequence. Those are the people who want to take over.

    There are good people who adhere to conservative principles but know that their actions have consequence, good and bad. These are the people we need in control of our party.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Someone said Hatch needs to man-up.

    You know, it takes no courage, not moral fibre, not strength of charector for just go along with what everyone else is doing. In fact, the real evidence of manning up is to be willing to break with what is popular, and to vote your beliefs.

    This bullying into complaince bit the right has going on.... it shows very little character. If someone votes with their block > 90% of the time, they are a complete waste of time. They should proxy over their votes to who ever is the decider for the group, and go home. The idea that you have to become a spinless rubber stamp to play... shows how weak some groups have become to not be able to accept individual thinking.

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    I agree with Hatch. As a Republican, I'm getting sick of hearing members of my party preaching half-baked Libertarian ideas. It's not unusual to find these people complaining constantly about spending while they support non-stop foreign wars (Iraq cost between 1.5 and 3 trillion dollars). Many have children who use WIC and Medicaid. And, let's not forget, about 1 out of every 3 dollars spent by the federal government goes to Social Security and Medicare. Are we going to cut grandma off cold? What we are doing is not sustainable in the long term. However, we need to start having adult conversations about the problem. Demonizing every person and politician who doesn't want to completely abolish the government is "extreme" and crazy.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Look to Utah government to see the true colors of the Republican Party: Gerrymandering elections, failure to pass any ethics laws. Attempts to hamper GRAMMA disclosure. Closed public meetings. Questionable campaign donations to our republican governor. Legislators passing bills unchallenged; to which they directly benefit financially. Could go on and on. It is never good for one party to have this kind of power.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Hatch is blind to the fact that it is his "radical" actions in Washington that have helped put us in the fiscal crisis we are currently in. Does Medicare part D ring a bell Hatch? It's completely unfunded and yet he claims it a success because it takes a little less from our future generations then previously thought. If that is not a radically insane way of thinking I don't know what is.

  • David King Layton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    The Deseret News often prints editorials calling for greater civlity in the political process, so I must ask this question: Does giving Senator Hatch the platform to label many of his fellow Utahns as radicals without ever asking him what makes a radical promote that civility, or make it more difficult? Read the comments. Do you see bridges of understanding being built? Do you see people coming together on common ground? I don't. All I see is Senator Hatch calling names, and the Deseret News more than willing to publish his mini-rant against radicals without ever even asking him who exactly he is talking about. Deseret News, if you want more civility, set the example. Don't print pieces like this that do no more than call names.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    The "old Hatch" is back, indeed. (No pun intended!)

    The blinders have slipped back in place, and his beltway views of the world have prevailed, and his desire to get along with the left is back in place.

    Having voted us into bankruptcy in his years, decades (is it a century yet?) of "service" in Washington he refuses to admit that what has been done is wrong, and has doomed our children to lives of poverty and stifling taxation to pay for what Hatch and his "good friends" have squandered pandering for votes.

    He now calls those who espouse the values he expressed when he first ran, and repeated ("with purpose of evasion or mental reservation"?) during his latest campaign as somehow being radical.

    Many Utahns saw Hatch for what he really was, and tried to replace him with an actual conservative, but $12 million in advertising, plus untold millions in free "franked" stuff posing as official information fooled enough people to get him elected.

    We did the right thing with Bob Bennett, but failed to remove Hatch. We must try harder and ensure that no one ever ends up with lifetime, or hereditary, Congressional seats again.

    Sorry, kids.

  • Cowboy Joe Encampment, WY
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    Utah is full of the most fiscally consersvative citizens. Just look at the number of bankruptcies and foreclosures in Utah. Always leading the nation or close to it. Look at all of the fancy cars and clothes of the people of Zion.

    Then they file bankruptcy or foreclose on their house and do it all again.

    Need to keep up with the brother and sister jones'

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    The problem with radicals isn't their stance, but the inability to form consensus. Also Extreme positions on my positions, enable my opposition the benefit of moderation and the appearance of sensibility, regardless of how wrong it may be.

    A better, more reasoned approach would be to look for ways to compromise and build consensus and make changes that over time steer the ship in the right direction. Unfortunately the further we diverge from our ideals, the more likely we are to endorse extremists who do nothing more than stonewall, attack, criticise, make enemies where there were possible allies, and annoy everyone.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Wow. At long, long last, something sensible has come Orrin Hatch.

    I got big kick out of reading what one of Utah's leading right wing radicals, David Kirkham, had to say.

    About the only thing I'd have to disagree with is that Utah's GOP is in danger of "becoming" full of extremists. It already has been for a long time.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Hatch knows better than to blame "radicals" for our problems. He has sufficient knowledge about his heritage to know about the mockers; those who point fingers at the FEW who try to do the right thing for the right reason. That is part of his history. He wants us to believe that he believes the principles found in the book that tells of the mockers and the finger pointers, but he joins them; he points his finger; he blames those that stand for the principles upon which America is founded; he blames those that are sons and daughters of those who left the United States to seek refuge from governments that oppressed, that allowed their wives and daughters to be raped, that allowed their homes and barns to be burned, that allowed their men to be murdered. He tells us that Washington is the answer. In my view, Washington is the seat of that large building and the house where those who mock and point fingers teach others to mock and point fingers.

    How sad that one of us has become one of them.

  • Elles Lehi, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Um...Jim Matheson voted against the fiscal cliff bill along with all our other Congressmen and Senator- everyone except Hatch. Does that make Jim Matheson a right-wing radical too?

    Man up Hatch. You're the only one from Utah who caved. Quite trying to draw attention away from your actions by calling other people names.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Watchman - do you really only see the world in two distinct colors?

    Mohokat - so you only have friends that are devout conservatives? Really? That is kind of sad.

    Utah Voter - no, its Hatch's opinion, based on his experience. The problem with that is what again.

    This is the very problem society is going through. There is a group of Americans who feels that their way is the only way, and that all others just aren't as sharp, as educated, as hard working..... or as patriotic. From the very first days of this nation, there never was political purity. Even the founding fathers disagreed, sometime violently with each other. It has only been with the rise of this NeoCon group that feels a purge of the unsure - as they define purity - is necessary. It is a very slippery slope.... to a point where getting alone just isn't possible.

    There is nothing in my faith that justifies this kind of hatred of another person... nothing. The self justification of such attitudes is mind bending at times.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Nice try guys.

    No, Orrin is not talking about those that are simply fiscally conservative.

    Orrin is talking about those who think that a womans body can prevent pregnancy during a rape.
    Or that think that a fetus should have personhood rights.
    He is talking about those who think Obama is not a US citizen.
    And those who vote to spend money and then balk about paying the bills.

    Or those who want to shut down the FDA, the EPA and uh, cant remember the third.
    And maybe those that want any type and number of weapons to hold off the government.

    Nope. People don't equate fiscal conservatism with right wing radicalism. If only it were that simple...

    Right JCS?

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    This is a surprisingly and disappointingly biased article by an established Deseret News political writer. I recognize it's tough to remain objective, but really: "Hatch, the only member of Utah’s congressional delegation who voted to reverse the so-called “fiscal cliff,” said he understands why his colleagues and others in the House and the Senate opposed the deal that restored tax cuts for most Americans."

    So, that's supposed to be an objective summary of what the rest of our entire Utah Congressional delegation did? Each Congressman and Senator did nothing more than "oppose" a "deal that restored tax cuts for most Americans". Note that wasn't attributed to Senator Hatch. That was allegedly a simple fact setting the context for his comments.

    I'd love to hear Senator Lee, Congressman Chaffetz, or any of the rest of the delegation respond to such accusations. If the reporter wants to write an "op-ed" then, of course, that's her right. But I don't understand the disrespect and one-sided reporting when it's supposed to be a "news" feature and the other participants are easily interviewable and available for comment.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Much akin to Sen. Bennett. On your way out bad mouth those who supported you. Sen.Hatch much of what is wrong with the Country has matured on your watch. You sir have been part of the problem. Maybe you were a little bit to close to Teddy Kennedy you know your friend.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    The 'radicals' that are going to kill the GOP are those that are called RINOS (Republican in name only) that probably should be Dems. They are the ones that move some of the party away from the principles reflected in the platform and toward more liberal principles.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Call me a rino or whatever, I miss Bob Bennett. Hatch and Bennett got a lot more done for Utah

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    "A "radical" is someone who actually believes in the principles of the party platform and seeks to implement them into public policy. "

    Perhaps.... or that could be someone who just isn't realistic about the world... and somehow is under the delusion that there is some kind of pure party platform that all must conform to. Even Chaney, one of the most dogged conservatives made exceptions for his daughter who wasn't living the life style prescribed by orthodox conservative dogma. Issues for an Ohio Republican are different than for a Florida Republican or Idaho Republican.

    A "radical" is someone who thinks only their interpretation is a possible interpretation.... and that all others are... well... unsure and therefor RINOS. Unfortunately the party is plum full of self described keepers of the faith casting away those who don't follow party theology. It is an unsustainable position.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Uncle Orrin joined the Tea Party to get re-elected, and now he's making it perfectly clear that he was not sincere. Those of us who are "radical" and "extreme" suspected this was the case, and tried to elect a conservative instead of a RINO, but without success. Isn't it ironic that Matheson is to the right of Hatch?

  • ShaunMcC La Verkin, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:43 a.m.

    I am one of those extremists that Hatch warns about. I am extremely upset with politicians who care more about their party and re-election than the good of their country. I am extremely upset with politicians that tax us unnecessarily and then spend 40% more than we take from the taxpayers, burdening our children with debt that will relegate us to servants of the government instead of its masters. I am extremely upset with a President that thinks it's okay to issue executive orders with the force of law when he can't get his way by strong-arming or persuading congress to pass the laws he wants, but even more extremely upset with Senators and Representatives who won't stand up to him and tell him "No! You can't do that." I wish that we would get informed enough to be "extreme". If you don't think many of the founding fathers were considered "extreme" in their time, you haven't read the history. If you like the road we are on, keep voting for people like Hatch who continues to vote to spend more, raise the debt limit and allow the abuse of power in Washington.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 6:14 a.m.


    or already is?

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    In Washington DC lingo anyone who believes in balanced budgets is a radical. Evidenced by the fact that almost every candidate in America, both Republican and Democrat campaigns on balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility, then when they get to DC to vote for debt and give-aways.

    The vast majority of Americans want balanced budgets. Poll after poll shows that 60-80 percent worry about the debt, etc. People like Hatch campaign on these issues, get elected, go to DC and blow through my yet unborn grandkids savings accounts. The fiscal cliff Hatch supported include Wall Street style handouts to wind farmers, Hollywood executives, corporate farmers, etc, etc, etc and I am a radical?!

    Hatch needs to resign!

    [Note: I know, he just won an election. Campaigning on balanced budgets no less. Wins, goes to DC and votes for more of the same though I've spoke twice now. Sheesh!]

  • BYU Blue Ferron, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:40 a.m.

    Hatch gets it. Thank you, fellow Republican.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:31 a.m.

    Where have you been, Orrin? And the thing is, you were a major enabler.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:25 a.m.

    It is interesting that the definition of a radical in Senator Hatch's mind is never articulated in the article. I do know that for me as someone who has recently returned to Utah after having lived elsewhere, the dogmatic nature of Utah Valley Republicans pushes me and many of my colleagues and friends towards becoming Democrats.

    I also find interesting the unwritten message here which is that Senator Hatch and his congressional colleagues will basically bow to any pressure in order to get reelected. Once in office, they continue to bow to such pressure unless it is their last term. I think that is a shame.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    As a moderate Democrat, it's nice to have the old Hatch back. I missed him. I hope he will be more open to the next U.S. Supreme Court nominee like he was before the last two appointments.

  • On the other hand Riverdale, MD
    Jan. 8, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    No one sees himself or herself as an extremist.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    So now fiscal conservatives are "radicals" and not part of the main stream Republican party? No wonder why our nation is headed off a fiscal cliff. If not today, then sometime in the near future if people don't listen to these "radicals" and start to reduce the burden of public debt this nation suffers.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    A "radical" is someone who actually believes in the principles of the party platform and seeks to implement them into public policy. I can see why Hatch would take issue with such individuals.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    Hatch is correct that political extremism poses a huge threat to the Republican Party. If this extremism is not cut out like the cancer it is, the body will die.

    The vast majority are moderates at heart. They are clearly wise to be wary of the left wing extremism that is destroying this Country. However, the solution to ending left wing domination is not to be found in using extremism to combat extremism.

    The Founding Fathers fought the Revolutionary War in order to forever banish extremism from this Continent. Do not dishonor their memory and their sacrifice by willingly allowing extremism to return.