louie,Never trust "the vast majority". They are easily
Lets step back and look at what happened. Taxes for everyone making under
$100,000 will go up by 2% (FICA tax holiday ending). The person making a
million dollars a year will see his FICA tax go up by .2%. It is true that his
income tax will increase by 3.6%. If we let the Bush tax cuts become permanent
for everyone, and allow the FICA holiday to expire, then the majority of
Americans will see their taxes increase by 2% while the richest 1% of Americans
would see their taxes increase by .2% or less. The republicans want
everyone to have skin in the game, well guess what in this proposal they do.
Some of you may want to differentiate FICA from Income tax, but for me a tax is
a tax, I don't care what you call it. The millionaires will be paying
3.62% more and the middle class will be paying 2% more. That makes more sense
than the middle class paying 2% more and millionaires .2%. I am not
sure why republicans didn't embrace this concept from the beginning.
Here is the blarney of most of these comments...... no one aspect, tax increase
or spending cut, will mount to more than a fractional percentage of the problem.
Anyone who thinks they cut there way to a booming economy seriously hasn't
studied up enough - with the government amounting to 34 percent of the economy,
even a decrease in economic activity will send us back into rescission. Likewise, we can't increase taxes enough to cancel out the over
spending of the past. There is no silver bullet. It will be a long, and
patience testing task to hold back spending, restraint on borrowing, and growth
of income through increased income to get thins into balance. any
comment in the extreme shows a complete misunderstanding of the global economic
factors in play here.
The vast majority of Americans agree with Obama. Get over it.
Meckofahess,You are absolutely right. Every one in Cuba, Greece,
Spain, etc, have excess to healthcare. In Cuba, the government runs
the businesses, because the people really didn't build it.It's thinking like yours that's transforming the country. Thanks
for your patriotism.
All Senator Lee has done since he was elected is play political games. I am so
tired of the Congress we as lazy Americans have elected. It's time we start
new and get rid of who we have "serving" us, because they are only
serving their own political grandstanding.
Obama's finger pointing at the Republicans is his effort to pass the buck
instead of take responsibility. Is anyone in this country aware that the
Republican controlled House of Representatives passed a proposal that actually
allowed the tax hikes on the wealthy but asked for spending cuts? But because
President "I want no debt ceiling" Obama didn't want that the bill
has stalled in the Senate which is controlled by Democrats. Now most middle
class families will have to pay an additional $2400 in income taxes this year.
I also think that Obama really doesn't understand how the wealthy do
provide jobs and what effect tax increases may have on business. Several
companies my husband has worked for have been owned and financed by someone who
is wealthy. His current employer is self made and has put his money into several
high tech enterprises. The company my husband works for was purchased by this
man when it was in trouble. Now he is guaranteeing people get paid, have
benefits, and generally running things so they have been able to keep going and
develop new products which helps the economy.
There is no leadership for our country. We are in a sorry condition. Our hopes
are in giving the states the power to govern. The Federal system is mired down
without leadershsip and we as a nation are going down the tube, plus, we are
I believe Mike Lee did a "short sale" on his house this year and walked
away from some $400,000 in loans. I'm not convinced that someone who
can't manage his own finances without repudiating debt should be pointing
fingers at others who are struggling to solve problems that people like our
junior Senator helped create.
mcdugall:"Will the increased tax revenue reduce the deficit by any
substantial amount?"The tax increase on the wealthy will cover
the equivalent of about 8 days of government spending. And it will not be used
to pay down the national debt. It will be used, instead, to grow the
government.Furthermore, as others on this thread have pointed out,
the tax on the wealthy will have the net effect of killing jobs. The wealthy
create the jobs. No one has ever obtained a job from the poor in our
economy.The problem is, the uninformed voter (meaning basically the
Democrat voter) doesn't know how our economy functions. They hear
'tax the rich' and they say 'yeah, do it, we need more tax money
so we can stay home drawing unemployment and getting more food stamps.'Our national debt is beyond repair. It will continue to grow until we
can borrow no more, at which point this country is doomed. It may take a few
years but we'll get there.Thanks Democrats, you've killed
Senator Mike Lee has no business accusing somebody of playing games. That is
all he knows how to do! He doesn't legistlate; nor does he lead. He plays
games. And we pay for his games.
Senator Lee- provide details on what you would like to cut. Did you vote to
continue the agriculture subsidy? How would your constituents feel if they had
to pay $7.00 for a gallon of milk? Let's get serious we don't need
milk subsidies or a military that spends more than all other countries in the
world combined. You all have your sacred cows but Americans are the ones that
are getting slaughterd by politicans like you.
mcdugall:"Will the increased tax revenue reduce the deficit by any
substantial amount?"The tax increase on the wealthy will cover
the equivalent of about 8 days of government spending. And it will not be used
to pay down the national debt. It will be used to grow the government.Furthermore, as others on this thread have pointed out, the tax on the wealthy
will have the net effect of killing jobs. The wealthy create the jobs. No one
has ever gotten a job from the poor in our economy.The problem is,
the uninformed voter (meaning basically the Democrat voter) doesn't know
how our economy functions. They hear 'tax the rich' and they say
'yeah, do it, we need more tax money so we can stay home drawing
unemployment and getting more food stamps.'Our national debt is
beyond repair. It will continue to grow until we can borrow no more, at which
point this country is doomed. It may take a few years but we'll get
there.Thanks Democrats, you've killed us.
Mr. Lee if and when you ever decide to be an actual representative of the people
rather than a puppet of the far right wing of your party and actually
participate in the legislative process please just keep quiet. Better to be
thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Senator Lee your proposal is????????? let me guess kick the president...shift
the blame.It would be nice to see someone who is elected to step up
and lead, seems Utah has elected another jackal.We elected these
people to stop and solve issues like this...too bad we cannot stop their checks
until they fix it and do their job instead of running from microphone to
microphone.At the end of the day I do not care who or what party
fixes the problem, the problem has been identified and you have been elected so
do what it takes to do your job and at the end of the day you can reflect back
and see what you could have done differently.get involved in the
fray, lead out, we will elect you again if you distinguish yourself rather than
play party politics til the bitter end.you can be right but you need
not be dead right
What in Tucket?,"....The big problem is spending has to be at
least slowed down a little....."____________________Conservatives justifiably argue that government must be as small as it can be.
Liberals justifiably argue that government must be as large as it needs to be.
These two different emphases that make common ground so elusive drive a test of
wills that make the fiscal cliff more difficult and less unthinkable to steer
clear of. Congress created this hazard and the need to placate their bases needs
to be brought under control.
Until Obama seriously addresses his spending woes, no tax increase is going to
solve the problem. Lee is dead on. Obama is simply content on continuing to
kick the can down the road.
Both parties are playing chicken and the American people are like the girl
holding the flag to start the race but too stupid to move out of the way...
The senate has been in charge of the Democrats a rather long sorry time. Taxes
on the rich won't help anyone,, but I would compromise at $500,000. It
would be better if we could give a benefit to small business. The big problem is
spending has to be at least slowed down a little. This can't go on.
Regulations and red tape are also piling up.
@Redshirt - your comments are belly rollers in light of McConnell filibustering
his own bill just 2 weeks ago. You take on this it is the Democrats fault for
accepting his bill, allowing it to come to the floor, then McConnell himself
filibustering it. Or perhaps it is the Democrats that are responsible for the
good speaker of the houses own plan "B" was pulled from the docket
because he couldn't get enough support from his own side.... yes.....
it's all the democrats fault. Perhaps a little objectivity in your
recollection would help. These all happened in the last 2 weeks.Then there is the silly quote that Obama never compromises. When ever
someone refers to something as "never", you pretty much can discredit
those comments, because in the real world, no one ever acts the same way every
time. You might be able to say using "never" is never accurate. Just like now one is all good, and now one is always evil. But it would
be so nice if the world were organized into two nicely defined camps. Sure
makes it easy.... just not accurate.
Hmmmm .... and refusing to even talk of ending the tax cuts on the rich is
considered negotiating? Wow, the pot is calling the kettle black.
Senator Lee and his GOP fellows know how to play games themselves and have been
all along. Why does he suppose the American people are so disgusted? This fiscal
cliff isn't something that sneaked up on us and caught us by surprise.
We've known for months the exact date on which we would reach the cliff and
all the while Congress sat on its hands doing nothing. They had time to go home
to campaign for re-election in their own districts, didn't they?The fiscal cliff is a creature of Congressional making. Lee knows that.
It sounds like a lot of people in the comments section is drinking the poison
kool-aid of the Democratic party and the Obama administration. I, for one, think
that Senator Lee and representative Chaffetz are being too kind to Obama in
saying he is playing political games with the fiscal cliff negotiations. Obama
is nothing but political in his approach to everything. He had no interest in
solving a problem with our nations finances and he had no plan other than a
failed policy that will bankrupt the nation. The Democratic party is responsible
for leading us in a fiscal crisis four years ago and they have not lifted their
foot off the pedal in speeding toward fiscal calamity. If the Democrats and the
Obama administration had a real plan, they would have submitted it by now.
Otherwise, they are just playing games in order to make the Republicans appear
in the most negative light as possible.
None of our current Utah legislators have any cred in Congress. They'll
I'll vote against the eventual solution saying we could have done better.
Seriously folks, we put Utah politcans into office instead of citizen
legislators. Why do we pay their benefits?
Redshirt: The Senate has tried to have votes on many items that come out of the
House, unfortunately, there are more filibusters that have been called in the
last 2 years than in the previous 50 years combined.Of those
filibusters, 95% of them were called by Republicans. The Senate Republicans
were filibustering nearly all bills, be them Democratic or Republican in nature.
They just didn't want any votes to be on the record.Look at
what the Senate Republicans did to a bill that would just affirm the current law
and standing of the Americans with Disabilities Act. They filibustered it for
no reason, there wasn't even any law change or act included in the bill,
just an acknowledgement that the original act was the right thing to do.The Senate has already passed a bill that would extend the tax cuts for
98% of the Country and left in place the spending cuts. The House won't
even consider a vote on it. Why?
Senator Lee, please stop reminding us how sorry we are for electing you. Please
keep your mouth shut the rest of your term, and then we will replace you with
someone who will not continually embarrass our state. By the way, negotiating
is not a political game. It is a basic skill that we require of all of our
Lee and the rest of the Republicans dish it out, and then when they don't
act and get called out on it, they act surprised? Are you kidding me? The GOP
is the big obstacle, and even many Republicans and conservative commentators
think the GOP in Congress is the problem. If Lee wants a deal, let there be a
vote on the Senate floor without a Republican filibuster. It will be done very
quickly. Lee and his fellow Republicans are the problem, not the President.
To "Reasonable Person" senator Lee may be part of the biggest Do-nothing
congress in history, but look at why. The Democrat leaders don't allow
votes on anything that comes out of the house.To "LDS
Liberal" again with the lies. See "Senator Lee forced to sell
‘dream home’ in short sale" in the SLTrib. A short sale is not
the same as foreclosure. Even the liberal's newspaper doesn't agree
with you. He sold his house because he took a PAY CUT to be a senator. He
manned up and has paid the price for his choices.To
"Meckofahess" how has Obama looked out for the little guy? He is only
making people more dependent on the government. If he was truly concerned about
the little guy wouldn't we have higher labor force participation rates or
fewer people on food stamps? You also missed out on the reports showing that
under Obama income for the average American is less. If anything, Obama has
shown his concern for getting power and keeping it.
There are very few words that can be used to accurately describe the hypocrisy
and lopsided thinking of Senator Lee. None that are polite enough to be used in
the DN, that is.
Say it isn't so! A politician playing political games? I'm shocked,
I tell you, shocked that such a thing is going on.
Hoopcoach,34% of that 47% you refrenced are on Social Security and
Federal Pensions, including those on Military Pensions. They worked
most of their lives depending on what was promised and paying into the system.
Our "leaders" the last 50 years overlooked the big problem
to maintain their positions...
LDS Liberal - thanks for reminding us about Senator Lee's own home
foreclosure due to his fiscal irresponsibility. Like I said before, where is
his leadership? At least President Obama and the democrats are attempting to
look out for the "little guys" in society. Thanks to President Obama
all Americans will have access to Healthcare. Without his leadership we would
forever be at the mercy our broken healthcare system whose practitioners would
take everything you own because you have the audacity to become seriously ill!
And to think this is coming from a guy who lost his own honme to foreclousure
for not paying HIS own finacial obligations!Whatever Sen. Mike Lee
-- Your word and "financial" credibilty means ZERO to most of us.
RRB,He doesn't know how, and really doesn't care.
Obama needs to stop blaming people and fix it.
The philosophy of the Tea Party is really very simple. They only want fiscal
responsibility in our government and deference to our U.S. Constitution.And for this the Left and the corrupt Media label that extreme?That, Meckofahess, is truly what is pathetic.
Funny that Senator Lee criticizes the President for lack of leadership? From
what I can see as a native Utahn is that Senator Lee mostly follows the lead of
the extremist Tea Party instead of showing some leadership himself. But then
like most repblicans, he has to look out for the good of the 1% and not the
American middle class!. But then again, he has nothing to worry about, as
wearing the Republican banner in Utah will protect him from any threat of being
defeated come next election even if his party has no solutions to the nations
problems. How pathetic.
Our lame duck president is getting exactly what he wants. A socialistic United
States! He's done LESS than congress! With the exception of one thing...
His golf game! Mitt Romney was right when he said 47% wouldn't vote for
him. Why wold they? And have everything that Obama is giving to them for doing
absolutely nothing taken away? How dare they have to work for a living like the
rest of us!
Raising taxes on the wealthy will not cost jobs. Taxing the middle class more
will. If the middle class has less money, then they will buy fewer products.
Where are all the jobs the wealthy have created over the last 4
years when their taxes paid was half of mine, % wise. If the fear is the
wealthy will not be able to expand, then why haven't they expanded by now
during the lowest interest rates in memory? However, $250,000 a year is not
wealthy. I think it should be at least double that figure.Spending
does need to be cut. But the only spending that will dent the deficit is
defense, social security, and medicare. What percentage of spending do you want
to cut from each?
Republicans and Tea party never acknowledge their roles in the debt ceiling and
the national debt. The last republican president sent the economy into the
dumps. Why should anyone trust them again?
Worst Senator ever. What an embarrassment.
Senator Lee is absolutely correct. You'd have to be absolutely daft to not
see Obama's cynical class warfare politics, and his pandering to the
"low information" voters out there who put him back in office for
another four dismal years to come.Every day brings a new outrage.
Federal agencies out of control with regulatory zeal, and asserting
extraConstitutional power they were not delegated by Congress. Obama, the narcissist-in-chief, can't tear himself away from the Golf
Course, Jay-Z's fundraisers, David Letterman show, the View, or the latest
manufactured rally to actually exercise Leadership and bring people together.He's done more to divide this country, and to run up our debt than
anyone in US history. Yet, he's "hip," "cool." And
Republicans are to blame? Pray that our nation survives four more
years of Obama and the Democrats. What has this nation become?
Well count on Barry to hit the links tomorrow.......he could care less if
Americans are over taxed, after all he knows the GOVT spends the democrats money
better than they can. Senator Lee, doesn't waste your breath on this
guy.....he thinks he is a dictator, not POTUS.
Obama has NEVER made a specific proposal for ANY spending cuts, nor made any
attempt to "compromise" with the Republicans. That is the epitome of
political games by a President.Indeed, Harry Reid's senate has
not even voted on a budget (as required by law every year) for 4 years. Nor
voted on any of the House passed proposals to avoid the :cliff." Obama has repeatedly blamed the Republicans, but not attempted to even get his
fellow Democrats to put forth a specific counter proposal. Some
"negotiating skills" huh?Worse, Obama has deceitfully
portrayed this as a problem of the "evil rich not paying their fair
share" when in fact the problem is the out of control spending which he
refuses to acknowledge, let along cut.Sen. Lee is right, and bravo
to him for saying what needs to be said. Obama is purposely destroying every
aspect of our country, and must be stopped. Bravo to ANY who are willing to
stand up to his bully tactics and demonization tactics. The media will
excoriate you, but history will vindicate your courageous attempts to save our
Fiscal cliff is not the right metaphor here. It is rush hour and Charlie
Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, and Nick Stahl are fighting for the wheel of the car while
doing crazy 8s down the freeway. Now there is the metaphor.Our
senator's math, incidentally, does not add up.
Typical Obama move, always pointing fingers and shifting blame. It's always
someone else's fault. Democrats don't understand that the top 1% print
the paychecks for all of those middle class folks. You raise taxes on them and
there is less money for the workers. It's pretty simple, but democrats, go
ahead and keep hating those who have made a successful life and continue to
discourage success. Welcome to Socialism.
obama continues to show how truly clueless he is and fortunately for him many
americans (his groupies) included continue to mindlessly buy his baloney.
handouts won him the election and takers continue to back this guy. amazing.....
@deseret pete -Raising taxes increases revenue which will reduce the annual
deficit. Will the increased tax revenue reduce the deficit by any substantial
amount? Sadly, No. The first year in which Obama had any influence on the budget
was 2010. The deficit at the end of 2009 stood at 11.9 trillion dollars, the
deficit today is roughly 16 trillion dollars. Under the Obama Presidency the
country has incurred an extra four trillion dollars. What should not be
forgotten is that the budget has been approved by a Republican House each and
every year, so not all the blame can be placed on Obama. We should place more
emphasis on investment in Education and jobs, which will help this country
economically and socially. Thankfully, the US has the luxury to adjust monetary
policy any way we choose. As long as the US Dollar remains the worlds reserve
currency, the Fed has flexibility other nations don't have, you won't
see the Greek/Ireland/Spain/Portugal/Italy economic issues for a long time.
The problem is career politicians, on the right and left. With an approval
rating in the low teens congress should be concerned about their jobs. They are
not the least bit concerned, because the majority of congressional districts in
the country are gerrymandered so that it it almost impossible for them to change
hands (that includes republicans and democrats depending on which state). These
clowns don't care, they still get paid and oh by the way even get a pay
raise. This is all about power. Follow the money, are the republicans trying
to protect the wealthy absolutely, that is their base. Are the democrats trying
to protect retiree's and lower income Americans yes that is their base.When it comes to budgets and spending the President can only recommend
and then sign a budget into law or veto it. Could he do a better job of trying
to move this process forward probably, but we don't know what efforts he
has made and what recommendations he has made. The folks that should be talking
reside in the house and the senate, but again, they don't care about you
Raising taxes on the rich does nothing to solve our fiscal cliff folks --- We
have a spending problem. Obama has incurred more debt than all the presidents
combined and we have billions of unfunded responsibilities coming up and no way
to met them. You could tax the rich 100 percent and that wouldn't solve our
problem. We need to get america back to work, especially those on the dole who
are able to work.Folks have you seen what is happening in Europe? That is us
shortly if we keep up this madness.
"It's hard working Americans who are living paycheck by paycheck and
those who are least able to absorb the losses," he said. "That's
why were' concerned about that." - If that is the case, why is he
actively supporting the interests of the ~1% at the expense of the rest of the
~99%? Holding average Americans hostage to save high earners a 3-4% tax
The Ernst and Young study:was prepared last year by two economists at
Ernst & Young for the Independent Community Bankers of America, the National
Federation of Independent Business, the S Corporation Association and the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce — all opponents of the president’s agenda.Furthermore, one of the authors is also a former official in George W.
Bush’s Treasury Department.
Sen Lee is the game player along with the tea partiers. All about games,
nothing about solutions. The Republicans may realize this some day, some term,
some vote, that the tea party's non solutions are seen as garbage. By most
of us voters. Sen Lee, show up with real solutions, workable solutions. The
rich can and ought to pay more for the wars, the infrastructure, and towards
helping the poor. Shutting down PBS, cutting foreign aid, these are not
solutions to spending, they are less than a drop in the proverbial bucket.
Defense is the big elephant in the room, Sen Lee, defense spending pays middle
class and rich class incomes to too many hangers on in the military industrial
complex. Take a closer look at defense spending, Sen Lee, I can help you find
hundreds of billions of unneeded spending. In one budget term. Game over, Sen
Lee. You lost. Mark my words, in a few days, your game will be over with the
Senate and the House passing at least the minimum - continued Bush tax rates
except for over $250k families.
The emperor has no desire to balance a budget and shows no understanding of
fiscal responsibility. We are better to fall of the cliff than to continue to
let the government spending spree roll on unaccounted for.
Since the Deseret News quotes the Washington Post "fact checking" story,
it probably would have been better to note that the Washington Post gave the
claim three Pinocchios out of four. It called the claim that raising taxes on
the top rates would destroy 700,000 jobs "simply absurd." The Deseret
News (and Senator Lee) might disagree with the Washington Post, but having
referenced the article, more context would have improved this article.Senator Lee and Congressman Chaffetz are also playing politics here. What
proposals do they have for solving the problem, other than criticizing the
This President never takes one ounce of responsibility for anything! He leads
from behind rather than from the front. He pushes others around, blames,
threatens, and accuses everyone who doesn't agree with his ideology. And,
disappointingly, many people believe his rhetoric and deception and keep
drinking the koolaid.Americans had a chance to change this last Nov.
6th. Now all of America will suffer.
No, he is playing politics, just like the Republicans did by holding a bunch of
pointless votes on repealing The Affordable Care Act, when they knew each and
every time it would never pass. This is the definition of politics. This is
just like McConnell proclaiming that his goal was to make sure Obama was a one
term president. This is politics just like when McConnell brought a bill to the
floor of the senate, only to filibuster his own bill.Mike, this is
politics.... get used to it.
Mister Lee: political games?You dare point arrows at the President,
when you are part of the biggest do-nothing obstructionist Congress in
history.You aren't there to help our country succeed.All
you want to do is keep taxes low for your fat-cat friends, and hurt the real
taxespayers of this country: the middle class.I hope you get
primaried by someone with good sense.
Thank you Senator! I have been saying the same thing all along, and am dismayed
that our other Utah Legislators have not.
Mike Lee is playing politics again, and to heck with the country in the process.
Why am I not surprised.
Sen. Lee states Pres. Obama is playing political games? Really? I presume Lee
could recoginize and know how to play a political game so it must be true.