Utah GOP House caucus gets emotional over response to deadly shooting

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  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    To "the truth"
    First of all the worst school massacre was in 1927, was in Bath Township, MI near Lansing, caused the death of 45 including 38 children and was done by a member of the school board who had planned for over a year to commit this act of atrocity. Yea, I agree it's hard to outlaw crazy and where there is a will there is a way but, when it's easier to get access to guns than it is to get adequate mental health care, we have a problem.

    You conclude by advocating for mandatory gun education. Do you support mandatory sex education? I imagine you don't. Why, because it will cause students to think about something they shouldn't and then they might do it. Using the same logic, what would gun education do?

    I agree that we need to somehow change peoples minds about killing others but we aren't going to do it by making access to guns easier.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 7:01 p.m.


    IN the 1950's, in boston I believe, an arsonist burned a school house killing over 90 children.

    Mcveigh used a truck load of fertilizer,

    There are many many other examples of mass killings and attacks without guns,

    and man many more were there are Gun bans like England, NOrway, Chicago,

    Bad guys will always find guns or away,

    Guns are not the problem.

    Killers will find a way to kill, disarming and making defenseless law-abiding citizens fixes nothing.

    There are over 20,000 gun laws and regulations on the book in the US,

    how would another law or regulation change anything?

    We need to find why out people are resorting to killing.

    We need to change hearts and minds, not laws.

    It is a culture that has devalued life (abortion)

    removed God and Religion form the public square,

    Removed values and morals from our society.

    Mandatory Gun education, that teaches respect for guns, in schools would be a far better start.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 1:07 p.m.


    "If only there had been an armed teacher in the school I think at least some lives would have been saved."

    That armed teacher would have been shooting a pistol at a fast-moving target wearing body armor and firing a semi-automatic rifle.

    Who do you think wins that fight?

  • Lledrav West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    I was sickened and infuriated again last night as I watched an interview with a teacher at the Sandy Hook school. She said she huddled with her class and just listened to the spaced and steady "pops" continue for 20 minutes or more. There is no way it took 20 minutes to get a cop to the school! When did the first responders arrive? What were they doing? Crouched outside the doors till the shooting stopped like they did at Columbine? No one wants to criticize the police response. If only there had been an armed teacher in the school I think at least some lives would have been saved.

  • Kirk R Graves West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    It is best that laws (those things that stick around for a very long time and have far reaching effects we don't always see), be created when emotion is not running high. Not only do I commend the GOP Caucus for their care in this matter, I expect the Democrat Caucus is doing the same right now. Both bodies are made up of the best and brightest Utah has to offer. I expect they all realize that a hasty decision is always a bad decision.
    As for the helmet law, I have a simple philosophy on that. "Any law that is designed to protect me from me, has no place being a law".

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    When the 2nd Amendment was written and approved as part of the constitution, the right to bear arms meant the right to own Flintlock weapons. I don't think there are to many people today that think that is a bad thing. But when you have someone shoot up an elementary school with "legal" semi-automatic guns with 30 shot clips it causes me to seriously reconsider what the right to bear arms means.

    There are over 36000 deaths per year as a result of firearms, 18000 of them are suicides. That figures out to about 50 suicides a day where a gun was used. Would there be that many suicides per day if it was harder to get a gun?

    Finally in Newtown, CT there were 20 children shot in basically one classroom. If it had happened in Utah it would have been a lot more. The school in CT had locked doors and a buzz in system, in other words it was secure. The Tragedy still happened though. So, the solution is much more complicated then guns, schools, or God. We need to have an open honest dialog across party lines to solve this.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Dec. 19, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    Well done? Well done what? A few public tears and "reverent" meetings will assuage the current "shock and awe" until the American public moves on to the next distraction. From gutting treatment funding for the mentally ill, to allowing as many unregulated assault weapons as one wants, this tragedy is the result of well-funded lobbyists and so-called conservatives. If this body were truly concerned about conserving life and limb, they wouldn't be promoting a no-helmet rule. Prudent safety measures, that help to protect the individual, as well as the public who ends up paying for those with serious head injuries, should be obviously more important than the "right" to the freedom to have the wind blowing through your hair. Sometimes, people are too selfish or too ignorant to make important decisions without guidance.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    The only things that can prevent these tragedies from occurring again are:

    1- Morals and Ethics education (A return to religion would not hurt.)
    2- An end to the culture of violence in America, to include severe restrictions on media that glamorize and glorify killing, showing graphic violence and desensitizing our youth to it.
    3- Taking care of our mentally ill Brothers (I would say sisters, too, which is a need, but this list is aimed at curbing violent crime, and when was the last time a girl shot up a school?)

    Unfortunately, under the guise of liberty, we do not restrict violent first person shooter video games, or give movies with graphic violence an X rating.
    Under the guise of tolerance, we have spiritually and morally neutered our populace.
    Under the guise of 'public service' we have spent our tax money on all the wrong things.

    Even if we really wanted to prevent these horrific events from ever happening again, we as a people lack the moral fortitude to do what it takes to treat the disease, and instead will continually act to treat the symptoms. Even if we wanted to, the right changes would take decades to work.

  • History Nut Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    In the end they will do nothing about guns, nothing about mental health, and, as we've already seen, nothing about education; just talk and emotional posturing for the public.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:00 a.m.

    Nobody is pushing for a total ban on guns. I'm tired of hearing that.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 19, 2012 12:39 a.m.

    Anyone heard or read how the mother of this shooter stored her guns? This type of gun has to be kept in a certified gun safe.

    Also, as part of the review to help those with mental illneses, those familys where these people live will need to remove their guns or again, certify that they are kept safe from them in a secure gun safe.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    I wish the pandering prevaricating politicians in Washington had the sensible and rational approach that our legislators are showing.

    This is not an easy problem, and the knee jerk "solutions" many are proposing in Washington are merely an opportunistic implementation of goals they have secretly been pushing for decades- mainly a total ban on guns, probably in some incremental fashion. Ignoring the hard evidence that the various schemes they push have been tried and failed every time.

    Well done, Republican legislature caucus!

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:28 p.m.

    As a moderate Democrat to hear the female Speaker of the House offer compassion and expression of concern for the suffering of others, it really makes me glad so far to have her as leader of our Utah House.