@UCAggie I am sure all the TV Bird's are worried about the amount of
respect you have for Provo over them. And are you serious? “If I were a
college coach, I would certainly take into consideration if a student-Athlete
had the character to stay home and help build a program rather than take the
easy out and transfer to a winning program." College coaches are like car
salesmen they bail for the next best thing all the time. Here is the deal the
building character and building a program argument is old and worn out. Timpview
is a great place and due to open enrolment kids i.e. Provo basketball are able
to take advantage of its resources. If you have issues with that contact your
local state representative and change the law until then don’t question
the integrity of the Timpview kids.
Sofa – Wouldn’t it be more character building for a lifetime if a
student athlete stayed home and played where he/she lived...helped build a
program than just transfer to the "good" team. I like to believe HS
athletics teaches many lessons and many of these lessons are lost on those that
transfer. If a player is good enough the D1 schools will find him/her. If I
were a college coach, I would certainly take into consideration if a
student-Athlete had the character to stay home and help build a program rather
than take the easy out and transfer to a winning program. HS athletics is about
learning lessons and building character that will last a lifetime. I have much
more respect for a Provo FB player who battled through tough times than a TV
Bird who quickly left home when times got tough.
The USHAA is a JOKE! What is with having some schools play 3A football and then
every other sport 2A? Delta has won more wrestling championships then anyother
school. They have 2 full middle school wrestling teams, and high school teams.
Honestly they compete with 4A and 5A schools and win! Why Have schools that are
split? This is the worst joke of all. Make sure the smaller 2A schools, have no
chance to win anything at all!
Open enrollment does not make it fair for every one thats just a way for getting
Any chance we could get a report on the other things the committee talked about?
Like what the said regarding private/boarding schools?
Another point about Timpview, and NO my kids did not go there, it was about
Coach Wong. He built a great program and go his kids University attention. The
best kids wanted the best chance and best coach, thats not hard to understand is
it?If you had a son that truly had D1 talent, would you want them to
go play at Timpview, to give them the best chance at the next level, or Pleasant
Grove with sub par coaching and a staff that did not promote its kids?I have very specific examples of both but they would never be printed by the
@jakebirdyMy point was open enrollment was not created for or because of
sports. It was created to keep already built schools full of students.Timpview for example is a land locked school with no new construction within
its boundaries and in an area that few young families can afford to live, so
without open enrollment it would be a waste of money to have a half empty school
and overcrowding at other schools.That does not mean that most everyone
now uses the loophole for sports, I know that is the case.All that has to
happen is to tighten and enforce the rules.I am fine for kids to transfer
for sports, they just need to decide before their high school career starts and
go to an open enrollment school. But after that, they are locked in, unless they
make a legitimate move into another schools bounds.Its not that
hard, it just needs enforcement!
UHSAA is a joke!Nice try Mr. Hammer. No one is buying your "buffalo
bagels" and spin. When the difference in dishing out punishment is
"may" and "shall" we can know that incompetent people are
"running the show"! Why don't they just do what is right! What's worse, these aren't elected officials; some "jimmy"
somewhere must have thought that these "jimmies" were the best
candidates for the job. So we can't even vote them out. Stinking politics
and politicians! Somehow, these "jimmies" even got paid to make those
horrible decisions...there go my tax dollars again! The executive director
makes six figures!UHSAA made some big mistakes and still have not taken
responsibility. Way to set an example UHSAA! No wonder the timpview, east, and
"others" cheat.When did the tears and whining of the few cheaters,
become more significant and powerful than the honesty and integrity of the
Seriously?Open enrollment has nothing to do with sports in the high
school? It's about filling a school to capacity? It's unfortunate if
such a naive perspective guides the understanding of such a complicated subject
for some. It's this "sheep" mentality that hinders any change on
real issues in this state. Come down off of the hill and commiserate with the
regular folks in the valley and I will show you how open enrollment has
everything to do with high school sports.
Open enrollment has nothing to do with sports folks... its all about filling a
school to capacity.Parents/Athletes just use the open enrollment... a
loophole if you will.Open enrollment will not go away.Tighten the rules and then make everyone abide by them!Don't
bow down to tears or litigation, ie East and the CaveKnight.UHSAA is
a laughing stock, take the opportunity to change perspective UHSAA.
The fact of the matter is Timpview guts Provo's and others programs every
year because of open enrollment. Open enrollment creates a system where the name
of the game now is to collect as many D1 kids on one team as possible which
essentially creates dynasties. How can the media constantly talk about how
it's for "the kids"? What about all the kids who do not get to
compete on a level playing field every year?The message conveyed to
our kids is a "win at all costs" mentality. Sadly, it's not the
UHSAA. The state legislature endorses open enrollment. In the beginning it was
about academics (or was it?) but we all know that the majority of
student-athletes are not switching schools for academic reasons. Our lawmakers
have created a system where rich schools get richer and the poor schools
continue to struggle.It's ironic how the article mentioned
other states handling of high school athletics yet nothing was mentioned about
the real problem of open enrollment. The media here has blinders on and
endorsing teams like the Timpview all stars is a joke. Playing where you live
should be celebrated and encouraged.
Herriman should of just taken care of business on the field and not play the
Thanks UHSAA...but why couldn't you have done this 2 months ago???Signed,Herriman High Football
Yes, they would be eligible to play after sitting out a year, or if their family
moved into the boundaries, then they would be eligible as soon as the move is
verified. Currently a player is much more likely to transfer or enroll in an
out of boundary school because they know they won't have to sit out a year.
This would make the athlete consider if it really is worth it or not.
Pack,I like your rule #1.. By followng rule#1, it would really negates
rule number two....I assuming that after the year off, they would be
eligiable to play the year after.
The only 2 rules need to be:Rule 1: If a player enrolles in a school
outside of where they live, they lose a full year of athletic eligibility in all
sports. If the family moves into that school's boundary, they would then
be eligible to participate. The school's athletic director and
administration would be responsible for making sure all participants live in the
school boundaries(that is how it is supposed to be already, but it obviously is
not working).Rule 2: No appeals for any reason.These 2 rules would
help reduce the number of ineligible athletes and help to level the playing
field for all schools. Otherwise, they should have a seperate classification for
schools who have more than 10% of their athletes outside of their boundaries,
then the other schools who play by the rules don't have to compete against
The UHSSA is a JOKE!
The rules will be what UHSSA want them to be. This was obvious this fall when
they let hundreds of players down from several teams during the football
playoffs. At lease East was able to play. After all they 'worked really
hard and deserved it.' Forget all the rule
changes>>> how about competence. Nice job UHSAA! You've done
it again, let's try to fix what we weren't competent enough to fix the
first time. It's a little late.
I love it when organizations passes rules as "one rule fits all
situations".If they really wanted to fix the problem they would
CHANGE the way a player verifies their eligiability.In the East
cases, at least two of them thought they were following the rules, only to find
out the AD misunderstood the direction...change the process of
"We got more done today than I ever thought we could," said Hammer.It's amazing what a committe can accomplish when they meet and
discuss issues in a room and not the 'tee box'.
They can make/change whatever rules they want... they RARELY follow them!