Utah's congressional delegation frustrated by fiscal cliff

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  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 30, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    Ricard, maybe, if we could find a way to vote them out despite their having gerrymandered themselves into secure districts, they'd get the idea.

    Is it time for a third political party? One that unites all of us who are in the middle now? Perhaps it could be called the Party of Common Sense.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Dec. 30, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Having written to one of my congressmen, I was disappointed to find that all he or his aide would do was to restate his position. When will our congressmen begin to understand that their holding tenaciously to positions deemed unacceptable to those on the other side of the aisle will only lead to frustration when met by similar recalcitrance from those whom they oppose. It is about compromise, some tax increases and some spending cuts. Pushing the economy into a recession which will only decrease tax revenues, trigger greater entitlement spending, and push up the debt does not seem to me to be a solution to much of anything.

  • CPA Howard Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
    Dec. 29, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    Changes to the tax code are to orginate in the House and not the Senate; and the House has sent two bills to the Senate and Mr. Reid will not bring them to vote. Yet the President demands a vote on the Senate bill. My advice is let's follow the constitution and the Senate vote on the House bill as written. If it can't pass then send it back to the House with recommended changes and let the House make the changes to the bill.

    Taxing the rich will not accomplish anything. Our problem is a spending problem and not a revenue problem, If you took away all of the wealth of the 5% who pay 70% of the taxes without making real spending cuts, not slowing the rate of growth a cut, we'll be in the same place next year. The founders never intended the government to fix every problem and provide a safety net.

    Bush 41 raised the tax on luxury items and the middle class workers who made the luxury goods found themselves out of work. So I guess those taxes really helped those workers in the middle class.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Our commander, and president hasn't had an annual budget, and doesn't know what to do.

    Truth didn't matter during the campaign, and now we move with no sense of direction. What's Obama care all about? How much will our taxes rise? What new regulations are going to hinder business that weren't built by its owners?

    Think I'll hide in Hawaii.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    Our congressman represent the majority of Utahns,

    So what if they do not represent the radical left.

    They need to stand firm, on good principle.

    no matter how the radical left, the liberals, the Kingmen of this day and age, scoffs and mocks the right, and otherwise expresses their hate for what is good and right.

    We have a HUGE spending problem that turning our country into a weak and dependent people.

  • teleste Austin, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 12:09 p.m.


    "The only reason Republicans held House seats was due to gerrymandering."

    You can complain all day about how maps are drawn...that won't change the fact that it takes winning an election to go to Congress...and the GOP won a clear majority of those.

    Obama and the Liberals haven't put forward plans that the majority of Americans support...if they had the GOP would not be in control of the Congress (and legislative power).

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    My2Cents: "Polls are never right and created to mimic an idea wihtout (sp) facts, no the americans (sp) do not favor taxing the rich."

    Would this be the same "don't believe the polls" criticism that conservatives had towards polls that said Obama would be re-elected?

    When will you folks stop kidding yourselves?

    In terms of raw numbers of votes, Democrats won decisively across the nation. As has been pointed out previously, the only reason Republicans retained control of the House is because of their egregious gerrymandering of congressional districts.

    Multiple credible polls show that a strong majority of Americans, including a large percentage of Republicans, believe our current tax system is tilted heavily and unfairly in favor of the wealthiest Americans. Numerous economic and demographic studies show that belief accurately reflects reality. Backing away from the "fiscal cliff" requires an honest conversation about that reality.

  • Remay1 Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    I find it interesting the of all the Utah delegation, only Senator Hatch sounds like a principled conservative. He tells the truth about what is going on and the political games the president and his minions including the mainstream press are playing. Not addressing the continuing tax and spend mentality will inevitably be the ruination of our country. We can only hope the American people will wake up before it's too late.... if it's not too lake already.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 8:50 a.m.


    "Polls clearly show a majority of voters support stealing from the upper levels of income".

    Of course! People like something for nothing. The upper levels didn't build their businesses. Did they?

    Sounds like coveting, and dishonesty.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    Utah's delegation is a big part of the problem. Like the rest of the GOP, they are out of step with the overwhelming majority of the people.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 1:59 a.m.

    Polls are never right and created to mimic an idea wihtout facts, no the americans do not favor taxing the rich. Its every americans duty to pay his share for governemnt services and schools. This poll is the talk of welfare entitlements who don't pay taxes anyway but Obama is paying to vote for entitlements increases rather than get out and look for a job.

    It would be better for the economy if rich corporate USA give more income and wages to the workers than give the IRS taxes that will never get distributed to the economy.

    Compromise is not an option, compromise is why this country is in way over its head. We must stand up to the president and senate to restore a stable economy with less debt. The fiscal cliff will do notheing but strip pork from the hogs at the trough.

    It looks that a leap of death is what this country needs to wake up to reality that debt is evil greed. So we crash, what do we have to lose? There are no tax increase with the bush budget, its a cut in donations to strip the SSA, medicare, and medicaid.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 1:22 a.m.

    This country needs to suffer big time. It's the only way to gain some common sense, and elect leaders of character.

    Bring on the cliff, and Obama care.

    May our liberal friends get what they voted for.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 1:14 a.m.

    Bush tax cuts were breaks for only the rich. Some actually believed that.

    Expiring Bush tax cuts leads to fiscal cliff, as it includes over a million middle class citizens.

    Obama, and crew have deceived the American people.

    Evidence our education system don't produce critical thinkers. We were fooled twice.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 28, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    Democrats won the election. Pres Obama was re-elected by a wider margin than GW Bush. Democrats had to defend 23 seats in the Senate, Republicans only 10. Democrats gained an additional 2 seats in he Senate. Democrats exceeded Republican votes by 1.5 million for the House. The only reason Republicans held House seats was due to gerrymandering.

    Polls clearly show a majority of voters support tax increases on upper levels of income.

    The UT delegation is part of the reason there exists dysfunction in Washington. Mike Lee spent the year filibustering non-controversial judicial nominees.

    The Republican Party is in shambles and is holding the country hostage.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 28, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    What should we expect? We are the people that put the same clowns in office that we have had for the past four years.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 28, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    So our congressional delegation is frustrated?

    Then I guess we're even. There are a lot of us here who are frustrated by THEM!