UHSAA committee proposes changing its rules to deal with ineligible players

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  • UtahCountyFootball PROVO, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    @UCAggie I am sure all the TV Bird's are worried about the amount of respect you have for Provo over them. And are you serious? “If I were a college coach, I would certainly take into consideration if a student-Athlete had the character to stay home and help build a program rather than take the easy out and transfer to a winning program." College coaches are like car salesmen they bail for the next best thing all the time. Here is the deal the building character and building a program argument is old and worn out. Timpview is a great place and due to open enrolment kids i.e. Provo basketball are able to take advantage of its resources. If you have issues with that contact your local state representative and change the law until then don’t question the integrity of the Timpview kids.

  • UCAggie OREM, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    Sofa – Wouldn’t it be more character building for a lifetime if a student athlete stayed home and played where he/she lived...helped build a program than just transfer to the "good" team. I like to believe HS athletics teaches many lessons and many of these lessons are lost on those that transfer. If a player is good enough the D1 schools will find him/her. If I were a college coach, I would certainly take into consideration if a student-Athlete had the character to stay home and help build a program rather than take the easy out and transfer to a winning program. HS athletics is about learning lessons and building character that will last a lifetime. I have much more respect for a Provo FB player who battled through tough times than a TV Bird who quickly left home when times got tough.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    The USHAA is a JOKE! What is with having some schools play 3A football and then every other sport 2A? Delta has won more wrestling championships then anyother school. They have 2 full middle school wrestling teams, and high school teams. Honestly they compete with 4A and 5A schools and win! Why Have schools that are split? This is the worst joke of all. Make sure the smaller 2A schools, have no chance to win anything at all!

  • Bruzzer Ogden, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    Open enrollment does not make it fair for every one thats just a way for getting and advantage

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Any chance we could get a report on the other things the committee talked about? Like what the said regarding private/boarding schools?

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    Another point about Timpview, and NO my kids did not go there, it was about Coach Wong. He built a great program and go his kids University attention. The best kids wanted the best chance and best coach, thats not hard to understand is it?

    If you had a son that truly had D1 talent, would you want them to go play at Timpview, to give them the best chance at the next level, or Pleasant Grove with sub par coaching and a staff that did not promote its kids?

    I have very specific examples of both but they would never be printed by the des news.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    My point was open enrollment was not created for or because of sports. It was created to keep already built schools full of students.
    Timpview for example is a land locked school with no new construction within its boundaries and in an area that few young families can afford to live, so without open enrollment it would be a waste of money to have a half empty school and overcrowding at other schools.
    That does not mean that most everyone now uses the loophole for sports, I know that is the case.
    All that has to happen is to tighten and enforce the rules.
    I am fine for kids to transfer for sports, they just need to decide before their high school career starts and go to an open enrollment school. But after that, they are locked in, unless they make a legitimate move into another schools bounds.

    Its not that hard, it just needs enforcement!

  • ManuSamoa Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    UHSAA is a joke!
    Nice try Mr. Hammer. No one is buying your "buffalo bagels" and spin. When the difference in dishing out punishment is "may" and "shall" we can know that incompetent people are "running the show"! Why don't they just do what is right!
    What's worse, these aren't elected officials; some "jimmy" somewhere must have thought that these "jimmies" were the best candidates for the job. So we can't even vote them out. Stinking politics and politicians! Somehow, these "jimmies" even got paid to make those horrible decisions...there go my tax dollars again! The executive director makes six figures!
    UHSAA made some big mistakes and still have not taken responsibility. Way to set an example UHSAA! No wonder the timpview, east, and "others" cheat.
    When did the tears and whining of the few cheaters, become more significant and powerful than the honesty and integrity of the many!?

  • jakebirdy Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:22 a.m.


    Open enrollment has nothing to do with sports in the high school? It's about filling a school to capacity? It's unfortunate if such a naive perspective guides the understanding of such a complicated subject for some. It's this "sheep" mentality that hinders any change on real issues in this state. Come down off of the hill and commiserate with the regular folks in the valley and I will show you how open enrollment has everything to do with high school sports.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Open enrollment has nothing to do with sports folks... its all about filling a school to capacity.
    Parents/Athletes just use the open enrollment... a loophole if you will.

    Open enrollment will not go away.

    Tighten the rules and then make everyone abide by them!

    Don't bow down to tears or litigation, ie East and the CaveKnight.

    UHSAA is a laughing stock, take the opportunity to change perspective UHSAA.

  • jakebirdy Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    The fact of the matter is Timpview guts Provo's and others programs every year because of open enrollment. Open enrollment creates a system where the name of the game now is to collect as many D1 kids on one team as possible which essentially creates dynasties. How can the media constantly talk about how it's for "the kids"? What about all the kids who do not get to compete on a level playing field every year?

    The message conveyed to our kids is a "win at all costs" mentality. Sadly, it's not the UHSAA. The state legislature endorses open enrollment. In the beginning it was about academics (or was it?) but we all know that the majority of student-athletes are not switching schools for academic reasons. Our lawmakers have created a system where rich schools get richer and the poor schools continue to struggle.

    It's ironic how the article mentioned other states handling of high school athletics yet nothing was mentioned about the real problem of open enrollment. The media here has blinders on and endorsing teams like the Timpview all stars is a joke. Playing where you live should be celebrated and encouraged.

  • UtahCountyFootball PROVO, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 7:06 a.m.

    Herriman should of just taken care of business on the field and not play the victim card.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Thanks UHSAA...but why couldn't you have done this 2 months ago???


    Herriman High Football

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Yes, they would be eligible to play after sitting out a year, or if their family moved into the boundaries, then they would be eligible as soon as the move is verified. Currently a player is much more likely to transfer or enroll in an out of boundary school because they know they won't have to sit out a year. This would make the athlete consider if it really is worth it or not.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    I like your rule #1.. By followng rule#1, it would really negates rule number two....

    I assuming that after the year off, they would be eligiable to play the year after.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    The only 2 rules need to be:
    Rule 1: If a player enrolles in a school outside of where they live, they lose a full year of athletic eligibility in all sports. If the family moves into that school's boundary, they would then be eligible to participate. The school's athletic director and administration would be responsible for making sure all participants live in the school boundaries(that is how it is supposed to be already, but it obviously is not working).
    Rule 2: No appeals for any reason.
    These 2 rules would help reduce the number of ineligible athletes and help to level the playing field for all schools. Otherwise, they should have a seperate classification for schools who have more than 10% of their athletes outside of their boundaries, then the other schools who play by the rules don't have to compete against all-star teams.

  • RobertSailing Orem, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    The UHSSA is a JOKE!

  • Concerned for HS Football Murray, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    The rules will be what UHSSA want them to be. This was obvious this fall when they let hundreds of players down from several teams during the football playoffs. At lease East was able to play. After all they 'worked really hard and deserved it.'

    Forget all the rule changes>>> how about competence. Nice job UHSAA! You've done it again, let's try to fix what we weren't competent enough to fix the first time. It's a little late.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    I love it when organizations passes rules as "one rule fits all situations".

    If they really wanted to fix the problem they would CHANGE the way a player verifies their eligiability.

    In the East cases, at least two of them thought they were following the rules, only to find out the AD misunderstood the direction...

    change the process of eligiability...

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    "We got more done today than I ever thought we could," said Hammer.

    It's amazing what a committe can accomplish when they meet and discuss issues in a room and not the 'tee box'.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 7:00 a.m.

    They can make/change whatever rules they want... they RARELY follow them!