Route change leaves some UTA riders stranded

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  • Homeron Morgan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Frontrunner has been a nightmare this week. Frontrunner was 10 minutes late this morning, which made on time connections to TRAX imposable. Then it was eighteen minute wait for TRAX to move. I am sure UTA will explain to employers that it is their fault we are so late for work every day. I wouldn’t complain if Frontrunner had these problems all the time. But 99% of the time it runs great but if this new line addition is any indication of the future of frontrunner all daily commuters will stop using it. So I am back to driving to Salt Lake instead of taking the train. I will use the $200.00 a month for gas instead of funding UTA’s failed project. UTA your expansion is a big FAIL I can wait to see how smooth it is as you move farther South and North with new lines.

  • trapdinutah South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    UTA mantra: "If it's not on rails, who needs it?" UTA: Utah Train Authority

  • HighlandsHome Highland, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    Here's something to think about. The UTA route 807 used to run from the Highland\Cedar Hills area to SLC 4X a day (twice in the morning, twice in the afternoon) and was packed to capacity with people standing. Now the route takes people to Thanksgiving point which is admittedly shorter, but it runs 4X in the morning and 4X in the afternoon. It would be interesting to see how many miles - if any - UTA saved by changing the 807 route. My guess is that it is almost the same number of miles but probably 1-2 more drivers. I would guess that the 807 costs more to run now than before but now it only serves a very small handful of people. I saw 8 people on the bus yesterday. The rest have started driving because they cant handle the 45-60 minutes added to their commute each way. I'll start driving on Monday myself. So the UTA hasn't likely saved any money with the route change but they now serve fewer people and have forced more people to drive. Seems like a problem to me, but I dont make $200k a year, so what do I know?

  • SittingReading Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    You want some cost saving ideas. I have a few.

    1. Get rid of this gray area that claims that UTA is neither a private nor public institution. Having a private group able to use state tax dollars is wasteful.

    2. Get rid of free fare zones that appear to be useless to people who could use them. Having the trax free from Courthouse to SL center is dumb.

    3. Pay attention to commuters. Find out what they need. Sporting events will drawn revenue regardless of if you increase number of buses/trains.

    4. Realize that we are one long valley. Have Ogden and Provo hubs so that you can delegate the needs.

    5. Don't allow the man in charge to receive 200k for the rest of his life when he really didn't improve the situation.

  • Z South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    I'm not sure why UTA even bothered to run the 811 on Sundays since it doesn't connect to any bus service in Orem and Provo anymore, and doesn't extend down into Provo now. The route used to run all the way down through Provo. Recently it was shortened to terminate near BYU. Now it stops at UVU.

    Come on, UTA, use some sense. That routing may work on weekdays, but on Sundays there are no other connections, and most riders would be trying to get INTO town. Most of the cost of the route is the driver and the 35 miles from Sandy, not the 5 miles into Provo. Make a Sunday routing for this bus that makes sense.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 6:40 a.m.

    We better get used to it, the state of Utah and UTA has built us an unsustainable white elephant transpiration system we can't keep in operation or pay for by passenger fares. UTA was shut down and disbanded in the 1950's because it was not sustainable and feasible tax/private funded operation required to pay investor dividends.

    UTA and TRAX was supposed to be an independent self sustaining transportation system that a small tax fund and passenger use would sustain, but without any more federal funding loss of revenue they hoped to inspire has put this program into a declining and unsustainable program.

    The UTA//TRAX system has been a pipe dream with only one purpose, move workers from urban cities to downtown with no thought or consideration of lean use periods when people go shopping, to doctors, and doing consumer duties. UTA will treat basketball games with spectral service that is not cost effective because of overtime and manpower needs and its losing money for them. This public transportation system in Utah single purpose construction and operation has become its downfall.

  • Thoughtful Voter Spanish Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    There are many stories far more compelling than a couple weekend bus runs stopping a little short. By and large the majority of commuter travel times were at least *doubled* by the recent changes by UTA management. It's nice for the community to have a mass transit bus to get to Jazz games and BYU games I guess, but 95% of the ridership is commuter. Those commuters are trying to figure out what to do now that their 2 hours a day commuting has been unceremoniously transformed into 4 hours a day commuting with dangerous rail crossings and other unnecessary problems. I hope some of these more illustrative stories make it into the press. UTA certainly hasn't been interested in them.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    It is only 12 blocks. I have a hard time believing that the 12 blocks was that much of a strain on the budget. Once again, UTA lies and we the taxpayers have to pick up the tab. Keep digging DesNews. There is more to this story than what they are saying.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    Re-read the last 3 paragraphs of the article.

    It becomes obvious that UTA couldn't afford to run the choo-choo's, but they built them anyway.

    EVERY TIME they build a new rail line they take away more and more of the buses. Another article yesterday referenced UTA taking away some of the frontrunner trains to Ogden also.

    The 811 bus is one of the most heavily used going into Provo (and UVU). I can't imagine their thinking having it end at this odd location.

    Carpenter CLAIMS (from the article)that patron input resulted in those changes. I wonder: are those "surveys" on file so we can all see them anytime at UTA offices? Or did the guys with the 6 figure salaries make them up?

    Prediction: UTA will be coming to the taxpayers again within 2 yrs. to ask for more assigned tax revenue, or they'll eliminate bus travel almost entirely. They'll try raising the fares first.

    Trains are horrifically expensive to run. More than most people can imagine.

    But - the trains get the bosses a raise. Thats why we have trains.