Even if Doman has been a sub par QB coach and OC, he has been a great
recruiter, one of the best on the staff. I'd like to see him stay with the
program just in another capacity. With Reynolds retiring maybe they could move
Doman to AHC (Reynold's old spot) and then hire someone to come in and
coach the offense and QB's (preferably 2 different guys).
Wayne RoutYour dead wrong about no other school bringing in an
inexperienced OC. We need look no further than the neighbor to the north, the U
of Utah. We also see what they got with Brian Johnson.
The BYU passing game with Riley at the helm seemed to be very limited: Hit
Hoffman if he's open -- if not, throw a poor pass (or interception) into
coverage or tuck and run.Hoffman is a great player and proven go-to
guy, but the days of the great BYU offenses consisted of a QB that could find
the tight end and other receivers as well. Friel and Apo are great players. We
should have been hearing their names more often as the offense marched up and
down the field.
It is time to replace the head coach and OC. These two individuals did more to
drag down this team than anything I have ever seen. When will the BYU AD stand
up and keep his promise to change things in this program. I do not expect the
offense to change at all if these two remain. If I were an offensive player, BYU
would be the last place I would go. Is this just not clear to BYU at this point?
They are drinking the coolaid, but I am not sure from which bottle.
RE: CougarBlue"Those who wonder why Ty Detmer is mentioned have
not been serious readers of many sports articles..."Or maybe, as
I mentioned on an earlier post in this thread, we've simply seen his track
record as a head coach (3-13) and have objectively noted that he needs
experience before he is ready for the big time. As a "true BYU fan"
that is "truly knowledgeable" and "reads multiple media and pays
attention" I sure hope that BYU does not gamble on another unproven OC (a la
Doman), it's simply not worth the risk. But thank you for being
condescending to me and many other "true fans", I'm always happy to
be clumped in with any meaningless generalization.
Those who wonder why Ty Detmer is mentioned have not been serious readers of
many sports articles. Coaches in the NFL were amazed at his knowledge about the
offense and even implemented many of his tactics on their teams. They would sit
with him and discuss football and were continuously astonished at his insight
why a play broke down and what needed to be done to correct it. He accomplished
a great deal as an undersized QB in college and in the NFL. It was because of
his insight and knowledge that he played as many years in the NFL that he did.
If you are going to be a true BYU fan how about becoming a truly
knowledgeable BYU fan. One who reads more than just the DN, but accessed
multiple media and pays attention. That is my knock on my fellow BYU fans. Too
many knee-jerk reactions. Again, as far as Doman is concerned
those who are calling for his head have never had to deal with a very weak
offensive line who could not keep a newly born toddler out of the QB's
face. Please don't get me started on Riley.
You can't lay the blame on Doman. Doman had to try and figure out how to
execute a play when his offensive line was more pourous than a sieve and could
not hold defensive players out of the backfield. The play blew up before it
started. Then we had a QB who did not truly understand honesty.
When asked if he was ready he said yes, then went out on the field and showed he
was not truly healthy enough to play. You can be gutsy and courageous, but it
still won't overcome physical handicaps. You cannot execute plays when you
are injured that you execute when healthy. Reilly hurt the team by saying he
was ready when he really wasn't. He was in it to show how gutsy he was,
not a team player. I lay the blame for our losses to ND, SJ, Ute and BSU
squarely on his shoulders. OSU was a team loss. The offensive line
needs to sit down and talk with the defense and figure out why they achieved,
despite some injuries. The offense was probably the worst I have ever seen at
My choice is for Andy Reid as OC, with Detmer as QB coach and for goodness sakes
have the offense work with whoever the defensive conditioning coach is. Andy
would likely only be around a couple seasons before the NFL comes calling and
recycling another former coach. Hopefully by then Detmer would be ready to take
over as OC
I agree with everyone else's comments. Doman has to go. He has been the
weakest link. Stop feeling obligated to keep him. He should go to another
school, best a JC for at least 3 to 5 years to really work on his position.
Frankly, he stunk. Heck, why not hire me to be the offensive coordinator? I
don't have the experience, but I can learn on the job (just like Doman) and
can't do any worse. I love the Blue, but I see Red when I watch this
offense for the last two years. It's been nothing less than
'offensive' to the eyes. Get a strong QB and stick with him, unless he
fails. The offense needs a major overhaul and it should begin with Doman packing
his bags and cleaning out his locker.
@CWEBRegarding Max Hall, he was 2-1 versus Utah. He is also the winningest
QB in BYU history. Yeah, he blew it in 2008 against Utah; Unga and Tonga ran for
about 250 yards and it was the picks, fumbles, and a personal foul by Hall that
wrecked it. But how many BYU QBs in the last 20 years have won 3 times against
Utah? Hall was accurate. He struggled against TCU, but against that defense so
did a lot of other pocket passers. Riley Nelson scored more points in 2011
against TCU than Heaps (2010), Hall (2009), and Hall (2008) COMBINED.Riley
Nelson sacrificed his health for the entertainment (and sometimes frustration)
of Cougar Nation. My thanks to him for all the great moments; they
outnumber the frustrating ones.
I can't help but think that if Riley Nelson had suffered a career ending
knee injury on the last play of the USU game last year, I would have spent the
last 15 months reading about how the loss of the miracle worker QB who saved BYU
against the Aggies was the reason behind the BYU's stagnant offense. Truth is everyone's crystal ball seems much clearer when you can
speculate without any need for objectivity or accountability. What
I know is that the defense is overachieving and I'm happy to see Mendenhall
spend his time trying to make sure that remains the case. There's no one answer to the offense, although upgrading the talent
can't hurt. And talent isn't just physical...desire is a talent as
well. As Hoffman proved this year, a physically talented athlete with a high
motor and a good sttitude can prosper in any environment. He obviously
didn't have the attitude that he couldn't excel because he had a
subpar quarterbacks and an OC trying to find his identity.
I have a revelation! I don't know what is wrong. Is Doman the problem? Were
injuries what brought down the offense? Was the debacle with Heaps what
ultimately brought us down? I do know a few things: The defense is fabulous and
the offense is terrible and excuses are for losers. FIX IT!! That's not my
job nor do I feel competent to prescribe the correct medicine. But, what we are
currently doing is not working
Bronco heeded fan complaints when he fired Robert Anae and replaced him with
Doman. Sure, Doman's worse than Anae, but is Bronco likely to commit the
same mistake twice with his offensive coordinator position? It's a tougher
call the second time around.
Doman a good QB coach? No way. I am sure Mendenhall will not fire him.
He's got that loyalty thing going on with him like Nelson.
The offense has not improved since former OC Robert Anae and BYU parted ways.
Doman's offense is not imaginative, he couldn't help blue-chipper Jake
Heaps progress, and I'm worried he'll do the same with Taysom Hill and
Tanner Magnum. It has to change. It appears BYU can recruit well, they just
need to be able to coach those recruits to succcess.
@ Cougar AlumniThese are not the 1980's anymore. Its a
different college football these days, even when Lavell retired 12 years ago
(6-6 record.) Holmoe and Bronco have done great things for BYU and will continue
to do so. Make an argument were being in the MWC is better than being Indy.
riley nelson simply never was a college QB. I personally watched open practice
in 2010 and he was the 4th best QB on the team behind Heap, Lark and Munns. He
was maybe 3rd or 4th best on this year's team. He should've stayed on
special teams. riley nelson's legacy will be a 4-5 record at QB his senior
year. Simply awful by BYU's standards. He's definitely one of the
worst QBs ever to play at BYU, healthy or not.
I love Brandon Doman ,But its time to hold Brandon accountable for
the QB mistakes. Starting Jake Heaps was inexcusable why not develop the kid let
him redshirt one year compete for the back up QB position one year and let him
Start for 3 years. Brandon Doman put all his eggs in Riley Nelsons
empty basket , if you cant judge talent you cant be an offensive coordinator.
Assistant head Coach Lance Reynolds retired why not move Brandon
to the the assistant Head Coach , and make him the Recruiting coordinator
Brandon is a Great Recruiter. One more year of this anemic offense
and most of the Offensive coaches will be fired and Bronco with them.
"Cougar ClawsLindon, UTBrandon Doman also does great things for
BYU as a recruiter which often get overlooked. Let's just see what he can
do with a real QB after his first couple seasons and reserve judgement until
then."Some else on this article said we need to give Doman the
benefit of the doubt. That's what he's been given and he's not
getting it done. If he's a great recruiter, that's great! BYU needs
to continue recruiting the best players. So, let him do that and coach the
QB's. As an OC, he's a disaster and it needs to be immediately
corrected before the 2013 season begins, not at its end.
It seems as though Harmon lets his respect and admiration for his friends on the
coaching staff to cause him to suffer from Bronco-itis, which is, being so loyal
to a person that it prevents him from seeing the truth and making the tough
decisions that are in the best interest of the team as a whole. He justifies
Domans under-performance by citing all the injuries to the o-line. It's
like he’s saying Doman was unable to implement the game plan he would have
if everyone was healthy. Keep in mind that this is a problem going on three
years. And this year we also have a series of poor decisions and bone headed
play calling to consider. Getting Hill needlessly injured by calling a running
play instead of having him take a knee, which any other competent OC would have
done, is reason enough to fire Doman by itself. So, Doman needs to
go. He's the Riley Nelson of offensive coordinators. He tries really hard
and is a great guy and Mendenhall loves him for it. But, he’s hurting the
team by staying the OC.
While serving my LDS mission, my mission president (a very wealthy oil man from
Wyoming)gave us this advice: "Many of you will become managers in your
future careers. When you get a new assignment and take over a new organization,
don't change anything you don't have to change. It disrupts
everything. Wait a while (like a year) and once you know why things are done the
way they are done, then phase in your changes."Coach Doman
changed the entire offense. Jake Heaps was doing great at the close of his
freshman year, then something changed. It was the Offensive Coordinator and the
entire offensive scheme along with it.I work with a relative of Jake
Heaps. They inform me that Jake went to the coaching staff and said that they
needed to make changes because what they were doing was not working. They
finally made the exact changes that Jake suggested but only after Riley was in
and Jake was out.Doman is a good QB coach. He might make a good OC,
but not yet. He needs more experience.BYU needs a Norm Chow type as their
OC. Look for a change at that position.
Re: Cougar Claws "I really think Brandon Doman should be given the benefit
of a doubt until after 2013. In all seriousness, look what he has had to deal
with at QB." Typical "happy valley" fan. You've got 3 years
body of work yet you want to give him another chance. Doman is the OC. HE's
the one who makes the decision on the QB and other offensive players- certainly
not Bronco with all the attention he gives to the defense. So, Claws, I will
give you some credit. Correct, look at what he's had to deal with at QB
.... but look at how Doman has mishandled and actually contributed to the QB
situation. Another year try, huh?
Too bad that the uncontrollable circumstances of injury etc can get a man fired.
That coaching.One thing is clear, change is needed.BYU
needs a proven OC. It would be nice if Doman can stay involved but maybe that
wont happen. Dont overlook the importance of recruiting in these decisions. BYU
seems to be changing the type of QB they recruit (added running ability) as all
of college teams are trying to do. Will that stay the same with another OC?
Probably. The offensive line certainly needs attention but does that require a
new coach? I dont think Mr Wong is the man to do it. I guess we
Doman is in over his head.Keep him on staff if he desires, but BYU cannot
afford any more of this nonsense.He goes or 8k season ticket holders stay
home next year.
I love Detmer and his skill as a BYU QB. But he has no experience as a college
OC. Great players aren't necessarily great coaches. Case in point--Mike
Singletary as coach for the 49ers. One of the best ever to play the position of
middle linebacker. But as a coach, he was awful.I, too, thought
Doman should be given one more year. But I have changed my mind. Sure he had a
weak O-line and injuries, and subpar QB's, but his decision-making and play
calling have been very puzzling. He seems to have a limited repertoire in game
situations and a tendency to keep trying the same plays over and over again
thinking he'll get a different result. It's like he has a short
circuit in his brain and keeps falling back to the same plays every time he is
befuddled. I trust Holmoe. I think he has done a great job. I also
think Bronco needs to stay on as HC ). But as much as I like Doman, I think we
need to get a new OC with experience and a proven track record. But keep Doman
Having Riley Nelson gone could be enough to make the offense great once again.
Now they can play as a team and not rely on an incompetent glory hound!
Re: Jeff29"For all of those questioning Detmer's
credentials, you do know that he called most of his own plays as a junior in
senior in college and that for 8 of the 14 years in the NFL he was essentially
the QB coach / Asst OC, right?"Play calling as a quarterback is
not the same thing as being an OC. Detmer won three games in his first two
seasons as a head coach in HS football, I don't see bringing him in as an
untested OC as a solution to the myriad problems facing BYU's stagnant
offense. In fact, isn't that the number one hit against Doman, that he was
a smart QB and a decent QB coach but an inexperienced and untested OC? I vote
for moving Doman back to QB coach and bringing in some experience for the O-Line
Look for Weber to be the fall guy.
How many times have we heard this? BYU comes up short and immediately the fans
want a new Quarterback, and/or a new Offensive Coordinator. Nobody is going to
have instant results. There was nothing wrong with Robert Anae or Jake Heaps but
the fans drove both of them out of town. You'll never have a great team if
you can roll with the punches during the hard times.
I have to chuckle at all of the fans who can only look at the past and say that
today isn't good enough. I'm glad I'm not in your mindset.
Bronco is a great coach and will create a great legacy in this century. Doman
is coming of age as an OC and if he's given the proper players to work with
will do a great job. He had to call plays that a weak o-line could handle for a
constantly changing QB rotation.I trust Bronco to make the correct
changes but I won't be calling for anyone's head! I'm still
proud to be a Cougar and will support them through good seasons and bad.
The problem with the offense is two things. Bringing in an offensive
coordinator with zero experience. Not other organization in the country would
give the most critical position to someone with no experience. Second,
Bronco's playing Riley Nelson who could never do the job just because he
liked him rather than because he was the best. The combination of thw two has
made the last 3 years a disaster. Maybe they are related. A rookie OC might
knuckle under and play Bronco's favorite guy. Robert Anae made a freshman
Jake Heaps a bowl game star. Without Robert, Jake suddenly "snaped"
balls over his head & had no time to throw. Bronco wanted Jake out and he
got his way. We traded a quaterback with great potential for one that had no
potential. The offense struggled and will struggle again with Doman in charge.
We won't see a strong offensive coordinator under Bronco. Bronco is a
great defensive coordinator, but not a head coach.
It is clear that the offense has gone off the rails. Firing Anae seems in
retrospect to have been a bad decision. Doman was an option QB who pulled out a
miracle finish vs Utah and played the next year for Crowton, the author of the
gimmick offense that got worse every year. Doman's offensive stats look a
lot like Crowton's. Frustration and failure.True that Detmer
was an unpaid assistant coach in the pros, but he has never run an offense at
the collegiate level. Detmer would be a gamble.True that Bronco has
produced the best defense BYU has ever had. Maybe the best defense I've
ever seen. True that Bronco is working well with the missionary problem and has
greatly upgraded the recruiting and the strength and conditioning. Amazing how
few injuries the defense had compared to the offense.Bronco must
stay and Holmoe must find a great OC. One who can work with Bronco and who can
find, recruit and play the best players. Hmmm. That should be easy.
I am saddened by the early retirement of Lance Reynolds. After a full year of
offensive underachievement forcing the retirement of the TE coach is NOT the
answer. If anything, he is the one man who rose up and did his job as he has for
the last 30 years. I just hope BYU Administration does the right thing in
managing his early retirement. Moving forward, figure out how to
integrate Louis Wong and Max Hall. Max is the only coach the QBs respect and
Wong is not only a great coach but BYU needs to maintain a strong recruiting
effort within the Polynesian community.
One of the ESPN commentators made the comment that he would like to see even a
glimpse of the BYU quarterback of old. And so do all of us. What say you Bronco
For all of those questioning Detmer's credentials, you do know that he
called most of his own plays as a junior in senior in college and that for 8 of
the 14 years in the NFL he was essentially the QB coach / Asst OC, right?
Cleveland, Atlanta, and Philadelphia all paid him a lot of money to mentor young
QB's and assist with the offense; he was not in any of those places to
This article is almost laughable. Doman's names isn't even mentioned
until the end of the article. "The past three seasons have been defined by
controversial QB time-sharing, QB injuries, playing injured QBs and hoping
things work." Dick, you were on Nelson's case pretty good during the
season. Why not the same approach to an inept offensive coordinator? What you
described in this sentance is a head coach who doesn't take control of
"the team" and an offensive coordinator who is well in over his head.
So, looks like the offensive woes are at the feet of our OLine coach? Come on.
Coach Bronco should make the tough call and replace Doman and then be a
"head coach" of the entire team. How I wish I saw his same passion
towards the offense and the offensive players.
Doman has to go. Let's not drag this out for another year or so.
Dick, do you have any insight on why Coach Mendenhall will not replace Doman as
OC? Is this an extreme loyalty issue? This is the obvious place many fans are
looking for a change, but you put your emphasis on the OL coach. Seems like a
topic the Deseret News staff does not want to touch. Thanks.
Your comments are fine as far as they go, but don't really point out the
glaring absence of solid offensive play calling by Doman. In the last game, even
the announcers were pointing out that screen passes into the flat--time and time
again--were getting the team nowhere. That's just one example. Brandon is
too predictable with his play calling! Good teams also have more speed to use
against us on defense than we have on offense, so we have a hard time running as
well as passing the ball. Sure we had no offensive line, no superior
quarterback, and no field-goal kicker, but we also lacked a good offensive play
Dick, I believe your article is spot on, BUT consideration needs to be given for
the glaring fact that the program as a whole needs to be revamped, Its broken;
Tom Holmoe needs to go, he created the Indy Follies, Bronco is a phenomenal DC
but lets face it, he's not a head coach, he has created a circus act,
adorned with silly T-shirts. Doman was never a OC and never will be. Lets face
it Cougar Nation, the BYU of old has faded in the shadows of Lavell. Its time to
step back and really look at the direction of what once was GREAT football
program and figure out how to get it back on track. If it continues on the
stadium will continue to show empty seats on those cold Thursday night games.
Go ahead, bring Detmer on. Within two to three years, you will all be calling
for his job too! It is too bad that BYU has the most fickle fans around! BYU
will never have another NC in Provo, the game has changed significantly since
'84. In the same breath, I will offer that Utah will never be more than a
mid-tiered Pac12 team. Arguing about these two programs is like arguing about
Buicks and Hyundais. They are both adequate cars, but nothing to get excited
about, go ahead, bring Detmer in to drive your Buick. Your car won't
magically transform to a Toyota, let alone a Mercedes.
To my knowledge, Detmer has no experience coaching at this level. He would be
another Domanesque experiment.
It was polite, but weak of Harmon not to mention the obvious: BRANDON DOMAN HAS
TO GO! He re-wrote the book on the BYU offense, and the offense has
been terrible ever since. So bad, that likely future NFL player Jake Heaps had
to leave and go somewhere where he could develop as a player.Doman
is a good guy; just a terrible, and I mean terrible Offensive Coordinator. The offense will not recover until he and his schemes are gone.
Brandon Doman also does great things for BYU as a recruiter which often get
overlooked. Let's just see what he can do with a real QB after his first
couple seasons and reserve judgement until then.
I love Ty Detmer as a QB. I might even love him as a coach...someday. But for
him to be a major college football OC is lunacy at this point. A QB
Wonder. would Ty Detmer be interested? Brandon--great man. I am happy to see
the Riley Nelson era complete. What if Lark had been given two years at the
helm, developing his tenacious pocket presence? I was impressed as the wave of
black swarmed him all night. Riley could have been a great leader
in the defense.I hope "someone" steps up and recognizes the
hidden talents at Quarterback. Seems LaVell and his coaches were pretty sharp on
that question.Not a big Max Hall fan. He keeps getting mentioned
with the really good BYU quarterbacks. Just can't shake that performance
at Utah--big mess up. Glad he is gone.Love what Bronco has done
with the Defense. Love what he represents to the young men and the school and
the program. He seems to need to read less "self-improvement" books and
spend a lot more off-season time picking the brains of great Offensive Minds!
If Bronco never mentions another self-help book, I'll be eternally
grateful!Here is to hoping the learning curve is finished as of this
year...time to move on Offense!! Cheers!
Doman staying? Oh my heck...
I really think Brandon Doman should be given the benefit of a doubt until after
2013. In all seriousness, look what he has had to deal with at QB. I don't
think for a second that he has wanted to call plays for a left handed fullback.
I think the QB mess was a weird loyalty thing that Bronco got himself into, and
thank goodness it is finally dead. Let's hope we don't get a recruit
like that who wants to play QB again! As far as changes needed for the offense,
I think if anyone should be fired it's the O-line coach. The line has under
performed now for at least two seasons. They play like girls at times in the run
game. We need a good line coach like we had in Coach Grimes in 2006.
I am totally on side with Ty Detmer as OC.
Dick has stated the obvious. I wish he had some real insights he could/would
share with us. As a fan since 1969 it is hard to watch mediocre play several
games a season from the offense. And it makes one wonder why we paid the
necessary cash out-of-pocket to see a game in Texas the Cougars could have won.
At least I didn't attend the game in South Bend this year. After going to
all the bowl games in Las Vegas and the one in New Mexico, I skippd San Diego
this year. With only 35,000 in attendance, most of them from SDSU, it appears
my decision wasn't unique. I may be accused of being a fair-weather fan,
but after 43 years of watching the Cougars (before Lavell was head coach) I have
a fair idea of when they are playing up to their potential and when they are
not. For independence to work, they bettter improve the Offense and do it right
away. And if that means different coaches to avoid last-minute injuries (QB
Hill) or whatever else (i.e. better line performance and play-calling), then
just do it!!
Thank heavens the Riley Neilson era is over. Let the Taysom Hill era begin. Cody
Hoffman might decide to stay once he realizes Taysom can make him a star
prospect for the NFL. As for Brandon Doman? I would start looking for a
replacement like Ty Detmer. Ty could really help the Cougar offense.