Jimmer watch: Fredette sees steady minutes, unsteady production

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  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 5:41 p.m.


    Good post, I assumed your earlier post was stating that Jimmer wasn't as good as Reddick. When you said that you wouldn't lump him in with Reddick I must have misunderstood.

    Emery was a much better shooter until Davies was suspended. In the Big Dance, he didn't shoot near as well as the Cougars needed. One other player that was probably in Jimmer's shadow was Hartsock.

    See you next week on the Jimmer/Lillard Watch

  • Born in Provo Logan, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    Interesting that this article written possibly less than a day before Jimmer scores 22 point in 22 minutes.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    Glad to hear Lillard doing great on his rookie season and hoping he will get the award.

    FREE JIMMER. Kieth Smart either go or Jimmer transfer to another NBA team.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Rather than spouting cliches about Jimmer's pros and cons, let's look at something real I haven't seen mentioned on these boards: His +/-. For those unfamiliar with this stat, it answers the question of "did your team outscore the other team while you were on the floor"? In the end, that's the only stat that matters, right?

    It's only really useful when comparing players on one team, because naturally a player's +/- is going to look better if he's on a good team. I like the stat because (1) it's easy to understand, as opposed to measures like PER, and (2) it captures results of both offense and defense.

    A look at Sacramento's +/- numbers show that Jimmer is the only guy on their roster with a positive number this year (+8). The bottom? The guy he's supposedly competing with for minutes, Thornton, at a -129. Yes, a good portion of Jimmer's minutes so far have been in garbage time, but not to the extent some of you seem to believe. Bottom line . . when Jimmer's been in the game, the Kings have been a much better team.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:05 a.m.


    Because the NBA is poor when it comes to defense, it makes players who are good at defense that much better. Players can still be a liability when it comes defense. I think Jimmmer would be a liability against starters--he is fine coming off the bench. Lillard has some work to do on the defensive side against starters--but he can still more than make up for it with his other skills.

    I am not saying Jimmer is not in Reddick's league. I am saying that Reddick played in a much more structured college game which crossed over to the NBA. Jimmer was allowed to try and create and take a majority of the shots--which no team would allow a rookie to do, unless extraordinary circumstances.

    I think Jimmer's teammates fell in the shadows of Jimmermania. I think Emery was an excellent shooter, and Davies was still a big key down low. The coaches that realized this and didn't double Jimmer had better success. Sure Jimmer got a lot of points, but the open looks for Emery and other players weren't there.

    Point taken on the guards.

    Your friend in O-town!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    Can we please change these updates to daily instead of weekly? It really pains me to have to wait a week.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    Jimmer is the 5th best guard on the Kings.
    Stats don't show how poorly he defends either.
    If he can barely find minutes on the worst team in the league (most coming when they are getting blown off of the court), he won't find minutes if he ever plays for a decent team.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 6:13 p.m.


    Your comment verbatim "Defense in the NBA isn't too much of an emphasis compared to college..."

    If defense isn't an emphasis in the NBA (a theory I agree with). Why do you, motorbike and many others continue to use this as a crux of why the Jimmer is not playing?

    As for not comparing Jimmer with Reddick. Go back and check the stats, Reddick's stats are similar to Jimmer's in his first couple of seasons and Reddick was in a much better situation. Saying that Jimmer isn't in another bench players "league" is incorrect.

    Jimmer did what had to be done at BYU. Unlike Reddick, he didn't play with multiple future NBA players i.e. Luol Deng, Sheldon Williams, Chris Duhon. Maybe it has hurt him in the NBA, but it was necessary.

    Thanks for naming five guards, although Kevin Martin and Jamal Crawford are shooting guards, not point guards.

    Cheers to you my friend

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 4:29 p.m.


    Defense in the NBA isn't too much of an emphasis compared to college, but if you are looking for five good defensive point guards, I would suggest Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Jamal Crawford, Mike Conely, and Tony Parker. They are up there in steals, +/-, rebounds for guards, etc.

    Jimmer does alright on defense when he is playing against reserves. Playing against starters is a whole different thing. Lillard defense is not stellar, but he makes up for it with his offense, passing, and some intangibles against starters.

    I agree mostly with your point about Jimmer, but I wouldn't lump him in with JJ Reddick. Reddick's college game was a little more controlled and team-oriented, which crosses over to the NBA better. Jimmer was allowed to go wild, which didn't do him any favors preparing him for the NBA.

    I agree with you about Lillard--hope he wins Rookie of the Year. I hope Jimmer gets on a new team, but I think it's not a cure all like many think. He is making strides, but will have some more learning years ahead.


  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Lillard had a monster game against the Spurs. I hope he wins rookie of the year and becomes a strong player for years to come in the NBA. Its nice to see coverage of both players.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    @Motorbike and Wildcat

    I believe it will be challenging for Jimmer to find a place in this league. It took JJ Reddick a couple of seasons to find a niche and I see Jimmer as a similar player: A good role player who can affect the game with the deep ball.

    Could you please name five point guards in the league right now, that are known to be strong defenders? D-Will certainly wasn't while here in Utah, Steve Nash is so-so and Chris Paul like Damian Lillard can be a liability down low against bigger points. Stephon Curry, JJ Barea, Ty Lawson, and even our own Mo Williams are a few more examples of more offensively minded guards.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    Amen motorbike on both your comments.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    @David Ricardo

    "He has a higher shooting percentage and player efficiency rating than Lillard."

    Against other 2nd and 3rd stringers. And let's remember the defensive liability. Not trying to hate on Jimmer, just keeping it real. I still believe Jimmer could find a spot to be more productive somewhere in this league, but it's not as easily done as most on these Jimmer threads want to believe.

  • David Ricardo Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    JimmyRay, Jimmer's 3-pt, 2-pt, free throw percentages and player efficiency rating are all higher than the Kings average. He has a higher shooting percentage and player efficiency rating than Lillard.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    Finally we get some "Lillard Watch" even if it can't make the title of the article. Fantastic week for the rookie of the year.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Well done Brandon! It's nice to be able to follow Lillard and his stats as well. I look forward to reading the weekly update on both players.

  • JimmyRay Greenfield, IN
    Dec. 17, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Did the media want to know why Jimmer entered the game at all? Did you pay attention to that shooting percentage? A player with those stats isn't going to be demanding starting minutes or minutes at all.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    Way to go Brandon! Great idea highlighting both of these guys. Lillard had a great game and Jimmer will eventually find his place in the league. Let's keep cheering on both our local legends.