Frustrated Gov. Herbert asks, 'Where's the president?'

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  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    Stop insulting us, Herbert. We followed the fiscal cliff situation for weeks. We saw our president lead, and be part of a solution that received support from all three branches. We are not idiots. We know that you, Mike Lee, Jason Chaffetz all want to shut everything down, and then trick people into thinking it was another person's fault. We're not stupid.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    There is a lot of talk about the aid to hurricane Sandy victims -- However there isn't much talk about people taking some responsibility for themselves -- knowing where they lived many had no Insurance ---If we are going to live in places where is a good possibility of such disaster we need to be as prepared as possible or move some where else and let those who can afford to live in that area with such a high risk take the risk rather than the American Taxpayer. -- I'm all for helping those affected but I don't think we spend the money very wisely ----. We can rebuild and get washed out next year or the year after --- we all need to do better in our preparation instead of always look to the correct our poor decisions.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" did you read about all the non-relief pork that was added to the bills that have been submitted? Would you have been ok with a bill for the hurricaine relief that included a funding to study albino squirrls in Oregon?

    If you want to see why they have not done anything, look at the entire leadership in Washington. It all comes from the top down. The President who once stated that he would work hard to get the economy going, stayed in town long enough to see the final debates on the bill, then left before signing the bill itself. The leader of the House took his cues for the priority of hurricaine relief from the President. The President got his photo ops, now the problem is not so important anymore.

  • Lledrav West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    I'm amazed at the people who approve of Obama in this deal. His party has not passed a budget for years. He has been awol and even insulting in his lack of leadership. While campaigning he promised to cut the deficit but does just the opposite. To all of you who approve of his incompetence, how much debt is acceptable to you ? when should we reduce spending?

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 1:42 a.m.

    Well done Gov. Herbert. The State of the State says it all. Well done.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Herbert should be asking "WHERE WAS CONGRESS?"

    The President's plan has been out there a long time. Several months. Congress writes and passes legislation. Republicans made it clear as soon as Obama was elected and inaugurated they weren't going to work with him. So, Democrats got busy and did as much as they could do in the 72 days they had a filibuster proof majority. Other than that, Congress has done nothing. Republicans have nothing.

    As for the Republican Party, the insane have been in charge of the asylum.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:59 p.m.


    Sorry guy. You do your own homework. The specifics were clear, and very good. We would have seen positive economic growth in just the first week after the election had Romney won.

    The fear of taxation, regulations, and Obama care are keeping investments down with fears of lay-offs. This is just one clue.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    I Choose Freedom,

    Did the constitution change when I wasn't looking and the President is now in control of the purse strings? It was always my understanding that congress had to approve all spending bills.

    I guess believing that congress is in charge of spending money would make me one of those low information voters that Rush always talks about.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    The best you can garner from comments like this is Mr. Herbert has further political ambitions, and he is making sure he has the right talking points down pat... has done his job complaining.

    I am wondering if he has done his part as suggested before, and offered up to the President areas where the State of Utah doesn't need as many federal dollars to help with the process.... otherwise comments like this are really just that, worth nothing, without putting some skin in the game. It sure is a lot easier to make pointless comments like this than to offer up areas where Utah can be part of the solution and offer up to cut some federal funds.

    Perhaps he can start with turning down federal highway funds or the approximately $325 million in education dollars the state receives.... then he would be doing rather than just spewing partisan talking points.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Jan. 2, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    It is hard to deal with a pres. who lies to the american people and then begins to believe his lies are true.

  • Newspaper Reader Highland, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    The recent happenings with our federal government led me to reflect on George Washington’s Farewell Address:

    “…the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party [is] sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.”

    “It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection.”

    “All obstructions to the execution of the laws…serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.”

    Wise words - we must beware of satisfying party interests rather than the best interests of our beautiful country.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    It's laughable to me that the President of the United States felt it was more important to go back to Hawaii and finish his Vacation. They are a disgrace and I worry and stress over what is going to happen to our wonderful United States of America...what will be left for our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren for them to enjoy. Our Military men and women deserve the upmost respect. How many of us would be willing to leave the comforts of our home and go to a foreign country and fight for what is precious to us? Give our life in defense of what we believe is good and true. The lack of respect Obama displays for our troops and our Constitution is heartbreaking. I pray every day that if it is the Lord's will things will change and we as citizens will feel hope in our future and the future of our families.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    For every study there is a pro and a con. There is opposition in all things whether they be good or bad. We'll never know what Romney would have or wouldn't have done. We will find out soon how or what Mr. Obama will or won't do. He hasn't actually led though he did call meetings and force this upon us. The action taken if you read real carefully will raise the national debt another 4 trillion dollars over the next ten years. How can we continue to spend at that rate and work out a solution. Sure taxes were raised on what was a temporary solution for SS. Most Americans will though suffer for this increase. Maybe you ought to ask the man what he plans to do with retirement plans and Individual retirement accounts. His answer is to DO AWAY WITH them. Why, because companies especially the little ones get a tax deduction. Unfortunately, most can no longer afford them and with the tax increases many will not be able to save now. So again, more individuals who will become dependent upon the government for support. That is SOCIALISM.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    Where? This morning I saw him on CNN, discussing the deal. Not a great deal, mind you, but something, anyway. And he was thanking the vice president for making the deal happen. Pretty good thinking on the presidents' part to put Joe in play. He knows how to get things done.

  • NT SomewhereIn, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Yes, where WAS the President when he should have been "presiding"?? The so-called "fiscal cliff" did not just appear a couple of weeks ago, did it.

    Procrastinating this HUGE situation was certainly consistent with his record so far.

    We can only imagine who the president would have been had he attempted to apply his community-organizing leadership skills a few months ago - when this SHOULD have been addressed.

    Allowing something like this to be delayed until the very last minute - is NOT leadership, and is certainly NOT presidential.

    Actually, I hope he got a 4 year Hawaiian golf pass for Christmas. Nobody would miss him.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 2, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    Redshirt.... show us the plan then. where can we find this plan? I want to see it.

    Here is another Republican view on where the inaction comes from... in today's press

    "Christie declared: "Last night, the House majority failed most basic test of leadership and they did so with callous disregard to the people of my state. ... It was disappointing and disgusting to watch." He also unapologetically named names: "There's only one group to blame ... the House majority, and their Speaker, John Boehner." He added that the relief bill "just could not overcome the toxic internal politics of the House majority."

    Under other house leadership, aid to New Orleans was done in 10 days. Aide to Florida, 20 days. Under the current "leadership".... two months past the hurricane not a single cent of aide released because the speaker refused to act. Why.... per haps just a little but of politics being played... post election payback? But the speaker isn't hurting Christie, he is hurting the people whose homes were washed away, their business destroyed..... future voters who will continue to not trust the house leadership.

    Party over country.... the message is really clear.

  • A_Chinese_American Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    When the $16,000,000,000,000.00 keep going up, do you guy see the cliff before you? How soon we will be there? 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, ... Tea Party is the only answer!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 2, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    @Worf - why don't we compare the state of the union in Bush's last quarter, and then the same this last quarter of Obama's. Lets look and see how the economy was doing in both? Lets take a look at housing. Jobs. Even deaths to militants... its a fun comparison.

    Just try to take the partisan muck out of this, and look for real solutions.

    And people.... this was not the final budget deal. All this deal did was to keep most of the Bush cuts in place. The sequestration mess is still a work in process with its deadline pushed 2 months from now. All these formulas you keep posting dont mean a dang thing. Yes, it is kicking the can 2 months down the road...but is surely better than the Houses solution which was nothing and would have immediately cost Americans about a million jobs....and taxes would have gone up for everyone, with a little new recession for added bonus.

    But keep complaining. You do it so well. It is far easier to complain than to come up with real solutions, and be part of the solution.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    Ok red,

    Exact same question to you.

    "So, tell me specifically,

    What deductions/loopholes did Romney and/or Ryan say that they would close?"

    Easy question. Will you dodge it again?

    BTW, i went to romneytaxplan dot com as you suggested.

    Hilarious. Go check it out. Best laugh all day. Thank you

  • I Choose Freedom Atlanta, GA
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    $41 in new taxes for every $1 in spending cuts. We are over $16 Trillion in debt with Obama adding almost $6 Trillion of that amount in just four years. Not his fault some of you will say? Well what has he done about it? He is the President and the buck stops at his desk.

    Yes, Obama is keeping his word to "fundamentally change" the USA.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    To "JoeBlow" don't like and say you were listening to Romney's plans for cutting taxes and balancing the budget when you obviously were not. Your ignorance of facts is not our fault, that is your own. The web site romney tax plan dot com is still active, and can get you the information that you refused to get during the election.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    According to the Tax Policy Center, more than 60% of those non-income tax paying households did pay federal payroll taxes.

    Of the 18.1% of U.S. households that paid neither income nor payroll taxes? More than half of them were headed by a senior–in other words, by someone who paid payroll taxes and likely some income taxes too, in the past.

    Grover Norquist favored passage of the Senate bill, stating technically it wasn't a tax increase (since taxes were going up), but was actually a tax cut. Even "wealthy" people benefit from the lower tax rates on lower levels of income.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    According to the Tax Policy Center, more than 60% of those non-income tax paying households did pay federal payroll taxes.

    Of the 18.1% of U.S. households that paid neither income nor payroll taxes? More than half of them were headed by a senior–in other words, by someone who paid payroll taxes and likely some income taxes too, in the past.

    Grover Norquist favored passage of the Senate bill, stating technically it wasn't a tax increase (since taxes were going up), but was actually a tax cut. Even "wealthy" people benefit from the lower tax rates on lower levels of income.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 2, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    "I heard it several times. Where were you?"

    I was listening. Maybe you heard something that I did not.

    So, tell me specifically,

    What deductions/loopholes did Romney and/or Ryan say that they would close?

    Specifics please

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    2013 starts out with the BAD fiscal cliff deal that really hurts everyone. I suspect this is going to be the norm for the next 4 years... bad deal after bad deal after bad deal. But realize the BAD DEAL is only for those who work and pay taxes - for the rest of the non-tax paying and non working crowd who live off government freebee's everything is rosy. What's wrong with getting free stuff? So 50% of America (maybe more) is pretty happy right now. Also people talk about compromise. Compromise is good IF what both sides are proposing has some merit but when one side is so obviously wrong and damaging then compromise does more harm than good. I see Obama bending on NOTHING. NOTHING!! Is that compromise? I guess in Obama's mind compromise means surrender your values and adopt mine. How would that attitude work in a marriage? In a corporation? Barack is a novice green horn who hasn't run a thing in his life so understanding the art of compromise is beyond him. Living by strict ideology - from left or right - is lethal.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    What on earth is Herbert talking about? Obama has been extremely engaged in the negotiation process with Congress. Could it be that Herbert just doesn't like the outcome of the fiscal cliff deal, but won't say it? Or maybe he despises Obama because his hard work processed a deal that exposed too much of a certain party's incompetence and lack of teamwork?

    Anyway, all this finger pointing from our officials is getting so tiresome. And at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I have to say that I am as disappointed as Herbert is in the lack of leadership and accomplishment in Washington -- which I squarely blame on the platform of obstructionism which seems to be the only thing the Republican Party can pull together.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:16 a.m.


    I heard it several times. Where were you?

    Obama, and the press are great at demonizing people.

    Romney easily would have kept his word. The economy is not that difficult to fix, but will soon be.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Governor Herbert is absolutely right, Obama has not been a leader, in fact he is more of a thug than anything resembling a leader.

    But, this reflects the huge split in our country.

    Some, but too few, thoughtful and fact based people recognize that we are out of money and mired in debt, and can no longer spend like we have, nor support the entitlement programs that have gotten us to this point.

    Many, rightly characterized as driven by well-intentioned emotions, or low information voters who only care about getting "free stuff" and screwing the "evil rich," think there is an endless supply of tax dollars and every need, desire or luxury can and should be supplied by the government. Without a clue as to how to pay for it, or the consequences for failing to pay, they have succeeded in spending us to a level of indebtedness from which we cannot recover.

    Governor Herbert is right, and Utah's economic success and sound financial management confirm that. Well done, Governor and Legislators. But our frugality is jeopardized by the reckless spenders in Washington.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    Congress is AWOL.

    Obama is finally standing up against the GOP, Grover, the Tea Party and other things he should have been fighting harder to overcome for four years.

    Maybe now that Obama seems to have found some backbone, some progress might begin.

    In the meantime, the good Governor is still wearing his blinders and spouting the party line of obstruction and fibs.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    When Gov. Herbert shows us exactly how he'll cut federal spending to make a significant dent in the deficit - then and only then will I take him seriously.

    Tell you what - ask Gov. Herbert how he'd react if congress were to say, "OK, we'll get serious about cutting budgets. We're shutting down Hill Air Force Base. And that gajillion dollar NSA building in south Salt Lake County? Cancelled. We don't need it and we can't afford it."

    How about that, Governor?

  • jfreed27 Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    I guess he missed the "Meet the Press" interview with Obama, who was pretty clear about his position.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 2, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    "Romney had a plan, but nobody wanted to hear about..."

    We asked REPEATEDLY to hear about it. We asked and asked for the details.

    All we got was

    "I will lower taxes by 20% and balance the budget by closing deduction, while increasing military spending."

    Never once did we hear how this would be accomplished. And we were skeptical because it sounded too good to be true. And we all know that it was.

    Oh yes. We did want to hear his plan. Every one of us.

    And we asked and asked and asked......

  • Europe Topeno, Finland
    Jan. 2, 2013 5:49 a.m.

    Sadly NOTHING has, nor will it, changed in DC. Obama has his mandate after lying about everything to get the presidency... at the cost of everything. So what did he do? Party, played Golf, flew to Hawaii (at the cost of millions and robbing Christmas from hundreds of parents who guarded/ serviced him). The saddest thing is, that the US is in such a bad situation ... worse than Greece... financially. The fiscal cliff has not been cancelled, but deepened! Romney had a plan, but nobody wanted to hear about...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 2, 2013 12:10 a.m.


    * You don't remember Obama investigating fast & furious?
    * You don't remember the deficit was going to be cut in half.

    We could make a long list, can't we?

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    Seriously Governor????
    You haven't noticed the lack of support from the Congress, where there is a Republican stalemate basically at every turn???
    You don't remember the pack Senator McConnell and his cronies made to impede anything that came from Obama???
    You didn't hear about Bohners Plan B that your party rejected so strongly that there was never a vote taken on it???
    You don't know that this Congress has the worst record in history for getting things done??
    You haven't heard that this Congress has a national approval rating of a whopping 12%????
    Perhaps you should subscribe to the Deseret News and follow the events of our nation.

  • E. Hindman Ogden, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    Seriously? Gary Herbert is questioning a lack of leadership in Washington and there are many Utahns questioning the lack of leadership in SLC.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Gov. Herbert

    Mike Lee and other favorites of the Tea Party are the problem.

    I suggest you look within your own state and think long and hard about who gets sent to Congress from your state. Governing requires compromise. When you send people to Congress who believe compromise is evil, you get gridlock. Gridlock can destroy our country by making it impossible to solve our problems.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    He's golfing with Waldo.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Sorry, Governor, but anyone who pins their hopes for America's future on the US Congress is going to be disappointed. We need to do things without the fed, not get into bed with them. As you have noted, thay are dysfunctional and the less we depend upon them the better.