@fenderAs a coach I've learned that you simply can't
please everyone, there are always more players than positions on the field and
some players are better than others. I have to admit though that the insistance
of continuing to play Nelson when he was obivously not getting the job done for
whatever reason, and to not give an opportunity to an apparently capable other
player, has been more than curious. I've heard all of the conspiracy
stories of course, and I have expressed my frustration with the fact that
regardless of Nelson's performance he was constantly given chance after
chance. I really would like to know what was supposedly done that
was mistreatment of Lark. It doesn't appear that the Dnews will allow that
to be posted so I'll just have to reserve opinion on that until I can hear
what occured.But I really do hope Lark gets the start in the bowl
game, I think his performance against NMSU was enough for him to deserve it and
Nelson's performance over the season has shown him to be lacking.
@runnerguy50I'ver now tried twice to respond to you telling you
what team I coach and the comment has been denied by the dnews. The email I got
says my comments were "off topic and disruptive" although I am not sure
why since all I did was say who it is I coach. Not sure what to say beyond that
since it doesn't appear they are going to let me do it.
I have to laugh to think that Mendenhall or Doman would apologize about any of
the glaring mistakes they have made and the decision to play anybody but Lark is
the worst. I have to ask the coaches on here a question, hasn't it been
obvious that Nelson was not a D1 QB? I'm not a coach but I played football
and a lifelong fan and Nelson is one of the worst D1 QB's I've seen.
There is no logical reason to not have given Lark playing time going back to
last year. So I have to ask is the decision not to play Lark being made by 2
coaches not qualified to coach D1 football or is it personal?? It's one or
Duckhunter, what team do you coach ?
@DuckhunterYou've got it right. I think everybody who has
coached and has followed this drama over the past three years is on the same
page here. You don't apologize simply for making the sometimes difficult
decision about who plays or doesn't. After watching Heaps, Nelson and Lark
and and hearing what a couple of BYU players I coached had to say about the
situation, I was very surprised that James didn't play, but it was
Mendenhall's right to make that call.With regard, however, to
what Amorphous said, I too heard some comments by several of Lark's
teammates about his treatment. It's hearsay and I'm not going to
attempt to recite any of it here, but if the substance of it is close to the
truth, then, yes; at the very least an apology is due. I think we all know
that's not going to happen. James has proven to be the bigger man and in
the game of life that's really what matters
@AmorphousEverything I have ever seen from Lark confirms your
assertions about his character. He appears to be a fine young man. I wish him
well and I do hope he gets the opportunity to play in the bowl game.
Paying off? That's what the BYU coaching staff wants to believe after
they've sacrificed this young man's collegiate promise (and possible
pro career). Perhaps Lark himself is invested in believing that his one start
(after ALL other options had been injured or exhausted) is the pay off he had
worked for. The truth is that it is too little, too late, only highlighting the
potential this kid had that the coaching staff squandered instead of
To all of the above: Take a deep breath and let the coaches decide. There are
too many arm chair coaches. Instead lament and speculate why the
high and mighty Utes are not playing a bowl game this year. Think about how
jolly the holiday is for them and all their fans!
Duck,Well, unless we meet in person some day, which is obviously not
likely, I will not be able to tell you. I have tried to post it many times but
have not been approved any of them. Suffice it to say that James has, as
he says in the article, learned many lessons. He has displayed humility and
patience beyond his years. If I say any more than that it won't make it to
@runnerguyActually I am a pretty successful coach and I have
apologized to players on many occasions when I felt I treated them unfairly or
got after them more than I should have. I have never apologized to a player
because I made the decsion to go with someone else as my starter, and doubt I
ever will. If coaches did that they would be apologizing to the majority of the
players on their team every single week. That just isn't how it is and it
is not in the best interest of the team. You want your players to compete, week
after week, you want them to remain motivated and ready. Apologizing to them
because they are not as good as another player in your opinion would be pretty
detrimental to a teams moral. It just isn't a good way to manage your
team.But as I told Amorphous, if Lark was in someway mistreated that
I am not aware of I would like to hear what it is and then I can make a more
educated statement about it. But based on what I know there is no apology
@AmorphousWell I am not privy to how he has been treated if indeed
he has been badly treated. I would like to know if he has been and specifically
what has been done to him. But all I have seen is that the coaches decided to go
with someone else. Now you and I can think that was the wrong decision, and I
can tell you I have my doubts that Riley was really the better guy, but that
just means Mendenhall and Doman are poor judges of the talent they had, not that
they personally mistreated Lark to the point that he is due an apology.So if he has been mistreated in some way, and not simply passed over for
another player because the coaches felt the other guy was the better option,
then I would be very interested to know what occured.
Re: SundanceKid27The only problem with that school of thought is
that 'Rudy' didn't play because he had zero talent and athletic
ability. Sort of like the injured version of Riley Nelson ironically. At BYU
Rudy actually plays pretty often. Not at all the case with James Lark. Lark has
raw NFL potential with his arm, his overall strength, and his mobility. Lark is
like a not as fast, but better passing version of Taysom Hill. Same NFL type
body, big and strong, and smart. But, could be an NFL prospect had he been
properly coached up and his career put to good use. I know James has no chance
as a potential draft pick, but given his skills, could he have a shot at making
an NFL roster as a free agent? Does Lark have plans to give scouts a look or the
NFL a shot? Looking forward to the future of Taysom Hill, though. He
could certainly be an NFL guy if he stays healthy and continues to develop his
passing game. The fact that he has already done what he has as a true freshman
is pretty exciting.
They can make the new Rudy movie after this season. Guy is back up for a 4
years and finally gets a start on the last regular season game. Does very well.
Bowl game he is on the bench again. Music Starts and roll those credits. End
Duck is typical of many unsuccessful coaches. Not willing to admit fault and
acknowledge a coach can make terrible choices that in college can cost a guy a
career. Of course they should apologize.
Lark is all class. I wish I could say the same about his coaches.
I’m not agry that we have a 7-5 season.I’m not angry that we
lost close games to ND, Utah, Boise State, San Jose State, and hung tuff vs.
Oregon State before falling to them as well.I will not be angry if
we have a 6-6 season next year with the toughest schedule that BYU has ever had.
It is exciting to watch games that BYU plays vs. the Big Guys, while it is
boring watching them beat up on the little guys. So bring all all comers from
the big boys and by pass the boring give me games, i.e. Idaho, et.al.What I am angry about is one of two things, and I’m not sure which:1. The bias shown for one player at the expense of another more deserving
player, (talent wise), while both players are equal seniors.2.
Without bias, but with a total inability to recognize talent, teach and develop
talent, like the one they ran off, a 5 star QB to Washington, and sit
a truly gifted senior, Lark, on the bench while playing another far
less gifted senior even when injured.
@duckhunter & AmorphusWhy an apology? Not because they chose a
better player in their eyes to start when Riley went down, but rather because
they told Lark they would play him if Riley went down. When Riley went down they
chose to train a freshman rather than keep their word. I have never
been a coach (except for little league) so I can't talk from that
perspective. But I have done some research on Vince Lombardi and John Wooden to
learn more about leadership in general. One common trait of these
legendary coaches was the capacity to apologize both individually and
collectively to players.As a fan I only know what is public
information and BYU coaches stated publicly that Lark would get the start if
Riley went down and Lark was the listed backup until Riley went down. Then a
last minute switch was made to put the freshman in.Perhaps Lark has
already been apologized to. I hope so. If not I believe it is unfortunate
Lark produced, in the game, against woeful NMSU.Hopefully, he will have an
opportunity to do the same, against a much better team.
Bronco Mendenhal and Brandon Doman should donate money to build a bigger than
life sizestatue of James Lark and have in on a pedestal at the entrance of
the Lavel Edwards Stadium that says at it’s base,“James
Lark, We sincerely apologize to you for not recognizing your greatness and
sitting you on the bench for all four of your seasons except for the New Mexico
State game and thePoinsetta Bowl in season 2012. You were fantastic in
both of those games you played in. They were the two best games of the season.
Duck,As I suspected, we are commenting from absolutely different
perspectives. I cannot disagree with you at all regarding starters or non
starters. If that is your point, no agreement from me. My point is there
are issues behind the decision that warrant an apology. James is polite when he
says things like he was"frustrated" and has had a few sleepless nights.
He is the consummate gentleman. How he has been treated, not where he has been
seeded, is where an apology is warranted.
@AmorphousTwo things about that, one being I don't think
Mendenhall or Doman think they did make a mistake. For whatever reason I think
they really do think they went with the right guy. So as a coach, when you
choose who it is you are going to start do you apologize to the ones you
don't start? Why would you? I sure don't. It is called competition and
if in the mind of the coaches one guy won the comeptition then why would they
apologize? It really makes no sense to even suggest that they do.Secondly do you think they should also apologize to every other player on the
team that they decided was not going to be their starter at a given position?
Don't tell me that you do that because you don't. I certainly
don't. Anyone that is going to play competitive sports has to understand
that someone else may be better then they are, or that the coach who decides
such things may think someone else is better. Saying a coach should
apologize for making those decisions is ridiculous.
Duckhunter?So, coaches can make mistakes but are above apologies? First,
you have no idea what James has been through in life and now at the hands of
these coaches. I don't know that Elk Hair does either, but I do, and an
apology is absolutely in order, at the very least. Fender is right, though. It
is too little, too late, even if James does get the start in the bowl game. I have also coached for many years and no one has ever questioned my ability
nor my manhood when I have approached a player who was the object of one of my
mistakes and apologized for it. Perhaps you meant something other than I am
taking from your comment. If so, I apologize. Otherwise, your approach is
worrisome. No one is above apologizing. And while they're at it,
they should apologize to Riley and the entire team, as Kokua says, for not being
mature enough as coaches to sit Riley down instead of asking him if he could go
week in and week out. Riley is a man and would never so "no".
Hey big red. How's that toilet bowl prep going. Oh wait that was the
Colorado game wasn't it.
Not sure about that title, I don't see how his patience paid off? He's
at the end of a career, never really got a fair shot, the guy is not without
skills, so how did he not get a shot with the troubles we had at quarterback. I
understand Taysom is the future but there was a chance for a magical season this
year, it was set up to get to a BCS bowl this year, the defense was definitely
good enough, and all we needed was a decent offense to win those games and with
the inconsistant play at quarterback it doomed the season. There were too many
mistakes! But I don't know that patience paid off, yes I'm sure
he's learned a lot and will be a better person in many ways for it, but
with his career in football it didn't pay off sorry. All he's left
with is what the rest of us are left with, and that's what if. Nobody will
ever know if he had a chance where things would have ended, and sometimes
Getting all excited about a player who puts up big stats against the team that
ESPN had as being one of the three very worst in the entire country. Really?
And the title of the article "Patience pays off"? You mean,
after four years of riding the pine, it really may pay off for having played, at
the most, two games for your entire career? I'd say that Lark got the
royal shaft. Nothing redeeming in that.
Lark should start even with a healthy Nelson. its a blessing to have a QB hit
open receivers so take advantage of that coaches! I saw the BYU of old in the
NMS game and it was fun. Talk about returning to your roots, its starring you in
the face. I hope yall recognize it. Play the best players! i don't
understand why you dont see this in practices. Taysom Hill is better than
Nelson. Because Nelson is a senior and has grit, leadership, and plays hurt
(this hurt the team this year) he gets to start? dosen't make sence when
other QB's are better at the QB skill. we have great receivers and need a
QB to deliver the ball.
Could play in to a mid round draft pick if he's awesome in this game.
Sorry, I really don't see how his patience has paid off...at least from a
football perspective. He should have been the starter last year.
It is hindsight now to say but Riley only played badly because of injury. He did
time and time again. It is too bad Lark was set aside and Taysom was put in and
injured. Lark's timing is now perhaps and now he can shine. What if he had
played and injured like Hill was early after in his first game. I admire Lark
for what he learned on his mission. He learned patience and did not give up!
Thanks for hanging in there, buddy. Your future has promise. Buena Suerte!!
If Lark does not start, it may be because of the fear the coaches have of being
further "exposed". In the NM State game, Lark looked like the great BYU
quarterbbacks of the glory days. This year has been a waste of great receivers
(no one to deliver them the rock), and the best defense BYU has ever had.So the article states "Nelson is still nursing a sore rib" -
well, to me that is "code" for he is not, and will not be ready to start
in the bowl game. Since the coaches seem to be struggling in their decision
making, Riley Nelson should take the lead, go to Mendenhall and inform him that
Lark will start the game next week. This is a no brainer. The whole Cougar
nation is expecting to see Lark as the starter.
I don't know that an apology is "going too far", but it's
irrelevant at this point. The damage has been done, both to Lark's career
and to BYU's chances for an extraordinary season in 2012.
Mendenhall's decision-making in this case has proven to be quite flawed in
this case and there may be consequences for him and his OC and QB coach, but an
apology means little at this point and changes nothing.A more
effective and meaningful response would be giving Lark the start in the bowl,
and I'm pretty sure that's going to happen.
James is more then you ever will know, far more then a quarter back. James
career at BYU will go down as the great " Could a, Would a, should a "
season of what if only the coaching staff let him play earlier in the season ? I
am so happy for James.I hope the coaching staff has the courage to
acknowledge that Riley will not be able to go in the bowl game because of his
season long injury of a broken back and broken ribs that he has suffered and
played with since the middle of the Weber State game. Why do we not
hear the real reason here ? I can answer, it will make them look bad. The
tragedy of the 2012 season was completely avoidable. James was passed over in
the BSU game and then again, and again, and again until the NMS game.It is sad the coach's do not own up to the poor decisions instead of
blaming the season on Riley and his long hair and the curse words udder ed in
the heat of the game, shame on you Brandon.
James Lark could be the LAST QB to win a bowl game in college football on the
20th. The next day, Dec. 21 the world ends... Or Riley could be the last QB to
@Elk HairThat is simply going to far. While I definately think Doman
and Mendenhall made a massive mistake by sticking with Nelson claiming they owe
Lark, or anyone else for that matter, and apology is just not correct.I am a football coach and the fact is coaches have to make decisions based on
what we feel is best. Many times we are wrong, completely wrong, and choose the
wrong player, or the wrong play, or whatever. But that does not mean they owe
anyone else an apology for doing so. I think the criticism of them
both is fair, I've been criticizing them for this as well, but calling for
apologies is to much. Remember this is their jobs and they will be called out
for thier results. If their results a bad enough they will lose their jobs.
I'm guessing neither of them wants to be unemployed so they probably made
decisions they though were best. In sports there are always going to
be starters and no nstarters and coaches making those decisions. We can second
guess them but calling them out to apologize is going to far.
Lark is told he is one snap from starting after working for 4 years for the
opportunity.When the "one snap" happens (Riley is injured),
the same coaching staff that told him he was one snap away decide to go with a
freshman (that had originally chosen Stanford over BYU).Go figure.
Where is the Loyalty, Integrity, and Decency in that? Who cares if he stinks
(which he obviously does not) at that point in this season he deserved a
shot.As a BYU fan I think Lark deserves something decent, an
Lark! Lark! Lark!
Doman pleased? Sounds strange. After all, it's all about Riley. Riley
cannot play poorly enough to be benched.
Tremendous young man, a giant of a man. I too am so happy for him. One of life's lessons he's probably learned is that God can turn all
things to our good if we will let Him. I hope I get to hear that part of his
story, when everything snaps into focus and it suddenly all makes sense. Maybe this week.
Irony would be an NFL team taking a flyer on James Lark and having him carve out
a career for himself. I think he has talent and the NFL is willing to give
talent a try. I just hope it isn't the Raiders.