Former Ogden family loses daughter in school shooting

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  • Free Agency Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    I'd like to counter the argument that "we need God in our schools" in order to prevent such horrible tragedies. By "God," I assume these people mean the Judeo-Christian version of God.

    I'm a secular Jew who does not believe in *that* version of God. But I do believe in God: a God of Light, of Love, of Creativity and Compassion. You can't scare kids (or anyone else) into being "good" because a judgmental God is looking down on you. You can only *model* what goodness and love are with your own life, and hope children (and everyone else) picks up on it.

    If "God" had remained in the schools, can anyone honestly think that Adam Lanza would have said, "I'd better not kill anyone"?

    I, too, deplore our violent, coarse, cheap-sex culture--and it wasn't the Judeo-Christian God who makes me feel that way. It's the loving energy of the God within me that makes me feel that way.

    In short, we can talk about God in schools, but we must not--and cannot--*impose* God on anyone. Doing so will not prevent these tragedies.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    Mugabe. There have been nunerous reports of the perpetrator having mental problems. I am not anti-gun. I juat wish there was a way to keep firearms out of the hands of those who are a danger to themselves and others. I don't think Adam was an evil person. I think we was most likely in serious need of help. I agree with many of the posters on here. The discussion should be about mental health and how we as a nation can more effectively find ways to help those who desperately need outside intervention.

    Dec. 15, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    This is just one more example of why automatic and semi-automatic weapons should NOT be in the possession of anyone but the military and law enforcement where the weapons are kept secure when not in use by skilled, trained persons with a "NEED to use".

  • Archie1954 Vancouver, BC
    Dec. 15, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    The anger and sorrow that welled up in me when I read the horrific story of the deaths of these innocent children was exacerbated by the number of gun lovers, who cynically relegate these children to the collateral damage category necessary for freedom US style. This same moral degeneracy is evidenced by the US government's treatment of the deaths of innocent little children in the Middle East, killed by US bombs. They too are relegated to the collateral damage category required for freedom at the end of a gun.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 15, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    This only happened yesterday and yet the news media seems to know everything about everyone. Don't take what they are saying at face value. Give some time to sort through things. Judging circumstances without solid evidence will leave a stain on all of us that can't be taken away. That which is printed suddenly becomes "gospel" and will be drug out over and over as proof of something that someone wishes to prove. This is why the government seals documents for 50 years - to give people time to find facts not emotions.

    God bless all of you at this terrible time. As caustic as it may seem of me to say it, I pity Adam, his family, and friends more than those who have lost loved ones because he pulled the trigger. I so appreciate the words of the gentleman who said "the strength of faith will outlast and outshine the tragedy." May that be so, I pray as I remember the actions of the Amish people who lost children in similar circumstances.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 10:21 a.m.


    No, the principle came running when she heard shots and was gunned down. The killer by-passed the door and shot out a window to gain entry.

    We don't know enough about the rest of the events to judge the police response yet. Maybe this is a time to focus on the victims and families and wait for more information before pointing fingers.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Dec. 15, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Very very sad.
    I might add something that also disturbed me greatly.
    The national news people were interviewing 2-3 graders live about what they experienced.
    I find that completely uncalled for, and fines by the FCC should be served.
    2 more thoughts.
    States need to reboot there mental health hospitals that have been severally short changed the last 30 years.
    Then, they need to invoke the capital punishment for murder 1.

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    The New York Times reported the attack lasted from 9:30 to 10:30 AM. Police should have been on the scene within five minutes, the way they were when Trolley Square shopping center was attacked in Salt Lake and stopped the attack, and then killed the murderer. I suspect that the police in that community have some responsibility for the scale of this event.

    The Times also reported that the school had a security system that locked the doors and that the principal buzzed in the attacker because she recognized him as the son of one of her teachers.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    As a fellow Utahn and member of the same faith this hits a little closer to home.

    I'm grateful for the knowledge we share of God's plan for his children. May it bring peace and comfort to this family and others at this time.

  • mrichard Ogden, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    The further our progressive culture slides away from God, substituting mothers with daycare, nuclear families with single parent homes, contraception for virtue, traditional god-fearing values for pop culture, the more we can come to expect these tragedies--no legislation, social program, or glib insights from professional psychiatrists is going to change this trend. Until then, we are only hacking at the limbs, leaving the root cause restlessly unattended in the dry dirt of so-called progressive enlightenment.

  • Mugabe ACWORTH, GA
    Dec. 15, 2012 6:01 a.m.

    Freedomforthepeople: There is no evidence that Adam had any disorder. His Mother and Father are both responsible people, if Adam had any problems of the sort, they would have gotten him some help.

    If what you suggest is implemented, who will decide who is fit for society or not? And how do you know that you do not fit the mold? It's dangerous when we start speculating because we want answers, we can do more harm than good. This is a tragic situation, but I think that we need to hold our opinions concerning the mental condition of the shooter. No respectable Dr. should be making diagnosis when they have not been involved in treatment for Adam. And there is no record of him ever being treated for any mental health condition.

    Those precious little children are in the arms of the Savior.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    Oh man, speechless. Prayers and thoughts go out to all of the victims.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:24 p.m.

    I second that we need to take better care of the mental illness. And I think it goes farther than that in that a great deal of this nation's supposed "sane" population think of guns and thier threat of violence as a solution to thier problems.

    If the sane believe guns and thier threat of violence are a solution to many of our common problems how in the world do we suppose that a mentally ill person would not think it's perfectly logical to have and use guns for his problem? !

    I've heard from Huckabee that we need more "GOD" in school to solve this.

    If god is in your heart how could he NOT be in the schools?
    If God is not in schools then he is not really in your hearts.

  • freedomforthepeople Sandy, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    Very often people with personality disorders are not safe to themselves and others and need to be institutionalized, perhaps for their lifetime. There is very little medication that impacts it and therapy is ineffective.

    We must reinstitute our state institutions for mental illness and reinstate laws that allow for people to be committed against their will. We will continue to see these types of mass slayings if we continue to refuse to accept that our move to close down the mental institutions came at a great price and one that we are unwilling to continue to pay.

    Yes, this will require money and the taxpayers will have to pay it. Let's replace 30% of our food stamps and use the funds to open mental hospitals. It would be money better spent. Americans are obese, not hungry. And those that are can get help from many places in the community where they can be held accountable for the charity they receive.

    But families with members who are severely mentally ill cannot get help and their loved ones often harm themselves or others.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    Thoughts and prayers go out to the Parker family, and all the others traumatized by this senseless act of evil.

    There can be no justification or excuse for this incident, and the full responsibility rests with the despicable creature who killed these innocent children.

    May God bless you all.