Robert J. Samuelson: If we can't kill farm subsidies, what can we kill?

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  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    More welfare reform is needed, I just saw a welfare queen farmer driving a $50,000 truck.

    We won't go without food if we cut off subsidies. Food will represent more of the true cost of production. It would probably become more expensive but we do have an obesity problem don't we?

    What would be cut off from subsidies first should be inedible corn used for feed-stock and corn sugar.

    And the change should be slow over a decade so farmers don't starve their cattle and try to get their handouts back by blackmail.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 4:21 p.m.


    When I say business, I mean all business. Every organization that handles money for others is a business. Churches, Charities, profit or non profit, all those you listed and every other.

    We might exempt small private government units like the neighborhood boat club and housing authorities and even single persons like independent plumbers. But for certain we have to include every commercial entity that has a significant size.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 8, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    This country can do without a lot of things... a reliable food source isn't one of them. We could even survive $10 a gallon of gas prices - not that I want them - but we would survive and adjust. Food.... not so much. Stability in the basic feeds is what keeps the prices of many of the other food sources prices in check. Grain, Corn and the like - if we didn't have price stability there - every trip to the grocery store would be an adrenalin rush.

    Way overly simplistic thinking going on.

    JoeCapitalist... so on green Energy - you are willing to let our country become a laggard in this areas - let China and Germany dominate that technology? We are willing to pass on the next tech boom because ..... why? With thinking like that, there would be no Silicon Valley, Redmond Washington, or Triangle Research Park. In my state, where Durham is a blip on the map, over 40% of our states new jobs are being created in this cities boarders... led by companies like Cree.

    Penny wise - pound foolish I would say is what your plan is.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 8, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    You go LDS liberal,

    Half would be a good start. The 700 billion DOD budget doesn't even count the CIA - dozens of other clandestine agencies and Homeland security. It's more like a trillion dollars on offensive/defense.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    Orem, UT

    Please tell me what specific cuts YOU are willing to make on your side.

    1:32 p.m. Jan. 8, 2013


    I'm am USAF veteran, and currently an engineer at HAFB.
    So I know all about sacrificing one's self for the betterment of our Nation.

    I'd like to see the DoD budget cut in half,
    even if it means I'm laid off.

    How's THAT?

    Now - You turn.
    What Sacred Cow are YOU willing to give up for the good of our Nation?

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Ultra Bob:

    Some other "businesses" we should cut off the government teat:

    Planned parenthood.
    Green Energy
    ....the list goes on and on...

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: Speaking of hypocrites...

    Other than vague responses to cut "waste, fraud, and abuse", you won't get any politician - Republican or Democrat, to tell you exactly where they will cut spending.

    You criticise Romney for doing the exact same thing Obama does, yet you give him a complete pass. Obama won't tell you a single place he will cut spending either.

    We have created an entitlement culture where every government program has a built-in constituancy and any attempt to even slow its growth (let alone really cut its budget or heaven-forbid, eliminate it) will result in comercials showing you throwing granny off a cliff.

    I want real cuts (including defense, any oil subsidies, and other conservative sacred cows) in government or we will go over a real cliff together with our hands still around each other's throats.

    Please tell me what specific cuts YOU are willing to make on your side.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    No Sacred Cows...literally.

    BTW -- Where are the Tea-Party Republicans?
    This is their signature issue, and yet not a peep.

    Reminds me of Mitt Romney not being able to suggest ONE tax loop-hole he'd close.

    All Talk,
    All hype,
    All thetoric.


  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    How about we stop all subsidies to Business. Farming is a business.

    How about stopping special tax breaks for business.

    How about we stop special accounting gimmicks for business.

    How about we stop allowing some businesses to ignore civil law for wages and insurance.

    How about we stop allowing business to interfere with the election and representation in our government.

    How about we stop all taxes on business profit income and tax only and all personal income at a flat rate to be collected from all American business at the business itself. No individual tax returns.

    How about we eliminate unnecessary levels of government.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    This comment in the article explains why "Farm groups protect these benefits with lobbyists and campaign contributions. Congressional farm committees' power rests on their control of subsidies."

    It is the same reason we will never see a flat tax with no deductions. What good is taxation to bureaucrats if they can't control our behaviour through the tax code. This is why Obama didn't care about revenue increases through eliminating loopholes instead of raising rates.

    The whole reason for tax and spend policies is power. Power is the lifeblood of Washington. Those with power will never willingly relinquish control. It will continue to grow until it consumes us all. Liberals and the press want to give them even more power.